Is it over for Novak and Rafa at the WTF ?

Will either Rafa or Novak win the WTF in the future ?

  • YES

    Votes: 11 25.6%
  • NO

    Votes: 13 30.2%
  • MAYBE

    Votes: 19 44.2%

  • Total voters
    43

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
Yesterday was probably their last chance to win this tournament.

Both had good chances, were within 3 and 4 points of advancing to the final, and both blew it by choking.

Especially Rafa.

Discuss.
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
If they were both within a few points from winning and moving to the final, why would you think it is their last chance to win this tournament? There are many good hard court players like Thiem, Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas who will be tough to beat at the ATP Finals, but Novak and Rafa are perfectly capable to beating them while in good form.

Since Rafa has never won this tournament and a fast, low-bouncing court is his least favorite surface, he might not have a great chance to win this tournament in the future. But, Novak is a 5-time winner and perfectly capable of winning again - remember that Federer won the AO twice in a row after a gap of seven years where he didn’t even make it to the final. However, Novak needs to find a way to again be more offensive from the baseline while being more consistent than he was this week. Otherwise, he will continue to be out-hit by the NextGen top players who also all have bigger first serves than him.
 

DSH

Legend
Neither Djokovic will tie Federer's record for WTF titles nor will Nadal win this elusive title he has yet to conquer.
Instead of going to Turin next year, they should play alongside the Swiss player, some matches in Helsinki.
:sneaky:
 

JoshuaPim

Semi-Pro
We don't know how fast Turin will be, but it's looking unlikely for Nadal certainly. Djoke still has amazing flexibility in best of 3, but each year it's getting tougher. Fed 6 Djok 5 Nad 0 looks like the final score.
 

aditya123

Professional
I don't know with Novak. But Rafa dint make use of this golden opportunity in my opinion. Its going to be extremely difficult for Nadal to win it in the future
 

ibbi

Legend
Well, obviously as they get older and older the chances get smaller and smaller. The fact remains we're about to crown the 50th champion of this tournament, and only one of those 50 champions has been over 30. It is not an old mans tournament, even in this strange, shortened year. You'd figure if it was going to happen for the old dudes this was the year that it would.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
If they were both within a few points from winning and moving to the final, why would you think it is their last chance to win this tournament?
Because both are old and clearly showing their age. Nadal was barely standing at the end of the Medvedev match and he’ll be 35 years old next year. The event is obviously in his head and nerves crippled him. When was the last time Rafa served for the match, gets broken at love and goes on to lose?

Djokovic hasn’t won it in 5 years, the chances for him to add another title there are also small. The rest of the field improves while the oldsters decline physically and mentally. It’s irreversible.
 
Well, obviously as they get older and older the chances get smaller and smaller. The fact remains we're about to crown the 50th champion of this tournament, and only one of those 50 champions has been over 30. It is not an old mans tournament, even in this strange, shortened year. You'd figure if it was going to happen for the old dudes this was the year that it would.
51st :sneaky:
 
Djokovic only lost 7-6 in the 3rd in 3 hours against probably the best player in the world right now. Nadal served for the match on his worst surface against the player who just won Bercy and didn't drop a set in the other group.
Thiem and Medvedev are playing the best tennis they've ever played yet Djokovic and Nadal were only 3 points away from the win. 4-0 in the tie-break, 6.3 5.4 for Nadal, the final could've been Djokodal it'd be the same thing lol.

No, this isn't over. If/when Djokodal meet Thiem, Medvedev, Zverev or Tsitsipas in slams next year, they'll still be favorites. Djokovic will be at the AO and Wimbledon and Nadal for the FO.
 

caesar66

Professional
No, it’s not over for two guys who won slams this year. It just means that the folks calling Thiem’s win at the USO illegitimate were proven wrong. True, both guys should have clinched, but they are far from done or washed up.
 

Boom-Boom

Hall of Fame
Well, obviously as they get older and older the chances get smaller and smaller. The fact remains we're about to crown the 50th champion of this tournament, and only one of those 50 champions has been over 30. It is not an old mans tournament, even in this strange, shortened year. You'd figure if it was going to happen for the old dudes this was the year that it would.
normal for the most competitive and difficult tennis tournament to win
 
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