GRASScaraz
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Sinner will be overtaken by ZVEREV in 2025
Is it Sinner's Year, Really?
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KingCarlitos
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Some paths are best not taken, Some words best not spoken…
GRASScaraz
Hall of Fame
I think AO 2024 will be the peak of Sinners career and he will regress to become a Dimitrov type player for the rest of his career
KingCarlitos
Hall of Fame
Nah, He will win a few more slams and will remain top 5 although I doubt he reaches double digit slams or even ATG status.
Too early still to say anything really. The Sinner game is world class but not every world class game has translated to all time greatness at the same time.
He's still a disciplined kid. He should be alright theoretically.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
We saw the insane level he’s capable of from November 23 to early april 24.
Right now - injuries and fatigue might be catching up to him. But everyone on tour who’s made deep runs at slams and tourneys feel it. Some have been injured to start the season with very little to no rest bc they have points to defend. My take on injuries is if it’s bad enough to withdraw from tourneys you have 500-2000 points to defend : you should not lose points up to 3 tournments in that year.
What I am not liking about sinner is - after losing to Andre Rublev : he continued to grab his hip. Apparently it didn’t bother him all grass season nor Roland Garros. But it’s back?
Maybe it is. And I do like sinner. But he always will show respect to his opponent when they win then folllow it up with “I was sick before the match” , no sleep or some new injury excuse. I don’t like it bc not everyone will sleep well consistently, be feeling great every day to play high level tennis, or be 100% free of injury.
Sometimes I think jannik makes smaller injuries that most can play through bigger than they are bc he’s losing.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
So basically if Djokovic wins the USO and any of the two remaining masters follow up he officially has more succesful season than Sinner, reaching two slam finals, winning one of them, reaching SF and QF of the other two, winning OG and at least one masters...
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
I think he’s over selling his health issues too as an excuse when losing matches. The hype was through the roof bc of the level he displayed earlier this year winning AO, Miami, and Rotterdam running through both draws with ease (minus the AO 5 set final). I mean Miami he just whooped through everyone.Sinner's health does seem fragile at the moment. Doesn't bode well for his future career!
Now he’s displaying a level that’s beatable by top 10 folks.
I can’t see him being the favorite going into USO. I put him 4th right now behind Carlos, Novak and Daniil.
Racquet_smash
Professional
Sinner was clearly the best player in the world until March, then his injury issues kicked in.
This guy should probably take a tought about his staff, this is ridicoulus.
This guy should probably take a tought about his staff, this is ridicoulus.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Yep! Don’t forget about the WTF too which he’s always the biggest threat at!
Hope he gets better but what looks like a tendency to immediately cite injuries during a loss/break of serve is a little off-putting.
Regardless, he's truly a formidable force when fully fit and doesn't seemingly resort to "body not well" during losses of momentum.
May he have his fire reignited.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Well, he played on even with the injury. Should be given credit for that.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Looks like missing a lot of context.
Only 2 cent troll army said he will win every single thing.
He won 1 slam 1 masters and 2 500s till now. While flopping everywhere else. Improvement over 2022 already.
Only 2 cent troll army said he will win every single thing.
He won 1 slam 1 masters and 2 500s till now. While flopping everywhere else. Improvement over 2022 already.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Yeah I mean the guy is having a great season.
People got too hyped from his level earlier. Honestly I was quite impressed bc he displayed pure dominate level tennis.
However my concern is there’s always some excuse and he always needs to let you know about it. Not cool.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Yes but he has many more titles to win in 2024.
I think he is entering his prime just now. He has not developed physically until this year. And probably will get fitter from here.
GloW
Professional
dking vs grasscaraz 10 match h2h @RS
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Rublev is great at punishing overhyped young stars. I remember he outlasted Rune at MC23 after being down 4-1 and that match absolutely exposed Rune
Having said that, yes, been saying this. Sinner had a great start to the season but the summer has belonged to the three guys who medaled at the Olympics
Tallawah Tennis
Semi-Pro
Man, these players work hard/do their best. Carlitos lost momentum after Wimbly 2023, Jannik for the last few months. Expecting permanent success is stupidity. If fit, Jannik could re-group to dominate the remaining season, but insisting he will do so deserves the slap it gets.
Jannik's hard court success is excellent this year to date winning AO/ Rotterdam/Miami. Carlitos has won IW, so clearly behind Jannik on a review of hard court success so far. But this thread title asks " Is this Sinner's Year, Really?" What is the context? In thin air, it could be 'yes', because Jannik has done well, and improved his record. Juxtaposed to Carlitos, the answer is 'no' to date, The reasons include:
1. Carlitos has won the surface slam - the youngest player ever to do so. Proves his credentials across all surfaces at the highest level.
2. Carlitos has won the Channel Slam, the youngest player ever to do so. Shows his adaptability.
3. Carlitos has defended the Wimbly and IW titles this year. Jannik hasn't defended any and overall, I think Jannik has defended only Sofia, a 250 tournament. Already to date at age 21, Carlitos has defended Barcelona (500), Madrid( 1000) IW ( 1000) and Wimbly ( GS).
4. Carlitos was the youngest ever men's singles finalist at the Olympics, and hence the youngest to win silver.
Impressive not just for his success, but that Carlitos continues to make history.
Jannik's hard court success is excellent this year to date winning AO/ Rotterdam/Miami. Carlitos has won IW, so clearly behind Jannik on a review of hard court success so far. But this thread title asks " Is this Sinner's Year, Really?" What is the context? In thin air, it could be 'yes', because Jannik has done well, and improved his record. Juxtaposed to Carlitos, the answer is 'no' to date, The reasons include:
1. Carlitos has won the surface slam - the youngest player ever to do so. Proves his credentials across all surfaces at the highest level.
2. Carlitos has won the Channel Slam, the youngest player ever to do so. Shows his adaptability.
3. Carlitos has defended the Wimbly and IW titles this year. Jannik hasn't defended any and overall, I think Jannik has defended only Sofia, a 250 tournament. Already to date at age 21, Carlitos has defended Barcelona (500), Madrid( 1000) IW ( 1000) and Wimbly ( GS).
4. Carlitos was the youngest ever men's singles finalist at the Olympics, and hence the youngest to win silver.
Impressive not just for his success, but that Carlitos continues to make history.
_phantom
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travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
And dinner closed it with a df, so rubles couldn’t even celebrate.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
To be fair all of this is on us. The fans. They build these guys up because of the big3 consistent winning.
It will take another 5 years without them till people start realizing winning a few slams is insane and 10 is out of this world.
The big3 was special for a reason.
We were spoiled.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Big 3 won 12/14 slams in a decade
So 5 years later it's almost impossible anyone else has 10 slams except Carlos who started winning 3 years ago now. So that would be 8 years
Sinner started winning this year itself.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Neither will win the USO...momentum now is on Novak's side, he will be the one, even with all the recent health complications i still think he'll edge everyone out on Arthur Ashe!...all year he was falling behind until Olympics 2024...this is his turning point as i predict two next consecutive titles at the USO and Shanghai masters...however on indoors i think it will be someone else, who will shine, maybe Sinner will finally has his chance to close the year out properly, maybe it's Alcaraz or some strong indoor competitors of the past like Medvedev or Zverev...who knows...but i have Novak winning USO and Shanghai back-to-back...
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Yep. I see him taking the US title this year and going all out for Slams next year
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Nobody denied that he beat him, you're saying he had insane level that I have issue with. Insane high level doesn't requires 5 sets to beat Mugfoe lol.
Also, Sinner has been better on Harcourt in last 10 months and won way more tournaments than Carlos. How's Carlos better than Sinner on HC when Sinner has won way more tournaments in last 12 months ?? It's not trolling when I am giving you facts. Also if Sinner wins USO his year will be miles better than Carlos. I'll tag you when Sinner wins USO and AO back to back and then he will be just one slam behind. I hope you stick on ttw so i can show how wrong and naive you were,son!!
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NeutralFan
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Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, but they shouldn't be expected to win a bunch of slams. We expect them to do big3 level stuff, which is crazy.
We build them up too fast.
mtommer
Hall of Fame
Oh, there are excuses which is why I in fact do claim to be the best that never could. So take that!
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
But that is below ATG status
KingCarlitos
Hall of Fame
So what... ATG is a term and I doubt a 5 slam winner would care if he required 6 slams to be called an ATG.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
So Sinner who won slam at 22 won't win 6th? I am not sure but ok
Sinner is dominant number 1 at least till Wimbledon, so yeah I think he is going to be ATG
KingCarlitos
Hall of Fame
Safin won his first slam at 20, he ended up with 2…
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Safin is loser
His fans are losers as well because they think a guy drinking and partying is better than a guy with discipline
Sinner is never going to be such a mug
McGradey
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Tallawah Tennis
Semi-Pro
If I understand you, I see it differently. Supporting a talented player /assessing their abilities & achievements has nothing to do with the big 3.
If I think Carlitos / Jannik have the potential to achieve great results, it's because of that potential. I disagree the premise that the achievements of the big 3 cannot be matched / superseded, whilst fully accepting that it will take something very special for it to happen, and that we may not see it happening anytime soon. All records set a bar, and reaching that bar should be the aim of all who follow. Healthy aspirations should not be treated as an affront to the spectacular achievements of the big 3 / several other great players.
Expecting consistency / dedication / is natural, because the best prevalent players must aspire to remain great players and achieve more success. Their fans are entitled to anticipate good results from a talented player, fitness permitting. It doesn't require us to compare them to the big 3 or anyone else when expecting them to do well. It's exciting to witness the unfolding of a great career for young players developing their game. The constant refrain of 'they'll never match the big 3' is pointless/tedious, because as far as I can tell, no tennis fan underestimates their achievements.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
I can slightly agree with these sentiments.
However, not for Sinner. Carlos has shown and has actually achieved greatness. Now, I do not see him equaling the big3, nor does he have to in order to become something insanely special.
Sinner on the other hand has done nothing other than show signs of potential. His one slam is starting to look more like a fluke. Either way, expecting him to win more than 3-5 slams is ludicrous in my eyes. He might be more in the Med, Thiem, and Delpo category. Which by the way, deserves respect as they are slam winners.
Point is, words like potential, hope, could, if, etc. are all great, but expecting it is a completely different story.
That and we disagree massively about them reaching big 3 levels.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
That's like...3 different categories. You have Thiem, who beat Zverev for his title. Then you have Med, who beat Djokovic (at least a version of him), for his one title (and made it to three more finals). Then you have Delpo, who was tapped to be an amazing player but had some rotten luck. His record against the big 3 is far more impressive than the other two.
If Delpo had had Med's health or even Thiem's, we wouldn't be talking about them in the same sentence.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
It would be weird if Canada wasn't in chaos the week after the Olympics.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
I don’t think they belong in the same conversation if we’re being honest. Charlie is way ahead at this point.
zagor
Bionic Poster
He's way ahead overall career-wise but as far as this season is concerned, we'll see how the rest of the year (USO especially) unfolds. Things can change very quickly in tennis, TTW generally has a short-term memory.
What if SInner say wins USO and YEC and Carlos goes out early or is out because of injury or something? Not saying it's gonna happen or that I would even bet on it happening but it's a possibility.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Not his year as such, but most players on the tour would love to have had 1 final, 2 SF, and 2 QF in their last 5 tournaments.
Pretty decent for a guy whos been having issues this year.
Plus every tournament hes played in hes reached at least the QF stage, including all slams.
Hardly a bad year, although many expected better after Australia.
Pretty decent for a guy whos been having issues this year.
Plus every tournament hes played in hes reached at least the QF stage, including all slams.
Hardly a bad year, although many expected better after Australia.
Tallawah Tennis
Semi-Pro
Good to exchange views. No one can know for sure, man. When a player shows a spark of magic, it's exciting. I'm keeping an eye on Joao Fonseca too. Wishing good things for them, their future.
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