Is it time that Murray called it a day on his playing career?

10 iS_fun

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Why the f**k would nole retire??
Nole is being forced to retire. He cant play French, USO, any tournament in USA/Canada this year already.
No-Vac is not a passing fad for him. It is his life, his belief, his philosophy. Giving it up for some awards or money is too much of an emotional weight for him.

And if he cant play for a year or two, he will be done anyways.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I would say it depends on whether Andy is enjoying what he is doing or not and how much pain he has injury wise . It is a hard grind to train and play on hard courts, travel all the way from freezing Scotland to the Australian Summer even though it’s not really hot in Australia at present. He is 34 and ranked outside of the top 100, but still good for Scottish tennis fans.
 

StringSnapper

Hall of Fame
Pushed to 5 sets by a ball basher who all the other top players would routine in straight sets. Then loses in straight sets to a qualifier. His results aren't really improving at slam level. Yes he made the final of some minor tournament last week but every match was an immense struggle. Isn't it just time he called it quits and hung up his racquet for good?
seems like every match of his ever was an immense struggle
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Here's the thing.

By historical standards, his current form is exactly where you'd expect him to be at his age. Struggling against the younger players.

And that's WITHOUT the metal hip.

What he's doing is totally amazing and unprecedented. Anyone who can't see that is just being a d1ck for funsies.
 

Cupcake

Hall of Fame
These 'should he/she retire' always boil down to the same opinions. It's up to the player, and are they still a draw to sell seats.

I've watched Murray a few times since his return. Good for him - he's come much further than I thought. But I've seen enough. Impressive for what he's done, but he won't get much better. I'd now rather use viewing time to find out what the new guys have to offer. Time to go home, Andy, and play with the kids. You've been good for the game.
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Here's the thing.

By historical standards, his current form is exactly where you'd expect him to be at his age. Struggling against the younger players.

And that's WITHOUT the metal hip.

What he's doing is totally amazing and unprecedented. Anyone who can't see that is just being a d1ck for funsies.

Yeh, but he always got it done to play again and go out on his terms - others have had hip ops and never come back to anywhere near their level before - Hewitt, Kuerten, Nalbandian, Haas. Only Bob Bryan AFAIK had the same metal hip op and came back to play, but that was doubles. Murray is the ultimate competitive animal, he was clearly not happy with his loss today. That is what great players live for: getting to the back end of Grand slams with the chance of winning one. Yes, his fans and by historical standards know he should be losing at his age, but they could accept losing to a up and coming like he did when losing to Shapovalov and FAA in a close 5 set competitive match - passing of the torch and all that. But Taro Daniel a qualifier in straight sets in the second round at 34?
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Yeh, but he always got it done to play again and go out on his terms - others have had hip ops and never come back to anywhere near their level before - Hewitt, Kuerten, Nalbandian, Haas. Only Bob Bryan AFAIK had the same metal hip op and came back to play, but that was doubles. Murray is the ultimate competitive animal, he was clearly not happy with his loss today. That is what great players live for: getting to the back end of Grand slams with the chance of winning one. Yes, his fans and by historical standards know he should be losing at his age, but they could accept losing to a up and coming like he did when losing to Shapovalov and FAA in a close 5 set competitive match - passing of the torch and all that. But Taro Daniel a qualifier in straight sets in the second round at 34?

Doesn't matter. If I were him I'd be doing the same thing, and so would everyone in this forum.

It kinda saddens me that so many people don't realize that. Seems they don't understand themselves.
 

Bertie B

Hall of Fame
Considering he's about five years past the age where Sampras retired...yeah

Everyone can't be Novak

I dunno. I feel Wawrinka did better at 34, many of his losses were due to conditioning/strategy/focus. Not sure Murray ever reached Stan's peaks, but don't expect him to be aging worse.

Point, if not for the surgery, Andy would've been doing a bit better.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
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Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
I dunno. I feel Wawrinka did better at 34, many of his losses were due to conditioning/strategy/focus. Not sure Murray ever reached Stan's peaks, but don't expect him to be aging worse.

Point, if not for the surgery, Andy would've been doing a bit better.

Yes, that's true.

However, given the nature of the surgery...he shouldn't be playing at all. Yet he's out there and able to take out top players.

So...every day is a blessing. I don't want him to retire. Dunno why anyone does. He's an ATG and part of the game's strongest golden age...
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
He should at the very least have one last go at Wimbledon.

Connors reached the SF of the US Open after some Surgeries.

Murray might have one last good deep slam run, Wimbledon is his best shot to go deep.
 

Fiero425

Legend
Murray should go out how he wants, which is probably fighting until he's 100% broken.

All the more entertaining to see him play as well as he ever has, but having little to no impression on this kid ranked outside the top 100! Murray's out there as well, getting accommodated by 14 of 16 tournaments to avoid qualifying! How long can he keep taking advantage of his status pushing a more deserving player out of a tournament? He's good for 2 or 3 rounds if he can play his mind games with better players! I didn't appreciate his way of playing since the beginning! I said he was destined for a wheelchair if he insists on grinding out all his matches instead of "taking it to them:" esp. in early rounds! Nadal has the same brain disorder; allowing lower ranked players to take him to the limit unnecessarily! :giggle: :cautious::D:-D:happydevil:
 
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pines2222

Rookie
The guy is grinder, and the thing that grinders hate more than anything else is not grinding.

I think if he is competitive in the Masters events in 2022, he's going to hang in there. But if it's one-and-dones at the Masters events, he'll see the writing on the wall.
 

Fiero425

Legend
He should at the very least have one last go at Wimbledon.

Connors reached the SF of the US Open after some Surgeries.

Murray might have one last good deep slam run. Wimbledon is his best shot to go deep.

I'll never understand people thinking just because players like Murray and Federer are so seasoned and understand the surface so well, they can manage a late run on grass! Federer had his and then some with 2019! Those days are gone! Today's kids pound the ball and it's not enough to anticipate well and dig deep to hustle down bullets being shot at them! Federer was embarrassed last year! The man had to be delusional to think he was going anywhere after Mannarino took him to the limit in the 1st round! It was only a matter of time when someone who pounds the ball was going to run him ragged! I have little to no sympathy for players like Andy who thinks he can continue playing that silly defensive game at his age! :unsure:;):giggle::cautious::D
 

Fiero425

Legend
The guy is grinder, and the thing that grinders hate more than anything else is not grinding.

I think if he is competitive in the Masters events in 2022, he's going to hang in there. But if it's one-and-dones at the Masters events, he'll see the writing on the wall.

You can only hope! Federer deluded himself last year! :censored::-D;):giggle::D
 

Clay lover

Legend
Maybe if they stopped giving out wild cards like they gave Djokovic the visa and cast him aside like they got rid of Djokovic then he would stop having false hopes like Djokovic.

Can't resist the dig here sorry
 

-snake-

Hall of Fame
Maybe if they stopped giving out wild cards like they gave Djokovic the visa and cast him aside like they got rid of Djokovic then he would stop having false hopes like Djokovic.

Can't resist the dig here sorry


Only one "wild card" vs how many at this point? Guy's been getting spanked in 2nd rounds for years.
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
I'll never understand people thinking just because players like Murray and Federer are so seasoned and understand the surface so well, they can manage a late run on grass! Federer had his and then some with 2019! Those days are gone! Today's kids pound the ball and it's not enough to anticipate well and dig deep to hustle down bullets being shot at them! Federer was embarrassed last year! The man had to be delusional to think he was going anywhere after Mannarino took him to the limit in the 1st round! It was only a matter of time when someone who pounds the ball was going to run him ragged! I have little to no sympathy for players like Andy who thinks he can continue playing that silly defensive game at his age! :unsure:;):giggle::cautious::D

Federer on a bum knee got to a QF in 2021.

Not as many good grass court players as Clay or Hard.
 
of course it is the organiser earning the money but it does not mean it is right to do so.
on the otherhand, it should be the organizer to decide giving it to anyone, so whether murray should and would turn down is out of question
The organizer is earning money, and Murray is getting an opportunity.
It's a win-win.
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Doesn't matter. If I were him I'd be doing the same thing, and so would everyone in this forum.

It kinda saddens me that so many people don't realize that. Seems they don't understand themselves.

Well it clearly matters to Murray. And if his fans can’t see that then they are the ones being the *****, for only caring about their enjoyment of seeing him continue playing well past his best - he’s not a circus animal. It’s like watching an ex heavyweight boxer who is just going to get hurt because they no longer have the skills they had before.

It’ll just hurt Andy’s legacy IMO and he has nothing more to prove.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Well it clearly matters to Murray. And if his fans can’t see that then they are the ones being the *****, for only caring about their enjoyment of seeing him continue playing well past his best - he’s not a circus animal. It’s like watching an ex heavyweight boxer who is just going to get hurt because they no longer have the skills they had before.

It’ll just hurt Andy’s legacy IMO and he has nothing more to prove.

No one's forcing him to be out there. The circus animal analogy isn't relevant here.

It isn't hurting his legacy. If anything, it's enhancing his legacy! The guy is playing on a replaced hip. I'm not sure people understand how impressive that is. Dude is a FREAK.

I might agree with you if he was playing challengers, but he's making finals of tour events and he even won a title last year over Wawrinka. How many players have won an ATP title (yeah I know it was a 250) after a hip replacement?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Only he can say but I have a strong suspicion that, unless he dramatically starts improving, this will be his final year on tour and his statement about it being an important year for him probably hints at this.
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
No one's forcing him to be out there. The circus animal analogy isn't relevant here.

It isn't hurting his legacy. If anything, it's enhancing his legacy! The guy is playing on a replaced hip. I'm not sure people understand how impressive that is. Dude is a FREAK.

I might agree with you if he was playing challengers, but he's making finals of tour events and he even won a title last year over Wawrinka. How many players have won an ATP title (yeah I know it was a 250) after a hip replacement?
Yeh stick to the 250/500/1000 best of 3 sets. But if he is living to play the Grand Slams then what is the point? As he said himself the motivation to train is lessened - he no longer has protected ranking and so plays higher ranked players. He lost to a guy outside the top 100 and a qualifier in straight sets.

A guy like Murray also does not live to play 250 tournaments - get to 50 titles perhaps as a done that been there.

He’s been warned by his surgeon that the metal hip has a chance of failing if he plays with it. Yeh, his fans say get a second hip operation after he finishes - shows how much they care about Andy’s well being hence the he’s not a circus animal comment. But second one under 40? Risk of arthritis and pain for the rest of his life for what?
 
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Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Yeh stick to the 250/500/1000 best of 3 sets. But if he is living to play the Grand Slams then what is the point? As he said himself the motivation to train is lessened - he no longer has protected ranking and so plays higher ranked players. He lost to a guy outside the top 100 and a qualifier in straight sets.

A guy like Murray also does not live to play 250 tournaments - get to 50 titles perhaps as a done that been there.

He’s been warned by his surgeon that the metal hip has a chance of failing if he plays with it. Yeh, his fans say get a second hip operation after he finishes - shows how much they care about Andy’s well being hence the he’s not a circus animal comment. But second one under 40? Risk of arthritis and pain for the rest of his life for what?

Why does it bother you so much? Never understood why people are so eager to show him the door.

You frame it as concern for his well-being, but your tone doesn't reflect that.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Depends on whether Murray's hip heroics affect his health adversely. If yes, he absolutely should retire rather than risk his post-retirement well-being for an occasional upset and perhaps another small title - it's very much not worth it. If no, he can play as long as he regularly wins matches - his playing legacy won't be hurt by any loss. I suspect he probably is risking his health, unable to let go of the competitive thrill - that would be sad.
 

Zara

G.O.A.T.
Really, I don’t understand why people tell others w
Only he can say but I have a strong suspicion that, unless he dramatically starts improving, this will be his final year on tour and his statement about it being an important year for him probably hints at this.

What if he continues to try the next 3 years (including this year) and somehow ends up winning a slam?
 

tennis24x7

Hall of Fame
He'll never return to full fitness, considering that he had full hip resurfacing.

Earlier on Eurosport Germany, Boris Becker was stating that Murray and coaches are looking for ways to decrease match time currently.
I think this is really the way forward and might also be the reason for the racquet change.

Murray has been a fighter all of his career, rather grinding out points than outhitting his opponent. Sadly, this strategy won't work anymore with that injury.
So he will be competitive in best of three, rather short rally type of tournaments (grass, fast HC etc). But best of 5 and slow surfaces will never be his jam again I fear.
The reason he has hip problems is because of the grinding, he should have started shortening points 10 years back.
 

tennis24x7

Hall of Fame
Really, I don’t understand why people tell others w


What if he continues to try the next 3 years (including this year) and somehow ends up winning a slam?
He should stop talking nonsense like saying he didn't come back to be in the second round of a GS. Even the great Agassi had to go through Challengers when he was coming back. This idiot is just back from major surgery and thinks with his style of play he will in a final with a WC?
 
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