Is it time to have separate majors for the men and women?

Separate the tours?


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Deine VS

Rookie
ATP and WTA are separate tours. They have some joint events. WTA is pushing for more.
Why?
Money, of course.
WTA is in trouble. Outside Serena Williams they don't have a global star. That is why they took her side in this mess. Model-players are not delivering, they have uninspiring no.1, no consistency ( 4 different GS winners, 3 this year winners where out in a first week at US Open ). There is nobody funs could attach there allegiance for a longer period.

Slams are different category.
Grand Slams would not dare to separate the events because WTA would accuse them for sexism.
This argument was over long time ago, there is no going back now.
 

BGod

Legend
Well the Canadian Open does this with the ATP & WTA being held at different locations. And yes, the difference in attendance is stark but because of corporate sponsorships the money earned is not far off. However Montreal is pretty good for both.

As for Slams, well yeah. It's sexist to pay women the same for less work and smaller crowds.
 

TennisDawg

Hall of Fame
Well the Canadian Open does this with the ATP & WTA being held at different locations. And yes, the difference in attendance is stark but because of corporate sponsorships the money earned is not far off. However Montreal is pretty good for both.

As for Slams, well yeah. It's sexist to pay women the same for less work and smaller crowds.
I’ve never really thought much about it, but is prize money for Slams based solely on ticket sales or by other sources?? Please post (or anyone) if you know for sure.
 

Luka888

Professional
You are doomed if you do it and you are doomed if you don't.

The money is a very important factor here. Please don't shoot me, but women want same prize money, yet they don't play BO5 ... they can't bring as many spectators and fans, one true star left ... tough place to be. Then, men are sexists and this and that :rolleyes:. This is not fair, that is not fair, blah, blah. You can't have a cake and eat it.

I, personally, stopped watching the WTA tour almost 10 years ago, but that's me ... I do respect people who love it. Nowadays we have Serena plus the rest of the tour. I kinda stopped following the WTA about the time Henin retired. As a kid I loved Navratilova/Evert, Seles/Graf etc. rivalries. The WTA tour has never been so 'one sided'. I watched the final of majors when it comes to women, but I don't even know who is who any more. Again, this is me ... some people see it as a good thing, having all different GS winners etc. I'd say yes if there are a few more who are as consistent as Serena but the thing is there isn't. That might change in the future. Even Serena can't play forever ... We are all different. I'd like too see more different characters on the WTA tour too.

Separating the slams now sounds like a good idea, considering everything that was said but that might change in the future. Unfortunately this trend with the WTA keeps going for a long time. If you exclude hard core tennis fans, less and less people are interested in watching female tennis. It's kinda sad. I do remember very well that there was a moment or a period when the WTA was even slightly more popular than the ATP.

Majority of people who follow any sport want or like big names, big stars and a strong competition. That might be what is 'killing' the WTA nowadays. When it comes to guys who are pro tennis players I can think of over 100 different active players, their different styles etc. I do admit, and it's propably not just me, when to comes to active female pro players, I'm struggling to tell you who are even top 10 ... kinda embarrassing. e.i. I've heard a name Osaka but never watched any of her matches before the final of the USO.

Even, remembering who is a #1 during last 10 years is a huge struggle for me :confused:. One would think it's either Serena or Sharapova based on the media and fan base attention ;):).
 

shazbot

Semi-Pro
Spot on!!!! When and if Serena breaks the record the wta will be in trouble and they should be embracing Osaka because she is the only hope after Serena is gone. Like the WNBA vs NBA?
Stephan curry makes 35 million a year where the best WNBA player makes about 100k!!!!! How's that for equality!!!!!
Because no one watches the WNBA. If I remember correctly their TV viewership/ratings are absolutely terrible.

I remember an article from a few years ago, don't remember where I read it, but the main problem the WNBA has is that women don't even want to watch it. They polled women and majority of them would rather watch the NBA. Add that to the fact that men don't want to watch the WNBA, you end up getting very low interest. Hence the lower pay.
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
If the tournaments did split I would follow more WTA than ATP. There's not enough time in life to watch two separate tournaments
Good examples .
Are accusations of sexism prevalent there to?
I don't know about sexism but sexually abusing children seems to be a problem with "women's" gymnastics.
 
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mika1979

Professional
With Serena Williams calls of sexism, and seemingly, some male players agreeing with her, is it time to separate the men and women completely?

Adjust the calender accordingly. Been done before.

Each tour could employ it's own officials: address it's own prize money: separate sponsorship/tv rights etc.

No more arguments about which gender gets preferential courts etc.

I appreciate the mixed would also have to be factored in with a separate calander.

If sexism is a factor. Take it away.
And let the public/media/sponsors decide which is more viable/appealing.
Just get rid of women’s side
 

Crocodile

Legend
That's true.
But why not at least try to counter that.
The only we are going to counter what is going on is:
1. Sort out the nonsense going on in our universities and schools.
2. Sort out the behaviour of the media
3. Seek out the value of truth in every situation as a priority over the risk of offending when it is based on fact.
 
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Well the Canadian Open does this with the ATP & WTA being held at different locations. And yes, the difference in attendance is stark but because of corporate sponsorships the money earned is not far off. However Montreal is pretty good for both.

As for Slams, well yeah. It's sexist to pay women the same for less work and smaller crowds.
The Canadian tournament has also hedged the women's tournament with seniors tour play, in light of that it isn't just attendance but ticket price. When I roughly figured it up a few years ago now it was a substantial amount, that doesn't account for concessions your missing with its blown up prices. Again it turns out to be a substantial amount when figured in.
 
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