Is Kyrgios really more talented than players like Nadal and Djokovic?

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#51
When you play a loosey goosey devil may care style of play you're bound to hit the occassional wacky circus shot highlight.
Many here have been fooled into calling that a once in a lifetime talent seemingly handed down from the heavens.
Not even close

People take every highlight of him hitting some "trick" shot at face value while missing the 100 other attempts that failed miserably

Any one of these players can slap the ball around with extremely low percentage shots if they wanted too
Nailed it. In a world of Hype, highlight shots trick laymen viewers into thinking they’re seeing some kind of special talent. They ignore the 40 UEs that went into the circus shot.

Results don’t lie. NK is a servebot, nothing more.
 
#52
No. I don't know where this Kyrgios hype came from. Other than having a great serve, I can't think of anything else that makes him stand out.
 

big ted

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#53
agassi was more talented than kyrgios.. bollietteri said when he won wimbledon in '92
he didnt even see a lick of grass before the tournament...lol
 
#54
No. I don't know where this Kyrgios hype came from. Other than having a great serve, I can't think of anything else that makes him stand out.
His fame came about when he beat Rafa at Wimbledon in 2014

That's nearly 5 years ago and he is still dining on it. I remember when Tsonga beat Rafa in AO 2008 and he was supposed to go on and dominate tennis and be the 'greatest'. He was going to be the Mohamed Ali of tennis.
 

clout

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#55
I think a big reason why Nadal and Djokovic both often get overlooked for their natural talent is because they don’t go for broke on every shot in the rally. Since they actually care a lot about winning, they play a more smart and measured style which revolves around being consistent and not making many errors, while also using their elite defence to their advantage as well. If they wanted to, I’m sure they can whack a ton of balls for winners the same way NK does, but they know for a fact that that’s not winning tennis.

Just like in many sports, defense is what wins titles
 
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#56
I guess we all know the answer - A BIG NO. However, Kyrgios is a bit more athletic than Nadal and Djokovic with more height to go with. He really has the athleticism of a basketball player, but that's not exactly the tennis talent.
 
#58
I think a big reason why Nadal and Djokovic both often get overlooked for their natural talent is because they don’t go for broke on every shot in the rally. Since they actually care a lot about winning, they play a more smart and measured style which revolves around being consistent and not making many errors, while also using their elite defence to their advantage as well. If they wanted to, I’m sure they can whack a ton of balls for winners the same way NK does, but they know for a fact that that’s not winning tennis.

Just like in many sports, defense is what wins titles
Nadal and Djokovic get overlooked because they show Fedr up that he is NOT the greatest of all time and this doesn't sit well with the establishment who had crowned him as the greatest because he dominated tennis before they arrived on the scene.
 
#59
Definitely no, he's 23 now and has 4 titles and a very poor record in Grand Slams where you have to play great 5 set Tennis for 2 weeks. Ultimately Tennis greats are measured on Grand Slam performances and this is where he has his worst performances.
 
#61
Not even close

People take every highlight of him hitting some "trick" shot at face value while missing the 100 other attempts that failed miserably

Any one of these players can slap the ball around with extremely low percentage shots if they wanted too
shortest best assessment of the kyrgios mystique. which is not to say he isnt talented—wins over fed, nadal and novak is significant. but the “slap-happy” approach certainly lends itself to a perception of mercurial genius whereas not missing comes off as grinding and workmanlike. i think nadal and novak could add to their highlight reels easily by adopting the same approach...but don’t, understanding it would come at the expense of their trophy cases.
 
#63
Talent alone will only take you so far. The mental strength and discipline/work ethic is just as important as talent at that level and you need all 3 to become successful. For all the talent Kyrgios has displayed in the last couple of years, he's also proved that he's not dedicated to his craft judging by his lack of fitness/training and he's never been very strong mentally either, so that's why his results are what they are. Until he gets his act together, he'll never be able to maximize his potential, and from the looks of it, he's a bit of a lost cause.
 
#64
I would he has just as much "raw talent". He just doesn't use it, nor does he have a brain or a care in the world and it is unable to bring it all together to be successful. Its kind of like Safin. He was as good as anyone who EVER played the game. His focus was only one tennis 5 percent of the time and his career bared that out. Going even further, Safin may have had MORE raw talent than anyone who ever played. (When he was focused just ask Fed and Pete how good Safin was)

I would throw Michael Stich in that category as well.

You can have all the talent in the world but it takes other things coming together to see the result. It doesn't matter when you're out chasing broads though for 95 percent of your career.
 
#65
If Djokovic's talent is about ______________________________________________________________________ ...

And Nadal's talent is about ____________________________________________________________ ...

Then Kyrgios' talent is about ______________

(actualised, realised talent, and not the other complete and utter bollox.)
 

clout

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#66
Kyrgios just won Mexico by beating:
Seppi in R1
Rafa in R2
Wawrinka in QF
Isner in SF
Zverev in F

Ngl, that was very impressive from the Aussie. Again, he certainly has the ability to win some majors and other big titles, but his consistency and focus will be his biggest hurdle. He showed again that whenever he’s focused and has his act together, he’s one of the toughest players in the game to beat
 
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