Is it time for Rune for dump Patrick Mouratoglou and go for a serious coach ?

Is it time for Rune to dump Patrick Mouratoglou and go for a serious coach ?

  • Yes, dump Mouratoglou

    Votes: 54 64.3%

  • No, he is fine for now, but another 6 months like this and he should be kicked out.

    Votes: 12 14.3%

  • No, he is an excellent coach, he has shown improvevent in Rune's game

    Votes: 18 21.4%
  • Total voters
    84
Razer

Razer

G.O.A.T.
Yet another defeat to a top 10 player today, this is going nowhere.
Patrick is more of a larger than life showpony than a coach who silently flies under the radar and works on his pupil. Rune seems to be invested on social media more than ever. Maybe it is time for him to hire someone like Ti Toni or Vajda sorta low profile gurus .... ?
Since October only disappointment in 6 months since Mouratoglou took over, at 19 this is not how his career should be progressing, his forehand is not improving at all under Patrick.
 
rick kerr said:
Yet another defeat to a top 10 player today, this is going nowhere.
Patrick is more of a larger than life showpony than a coach who silently flies under the radar and works on his pupil. Rune seems to be invested on social media more than ever. Maybe it is time for him to hire someone like Ti Toni or Vajda sorta low profile gurus .... ?
Since October only disappointment in 6 months since Mouratoglou took over, at 19 this is not how his career should be progressing, his forehand is not improving at all under Patrick.
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What had hiring tio toni done for faa?
 
Magnus Norman and the Good to Great program would seem to be a natural fit with the Viking proximity and clay prowess. Magnus was a legitimate top player who made the French Open final, and then proved that he could coach a talented underachiever into becoming a multi-time Slam champ (Stan Wawrinka). I was actually hoping Sinner was going to go for Norman after the breakup with Piatti, but I am totally on board with Cahill as his coach. Instead, Rune is exactly the kind of player that Norman would be looking for.

Patrick Mouratoglou is style with no substance. I know he coached (and slept with, allegedly) Serena, but she was already a Hall of Famer at that point. He wasn't a tour level player and I'm not aware of him coaching someone from mid-level to Slam champion, which is the leap that Rune needs.
 
sportsfan1 said:
What had hiring tio toni done for faa?
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FAA is a choker, it is not Toni's mistake. In Rune's case his forehand is not improving and I suspect his social media activity has increased in last 1 year. He has been picking fights with random people on twitter, he is posting more as well, if the results dont show then obviously the coach is the problem.
 
Social Media Trends show that Rune & Tsitsipas use Twitter much more throughout the day than Alcaraz., someone like Patrick is only aggravating all this.

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Jonesy said:
Better than Mouratoglou only Nik from IT. He could learn the intuitive FH with him.
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I respect Nikola Aracic from Intuitive Tennis much more than Mouratoglou. At least Aracic was a legitimately high level player. The only playing result I can find for Mouratoglou on the ITF site is a first round loss in the qualifying of a Futures event 23 years ago. Felix from the Tennis Brothers Youtube site is already more successful as a tennis player than Mouratoglou.

Now, I know that it doesn't always take being a world class player to become a world class coach. There are countless parents and teaching pros around the world that have coached kids into the pro ranks. Rune no doubt had several coaches like this. However, at this point, Rune has reached the top 10 and needs someone who can help him get up to the next level, which is top 5 and contending for Slams. I did a bit of research on Mouratoglou and this is his coaching client list:

Marcos Baghdatis (1999–2006)
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (2007–2009)
Aravane Rezaï (2009–2010)
Yanina Wickmayer (2009–2012)
Laura Robson (2010–2011)
Jérémy Chardy (2012)
Grigor Dimitrov (2012)
Serena Williams (2012–2022)
Stefanos Tsitsipas (2018–2021)
Coco Gauff (2018–2021)
Simona Halep (2022–)
Holger Rune (2022–)

Of those players, I think Baghdatis is the only one that came to him as a young junior and made it into the top 20 under his tutelage. The rest seem to have come to him with their games already baked, and they just seemed to tread water while he was their coach. Again, Serena is the only person that won a Slam with him as her coach, but she was already a multi-time Slam champion when she got into his clutches.

Maybe I am not being fair, but Mouratoglou seems more like a consummate self-promoter than a great coach. I'd kind of put him in the same category as Nick Bollettieri in that most of the hard work is done by anonymous underling teaching pros within his academy. But at least Nick basically invented the academy industry and lucked out by having a huge group of talented players in the 80s and early 90s, and he had several kids go from talented junior to Slam champion (unlike Mouratoglou).
 
Only coach in the world that could get away with being on and off with multiple pro clients. Can’t imagine why anyone hires the guy knowing they’ll have to share space with others. Just because he has nice hair and makes Youtube friendly content doesn’t mean he will improve your game as a professional. Props to him for this long con he has going on. Wonder when players are going to wake up to it.
 
Mouratoglou joined Rune's team in October 2022.

Rune already had a skyrocketing trajectory in 2022, starting from outside the top 100 to hovering the top 25/30 for about 4 months starting in June. Then, in October, he suddenly catapulted into his top 10 debut.

Hard to tell if Mouratoglou just has an aptitude for catching talent while they're hot or if he actually had something to do with helping Rune crack that upper level. But regardless of our feelings of Patrick being snake oil, I have to admit it's hard to discredit both him and the fine roster of tennis players who know what they need from a coach.

But then again, Mouratoglou always makes PR situations for his players worse by opening his mouth, and players still stick with him...a lot of complicated and questionable relationship dynamics on tour that's for sure. Now that I think about it, I often don't have faith in players' ability to manage their own team.
 
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Keizer said:
Only coach in the world that could get away with being on and off with multiple pro clients. Can’t imagine why anyone hires the guy knowing they’ll have to share space with others. Just because he has nice hair and makes Youtube friendly content doesn’t mean he will improve your game as a professional. Props to him for this long con he has going on. Wonder when players are going to wake up to it.
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I agree. He's a "consultant" for too many players. People made a big stink about the whole FAA and Nadal debacle, and that was only one conflict of interest that quite possibly FAA was already apt to before signing. Imagine having several.
 
Jack the Hack said:
Of those players, I think Baghdatis is the only one that came to him as a young junior and made it into the top 20 under his tutelage. The rest seem to have come to him with their games already baked, and they just seemed to tread water while he was their coach. Again, Serena is the only person that won a Slam with him as her coach, but she was already a multi-time Slam champion when she got into his clutches.
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I am all for the Mouratoglou hate but want to push back a bit here. When she got into his clutches is a very rosy reading of the situation. This was a Serena coming off years of injuries, ranked in the 100s, having not won a Slam since 2010 and basically at the singular low point of her career. I believe he took over just before Wimby 2012, when Serena had just gotten embarrassed at Roland Garros.

Whatever he did in those two weeks completely changed Serena's game. Olympics 2012 might just be the best I ever saw Serena play tennis - her serve mechanics were totally fixed, her BH return was inflappable, and she rode that wave all the way to the 12-13 resurgence where she was clearly the best player on all surfaces. And then the near CYGS in 2015.

We can say Serena had clear GOAT tier talent anyways, and maybe it was just her needing to get healthy, but I don't know. I think he did some genuinely good work with her elevating her to the top of the highest peak in tennis, two matches from the CYGS. Her tactics and shot selection on clay were noticeably improved in 13/15. Simply put I think he was a great coach in those years.

Since Serena's pregnancy it's all gone downhill for him, he's pulled in too many directions, but I do think 2012-16 Serena was an excellent coaching job from him.
 
Jack the Hack said:
Magnus Norman and the Good to Great program would seem to be a natural fit with the Viking proximity and clay prowess. Magnus was a legitimate top player who made the French Open final, and then proved that he could coach a talented underachiever into becoming a multi-time Slam champ (Stan Wawrinka). I was actually hoping Sinner was going to go for Norman after the breakup with Piatti, but I am totally on board with Cahill as his coach. Instead, Rune is exactly the kind of player that Norman would be looking for.

Patrick Mouratoglou is style with no substance. I know he coached (and slept with, allegedly) Serena, but she was already a Hall of Famer at that point. He wasn't a tour level player and I'm not aware of him coaching someone from mid-level to Slam champion, which is the leap that Rune needs.
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Serena persisted with him for so long, maybe the reason was what you mentioned as "allegedly", sometimes coaches have positive roles beyond coaching too, like in serena's case when he might have had calming +ve effect on her. donno... but yes he is no good for Rune, probably Magnus Norman will be a good coach for the reasons you mentioned.
 
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Jack the Hack said:
I respect Nikola Aracic from Intuitive Tennis much more than Mouratoglou. At least Aracic was a legitimately high level player. The only playing result I can find for Mouratoglou on the ITF site is a first round loss in the qualifying of a Futures event 23 years ago. Felix from the Tennis Brothers Youtube site is already more successful as a tennis player than Mouratoglou.

Now, I know that it doesn't always take being a world class player to become a world class coach. There are countless parents and teaching pros around the world that have coached kids into the pro ranks. Rune no doubt had several coaches like this. However, at this point, Rune has reached the top 10 and needs someone who can help him get up to the next level, which is top 5 and contending for Slams. I did a bit of research on Mouratoglou and this is his coaching client list:

Marcos Baghdatis (1999–2006)
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (2007–2009)
Aravane Rezaï (2009–2010)
Yanina Wickmayer (2009–2012)
Laura Robson (2010–2011)
Jérémy Chardy (2012)
Grigor Dimitrov (2012)
Serena Williams (2012–2022)
Stefanos Tsitsipas (2018–2021)
Coco Gauff (2018–2021)
Simona Halep (2022–)
Holger Rune (2022–)

Of those players, I think Baghdatis is the only one that came to him as a young junior and made it into the top 20 under his tutelage. The rest seem to have come to him with their games already baked, and they just seemed to tread water while he was their coach. Again, Serena is the only person that won a Slam with him as her coach, but she was already a multi-time Slam champion when she got into his clutches.

Maybe I am not being fair, but Mouratoglou seems more like a consummate self-promoter than a great coach. I'd kind of put him in the same category as Nick Bollettieri in that most of the hard work is done by anonymous underling teaching pros within his academy. But at least Nick basically invented the academy industry and lucked out by having a huge group of talented players in the 80s and early 90s, and he had several kids go from talented junior to Slam champion (unlike Mouratoglou).
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The reason i like PM and Nik is basically because of how much they trigger folks here on TTW. I really don't care if PM is good for Rune or not, but seeing people go mad here everytime he appears on TV is a delight.
 
Jack the Hack said:
Magnus Norman and the Good to Great program would seem to be a natural fit with the Viking proximity and clay prowess. Magnus was a legitimate top player who made the French Open final, and then proved that he could coach a talented underachiever into becoming a multi-time Slam champ (Stan Wawrinka). I was actually hoping Sinner was going to go for Norman after the breakup with Piatti, but I am totally on board with Cahill as his coach. Instead, Rune is exactly the kind of player that Norman would be looking for.

Patrick Mouratoglou is style with no substance. I know he coached (and slept with, allegedly) Serena, but she was already a Hall of Famer at that point. He wasn't a tour level player and I'm not aware of him coaching someone from mid-level to Slam champion, which is the leap that Rune needs.
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He plucked Serena out of the dumps, though. She needed whatever he was offering, but another player might need something different.

A lot of this is "fit"
 
Kralingen said:
I am all for the Mouratoglou hate but want to push back a bit here. When she got into his clutches is a very rosy reading of the situation. This was a Serena coming off years of injuries, ranked in the 100s, having not won a Slam since 2010 and basically at the singular low point of her career. I believe he took over just before Wimby 2012, when Serena had just gotten embarrassed at Roland Garros.

Whatever he did in those two weeks completely changed Serena's game. Olympics 2012 might just be the best I ever saw Serena play tennis - her serve mechanics were totally fixed, her BH return was inflappable, and she rode that wave all the way to the 12-13 resurgence where she was clearly the best player on all surfaces. And then the near CYGS in 2015.

We can say Serena had clear GOAT tier talent anyways, and maybe it was just her needing to get healthy, but I don't know. I think he did some genuinely good work with her elevating her to the top of the highest peak in tennis, two matches from the CYGS. Her tactics and shot selection on clay were noticeably improved in 13/15. Simply put I think he was a great coach in those years.

Since Serena's pregnancy it's all gone downhill for him, he's pulled in too many directions, but I do think 2012-16 Serena was an excellent coaching job from him.
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Rosstour said:
He plucked Serena out of the dumps, though. She needed whatever he was offering, but another player might need something different.

A lot of this is "fit"
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Yeah, I wonder what special coaching services he was offering Serena? I guess you could say Patrick is willing to go "all in" for Williams, "plucking" her from the dumps.

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“If she (Serena) wants to talk about something personal, maybe she should talk about her relationship and her boyfriend that was married and is getting a divorce and has kids."

- Maria Sharapova, referring to Mouratoglou in response to a Serena comment about Maria dating Dimitrov, a guy Williams claimed had a "black heart."
 
Mouratoglou n'est qu'un bon vivant qui profite de l'innocence des jeunes joueurs pour les exploiter et en tirer profit.
C'est une belle publicité pour son académie.
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Reviving an ATG who had already won 13 slams and who probably would have come back anyway with a different coach (for all we know) is not the same as turning a young upcoming player into a slam winner, which - as far as I’m aware - PM has literally never done. The closest he got was giving Baggy that one miracle tournament where he ended up getting destroyed by an ATG tier player anyway, so if Rune wants to be in company with the latter, he needs to fire this overrated leeching windbag clickbait merchant asap
 
rick kerr said:
FAA is a choker, it is not Toni's mistake. In Rune's case his forehand is not improving and I suspect his social media activity has increased in last 1 year. He has been picking fights with random people on twitter, he is posting more as well, if the results dont show then obviously the coach is the problem.
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its not that simple, if his forehand is not improving it may be because there isnt much more potential in there, its obviously not a strength of his, his strengths are his serve, his backhand, and that he is confortable going to the net, his forehand is not bad, but you can see from his prep its not his most natural shot
 
Slicehand said:
its not that simple, if his forehand is not improving it may be because there isnt much more potential in there, its obviously not a strength of his, his strengths are his serve, his backhand, and that he is confortable going to the net, his forehand is not bad, but you can see from his prep its not his most natural shot
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It used to be his main weapon and he hit a lot of winners with it. Now, it's beginning to look a bit unreliable. Don't know if it's the wrist that is the issue.
 
Kralingen said:
I am all for the Mouratoglou hate but want to push back a bit here. When she got into his clutches is a very rosy reading of the situation. This was a Serena coming off years of injuries, ranked in the 100s, having not won a Slam since 2010 and basically at the singular low point of her career. I believe he took over just before Wimby 2012, when Serena had just gotten embarrassed at Roland Garros.

Whatever he did in those two weeks completely changed Serena's game. Olympics 2012 might just be the best I ever saw Serena play tennis - her serve mechanics were totally fixed, her BH return was inflappable, and she rode that wave all the way to the 12-13 resurgence where she was clearly the best player on all surfaces. And then the near CYGS in 2015.

We can say Serena had clear GOAT tier talent anyways, and maybe it was just her needing to get healthy, but I don't know. I think he did some genuinely good work with her elevating her to the top of the highest peak in tennis, two matches from the CYGS. Her tactics and shot selection on clay were noticeably improved in 13/15. Simply put I think he was a great coach in those years.

Since Serena's pregnancy it's all gone downhill for him, he's pulled in too many directions, but I do think 2012-16 Serena was an excellent coaching job from him.
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He did some good work in the sack to lift her spirit.
 
To be fair with PM, there are only a few coaches around the world that would go so far as to sleep with their players to elevate their game. So if Rune starts to get really good don't be surprised when you realize they are sleeping together.
 
DSH said:
Mouratoglou n'est qu'un bon vivant qui profite de l'innocence des jeunes joueurs pour les exploiter et en tirer profit.
C'est une belle publicité pour son académie.
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Mouratoglou est un scélérat, un adultère et s'attribue indûment le mérite de la réussite de ses élèves. Je ne lui fais pas confiance.
 
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i dont get why people here dont think PMort is a valid coach.
these top players hire him for a reason and its not becuz hes expensive.
 
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big ted said:
i dont get why people here dont think PMort is a valid coach.
these top players hire him for a reason and its not becuz hes expensive.
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First, the question in this thread is basically whether Patrick is the best coaching option for getting Rune into the top 5 and contending for Slams. Based on his record as a coach, the answer is that he is not. He's never taken a good player and made them great in this way. Unlike someone like Magnus Norman. Or Darren Cahill.

Second, sure, Morty is a valid tennis coach. He's probably just as good as any other run-of-the-mill teaching pro who can gives tips about form. The short videos he posts on YT are fine. But is he more of a self-promoter than a tactician? Is he more of a businessman than coach? Do the coaches that he hires for his academy do a bulk of the work that he takes credit for?

Third, Morty was not a high level player and has demonstrated questionable ethics.

Fourth, most of the players that have hired him have not stuck with him for long. Probably because they didn't get the results they wanted.
 
Olli Jokinen said:
It used to be his main weapon and he hit a lot of winners with it. Now, it's beginning to look a bit unreliable. Don't know if it's the wrist that is the issue.
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Well to me he produces much better backhands now, he can hit some great forehands sometimes, but as i said, it looks too much of a laboratory forehand (not natural) that take back he has looks so bad to me, its like he is trying so much to hit it with a straight arm that the preparation is so tense, to my eye anyway...
 
Jack the Hack said:
First, the question in this thread is basically whether Patrick is the best coaching option for getting Rune into the top 5 and contending for Slams. Based on his record as a coach, the answer is that he is not. He's never taken a good player and made them great in this way. Unlike someone like Magnus Norman. Or Darren Cahill.

Second, sure, Morty is a valid tennis coach. He's probably just as good as any other run-of-the-mill teaching pro who can gives tips about form. The short videos he posts on YT are fine. But is he more of a self-promoter than a tactician? Is he more of a businessman than coach? Do the coaches that he hires for his academy do a bulk of the work that he takes credit for?

Third, Morty was not a high level player and has demonstrated questionable ethics.

Fourth, most of the players that have hired him have not stuck with him for long. Probably because they didn't get the results they wanted.
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well ok but i think players should be held accountable for losing matches too not just their coach...
me personally i think runes doing fine so far being 19yo in the top 10 and hes hungry to win. hes a little overhyped,
but who isnt these days.. even alcarez is overhyped.. pretty much everyone is overhyped except ruud lol..

PMorts coaching history
Marcos Baghdatis (1999–2006)
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (2007–2009)
Aravane Rezaï (2009–2010)
Yanina Wickmayer (2009–2012)
Laura Robson (2010–2011)
Jérémy Chardy (2012)
Grigor Dimitrov (2012)
Serena Williams (2012–2022)
Stefanos Tsitsipas (2018–2021)
Coco Gauff (2018–2021)
Simona Halep (2022–)
Holger Rune (2022–)

^---as you can see to me it looks like most players have stuck with him for a while, except in 2012 when he quit with chardy and dimitrov to coach serena.
i think he helped develop alot of players and just having his academy alone with other world class players to train with makes him more than a "run of the mill teaching pro"..
and i may be in the minority here but i really dont think you have to be a high level player to be a great coach.. i.e. bollietteri, agassi's dad, seles' dad, robert lansdorp, pete fischer.. i could name a million of these people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
rick kerr said:
Mouratoglou took over, at 19 this is not how his career should be progressing, his forehand is not improving at all under Patrick.
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Novak said in October than Rune had a "great forehand," and it's regressed not because of Patrick but because of Rune's wrist injury, sustained in the 3R at the AO. He missed two tournaments after that and then played very well in Acapulco only to get cramps and lose to De Minaur. He played like garbage at both IW and Miami with negative body language and constant whining to his box. His level of play now compared to last fall is pathetic, though it's more than just his wrist bothering him. His movement is sloppy, his fight is suspect and he looks like he'd rather be doing something else. All of this is in direct contrast to how he looked and played throughout 2022.

Mouratoglou is not a real coach to Rune. I watched 5 of his practices at IW and Patrick just stands around and is more of a life coach and cheerleader. He doesn't give instructions on his strokes or devise drills. He's not going to magically "fix" Rune's forehand or do anything about his technique. Holger's real coach since his childhood is Lars Christensen. I do hope Holger dumps PM, he's only into self-promotion and has a truly odious vibe in person, just repulsively arrogant. We'll see if getting on the clay will restore order to Rune's game. I tend to doubt it, 2023 might be a total wash for him instead of getting into the top 5 and winning another Masters 1000 event.

Some people here seem unaware that Rune is an incredibly hard worker who trains relentlessly, almost at the level of Thiem. Maybe overtraining is an ancillary issue, he's in the gym 3 hours a day and hitting on court for another 4.
 
puppybutts said:
Mouratoglou joined Rune's team in October 2022.

Rune already had a skyrocketing trajectory in 2022, starting from outside the top 100 to hovering the top 25/30 for about 4 months starting in June. Then, in October, he suddenly catapulted into his top 10 debut.

Hard to tell if Mouratoglou just has an aptitude for catching talent while they're hot or if he actually had something to do with helping Rune crack that upper level. But regardless of our feelings of Patrick being snake oil, I have to admit it's hard to discredit both him and the fine roster of tennis players who know what they need from a coach.

But then again, Mouratoglou always makes PR situations for his players worse by opening his mouth, and players still stick with him...a lot of complicated and questionable relationship dynamics on tour that's for sure. Now that I think about it, I often don't have faith in players' ability to manage their own team.
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He seems to at least be good at teaching and fixing the serve. Theres a YT vid him doing that with Rune and looks great
 
BeatlesFan said:
Novak said in October than Rune had a "great forehand," and it's regressed not because of Patrick but because of Rune's wrist injury, sustained in the 3R at the AO. He missed two tournaments after that and then played very well in Acapulco only to get cramps and lose to De Minaur. He played like garbage at both IW and Miami with negative body language and constant whining to his box. His level of play now compared to last fall is pathetic, though it's more than just his wrist bothering him. His movement is sloppy, his fight is suspect and he looks like he'd rather be doing something else. All of this is in direct contrast to how he looked and played throughout 2022.

Mouratoglou is not a real coach to Rune. I watched 5 of his practices at IW and Patrick just stands around and is more of a life coach and cheerleader. He doesn't give instructions on his strokes or devise drills. He's not going to magically "fix" Rune's forehand or do anything about his technique. Holger's real coach since his childhood is Lars Christensen. I do hope Holger dumps PM, he's only into self-promotion and has a truly odious vibe in person, just repulsively arrogant. We'll see if getting on the clay will restore order to Rune's game. I tend to doubt it, 2023 might be a total wash for him instead of getting into the top 5 and winning another Masters 1000 event.

Some people here seem unaware that Rune is an incredibly hard worker who trains relentlessly, almost at the level of Thiem. Maybe overtraining is an ancillary issue, he's in the gym 3 hours a day and hitting on court for another 4.
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BeatlesFan said:
Novak said in October than Rune had a "great forehand," and it's regressed not because of Patrick but because of Rune's wrist injury, sustained in the 3R at the AO. He missed two tournaments after that and then played very well in Acapulco only to get cramps and lose to De Minaur. He played like garbage at both IW and Miami with negative body language and constant whining to his box. His level of play now compared to last fall is pathetic, though it's more than just his wrist bothering him. His movement is sloppy, his fight is suspect and he looks like he'd rather be doing something else. All of this is in direct contrast to how he looked and played throughout 2022.

Mouratoglou is not a real coach to Rune. I watched 5 of his practices at IW and Patrick just stands around and is more of a life coach and cheerleader. He doesn't give instructions on his strokes or devise drills. He's not going to magically "fix" Rune's forehand or do anything about his technique. Holger's real coach since his childhood is Lars Christensen. I do hope Holger dumps PM, he's only into self-promotion and has a truly odious vibe in person, just repulsively arrogant. We'll see if getting on the clay will restore order to Rune's game. I tend to doubt it, 2023 might be a total wash for him instead of getting into the top 5 and winning another Masters 1000 event.

Some people here seem unaware that Rune is an incredibly hard worker who trains relentlessly, almost at the level of Thiem. Maybe overtraining is an ancillary issue, he's in the gym 3 hours a day and hitting on court for another 4.
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This sums up the situation perfectly. I agree that Rune is a top tier talent and a hard worker. The wrist injury and off-court distractions are a big concern. As you said, Christensen is the real hero here in shaping Rune's game up to this point. Making the leap into the top 5 and contending for Slams is the toughest step for players of Rune's talent level. Nearly the whole Next Gen were unable to do it. Morty has never proven that he can help a player take that leap and he should go.
 
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