Is it time for Nadal to just play clay?

Steping on to a hard court doesn't seem to be doing to Spanish bull much good health wise. If he's going to prolong his career and win a few more slams maybe he should just stick to the mud...
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
I thought he withdrew due to an abdominal injury. That doesn't sound to me like surface-related but more like his all-out style of play and ageing. And if this is the case wouldn't clay worsen this condition?
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Steping on to a hard court doesn't seem to be doing to Spanish bull much good health wise. If he's going to prolong his career and win a few more slams maybe he should just stick to the mud...
Well the last times he stepped onto HC's he won a tournament and reached the SF of the other.
But yeah, he should quit as hes hopeless outwith clay :rolleyes:
 
I thought he withdrew due to an abdominal injury. That doesn't sound to me like surface-related but more like his all-out style of play and ageing. And if this is the case wouldn't clay worsen this condition?
Well he's having a lot of trouble with other stuff as well on hard court isn't he like his knees for example. Clay doesn't seem to set that off as much
 
More chance of winning on clay as its his natural surface. And he seems to not get injured as much playing on the clay. Knees, abdominal, hip, whatever... If he's going to stay injury free and win a few more slams. Skipping hard court completely doesn't seem like the worse idea ever
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
Steping on to a hard court doesn't seem to be doing to Spanish bull much good health wise. If he's going to prolong his career and win a few more slams maybe he should just stick to the mud...
He retired from both hardcourt GS this year, which should be a big alarm. At lease he should consider skipping one next year. Won't be an easy decision since he is still one of the favorites to win.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
He retired from both hardcourt GS this year, which should be a big alarm. At lease he should consider skipping one next year. Won't be an easy decision since he is still one of the favorites to win.
Those injuries could've occurred at Wimbledon or RG. It just happened to be in HC slams. I don't have any issues with the surface he plays on at this moment.
 
He retired from both hardcourt GS this year, which should be a big alarm. At lease he should consider skipping one next year. Won't be an easy decision since he is still one of the favorites to win.
Someone actually sees what I'm getting at... A tough decision but I think it would be wise decision.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
He retired from both hardcourt GS this year, which should be a big alarm. At lease he should consider skipping one next year. Won't be an easy decision since he is still one of the favorites to win.
In your dreams. If healthy, Nadal will never skip any Grand Slam tournament while he is a professional tennis player.

Also, you are making an overgeneralization. He only got injured in 2 GS tournaments in a row. Only 2. You can't conclude that just because he got injured in AO 2018 and USO 2018 he will always get injured in GS on hard courts from now on.
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
He may eventually skip slams, but I don't see it until atleast 2020, if ever. He most likely will skip them in his usual unplanned fashion if he does. Basically, whenever he skips one, he will find a reason that seems more justified. You can't get a flat tire everytime you're late for work. I believe him to a certain degree and that's about it. Something hurts somewhere or something is close to hurting or almost broken. He's not letting anything get in the way of the FO. Not even HC slams.
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
Nadal skipping the indoor season is nothing surprising.And also who cares if he plays indoors - he never does anything there anyway.I mean Federer in 2018 won more indoor HC titles than Nadal won in his whole career.One indoor HC title for Nadal during his whole career.So him playing at this part of the season wont make a lot of difference
 
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SuperSpinner

Semi-Pro
This is what happens to the body of an instrinsically 8 skill level player when he tries to keep pace with a 10 skill level player (no not Djokovic, he's a 9)
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
In your dreams. If healthy, Nadal will never skip any Grand Slam tournament while he is a professional tennis player.

Also, you are making an overgeneralization. He only got injured in 2 GS tournaments in a row. Only 2. You can't conclude that just because he got injured in AO 2018 and USO 2018 he will always get injured in GS on hard courts from now on.
They have been doing that for years, people want Nadal to be so much worse on HC than he actually is.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Outside the Slams I'd say he should largely play clay yes.

I'd say

Australian Open
Buenas Aires
Rio
Monte Carlo
Barcelona
Rome
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
Los Cabos
Us Open
Shanghai
WTF

Or something like that.
 
In your dreams. If healthy, Nadal will never skip any Grand Slam tournament while he is a professional tennis player.

Also, you are making an overgeneralization. He only got injured in 2 GS tournaments in a row. Only 2. You can't conclude that just because he got injured in AO 2018 and USO 2018 he will always get injured in GS on hard courts from now on.
Well I got a feeling about it! I think we will see him struggle a lot from now on in hard court grand slams.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
I think Nadal playing as much clay as he does plays a bigger part in his woes later in the season than playing a few matches on HC. While hard courts are the toughest on joints, grinding on clay isn't exactly a rest either. The accumulated stress on his body from playing too much is showing in all this constant onset of injuries he has to deal with. Nadal at his age and being prone to injuries needs a lot more rest than what he allows himself.

He and his team should be wiser and more conservative when planning the schedule. It's not just his tennis career that will be affected but his life after retirement as well.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Steping on to a hard court doesn't seem to be doing to Spanish bull much good health wise. If he's going to prolong his career and win a few more slams maybe he should just stick to the mud...
Taking a page from Fed's book to skip surfaces would probably give him some longevity, but Nadal is still competing so well on other surfaces it is a difficult trade off there. Especially with such a good run in Wimby.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Unlike Federer, neither Nadal nor Djokovic will ever skip a Grand Slam being healthy.
Federer stopped playing clay at 35. Why don't we wait till that age for Nadal and Djokovic before throwing dirt at Fed.

Are you worried that your constant prayers / wishes about both Rafa and Djoker crossing Fed in slam count is taking a hit ?
 
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TennisFan97068

Guest
Time for Nadal's retirement.
Next year at Rafa Nadal Open
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Federer stopped playing clay at 35. Why don't we wait till that age for Nadal and Djokovic before throwing dirt at Fed.

Are you worried that your constant prayers / wishes about both Rafa and Djoker crossing Fed in slam count is taking a hit ?
The only person in here doing damage control is you.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
what improvements
Starting with Wimbledon this year, that's an obvious improvement over everything since 2012 regardless of opponent (plus he did beat Delpo, and was probably one point away from beating Djokovic and winning Wimbledon).

But even more importantly, on HC since 2017 he's been very difficult to beat. AO 2017 doesn't need justification. Federer barely beat him, and he had a very tough SF and a decently tough road to the final overall. USO 2017 draw was weak sauce of course, but he still played great from the QF's or so until the end. And this year he didn't exactly lose to scrubs. It took Cilic and Delpo to take him out. And really it took a cumulative effort from all of Khachanov, Basilashvili, Thiem, and Delpo to defeat him at USO 2018.

And even at the AO he had the 4 hour match with Schwartzman before Cilic beat him. Certainly a marked improvement from 2015-2016.

More than that though, I just think he's being more aggressive than ever on HC, and that's the right way to play on HC. If you look at his early career he spun the serve in, even on HC and grass. He doesn't do that anymore. And now he looks to end more points early with the FH on HC. He didn't do that much in his early career. He might not be better than he was in 2008-2013 on a HC, but he's definitely better now than he was in 2015-16, and years like 2005-07 when he was more athletic, but he really didn't play the "right" way on a HC.
 
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lol - no AO quarter final, Wimby semi-final and a USO semi final and that is just this year. He'll be fine, I agree that he does need to start managing his schedule though. I would go:

AO
IW
Miami
Monte Carlo
Barcelona
Madrid
Rome
RG
Wimby
Hamburg (let's face it it's an easy 500 points for him)
Canada
USO
WTF
 

ak24alive

Legend
Why would he!?
Even when missing a big chunk on HCs, he is still having great results on it.
His schedule next year should be:
Brisbane
AO
IW
MC
No need for Barcelona. Enough is enough.
Madrid(should even skip this imo.)
Rome
RG
Wimbly
Canada
USO
Any one out of Vienna, Shanghai and Paris depending on the points he needs or if he is fit and rested enough.
WTF
 
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