Is Kyrgios the most overrated player in ATP?

He was a real force to be reckoned with a couple years ago but now he’s definitely declined. His fitness and movement have become sloppy, he’s lost the ability to hang in points.
 
Kyrgios could always play dubs with Sock if the grind of the singles tour is too much for him.

He's a wasted talent. And obviously over-rated because people still hype him up as a threat at majors.
 
BrokenGears said:
nick should retire
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He's 23, he still has time. When Annacone, McEnroe and Roddick all say he's the most talented player on tour aside from Fed, that tells you something. And yes, he needs more than talent, he needs coaching, a work ethic and results on court. If someone like Stan can peak at age 29-31, there is a wan hope Nick can get his act together within the next 6 years. I still think he has a greater shot to win Wimbledon in 2019-20 than Thiem has to win RG.
 
Phoenix1983 said:
Not really - because no one rates him that highly.
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Well, tell that to these ATG's, who strongly disagree.

McEnroe: "“Nick to me is the most talented tennis player of the last 10 years I’ve seen, since Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Federer. He’s an incredible talent."

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...-novak-djokovic-rafa-nadal-john-a8426936.html

Chris Evert: "Nick Kyrgios has a level of talent perhaps never seen before."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-...nt-to-another-level-says-chris-evert/10155000

Annacone: (non-ATG, obviously)

“I think Nick is the most talented player since Roger jumped on the scene.”
 
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BeatlesFan said:
He's 23, he still has time. When Annacone, McEnroe and Roddick all say he's the most talented player on tour aside from Fed, that tells you something. And yes, he needs more than talent, he needs coaching, a work ethic and results on court. If someone like Stan can peak at age 29-31, there is a wan hope Nick can get his act together within the next 6 years. I still think he has a greater shot to win Wimbledon in 2019-20 than Thiem has to win RG.
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He’s said before if he wins a grand slam he would retire
 
Ann said:
He's ranked 27th.

I don't think he's overrated just underperforming. He should be a mainstay in the top 10 and a GS victory is conceivable, if he ever gets his act together.
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I meant overrated in the sense than people always talk about him so highly and like he was the next big thing (winning slams etc...), but he has not shown this potential yet. except for a few exceptions when he was younger. His ranking is low for someone so much talked about. There are players in the top 10 you rarely hear about, and who are much less hyped than Kyrgios.
 
MeatTornado said:
I'm just really tired of people hyping him up as some sort of giant slayer. "He always brings his A-game against the top guys." "He loves the big stage." "He thrives in this kind of environment." etc, etc.

The guy can be scary to play, but his record against the top guys is so blown out of proportion. His one win vs Fed was on clay in 2015, since then he's 0-5 if we count the Laver Cup. His two wins against Novak came during the worst stretch of his career. He's a huge server with 2 wins against Nadal on very fast courts, so not exactly shocking there. And his only win against Andy was in 2018.

People still treat him like an 18 year old with great potential. Where any good showing is hopeful that he can put it together. He won't. This is peak Kyrgios we're seeing right now, and he can't even take a set off 37 year old Fed. It's as good as things are going to get, because his career is rapidly going to spiral out of control sooner than later once these injuries become more than just nagging pains.
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Sad but true. Nick seems more interested to play games on his PS4 than practicing hard to improve physically and mentally. Didn't he say once that just before a big match he was playing games... Wow!
 
tennisaddict said:
25 posts in this thread and not even one has mentioned the number of injuries he has had that has derailed his career.

If he was in good physical condition, he could have been more successful
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Injuries come from poor physical conditioning. At this level, players have to spend a lot of time doing physical training besides hitting balls on the court. If you don't injuries come easily.
 
Raindogs said:
The boy just ain't right in the head.
He will retire with a career on par with another shotmaker and mental midget, Henri LeConte.
At least that guy made it to a slam final, something it's hard to imagine our lad Nicky doing.
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Yes, but at least Leconte was entertaining on and off the court. He is still a showman, I saw him play in the seniors tour with JMac,
and it was the most fun I've seen in the seniors tour ever.
 
Red Rick said:
In terms of talent?

Yes, undoubtedly.
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Accomplishment wise, I would say NO. What has he won? Winning two matches against Novak an one against Roger and Rafa is almost useless if he did not win a tournament. He seems to be physically and mentally unfit to be a significant champion
 
watched the Gasquet-Kyrgios match in Tokyo yesterday, and the guy is amazingly talented for sure and he is a serving machine! But, he just couldn't have cared less, he played like it was an exhibition. He was only interested in hitting aces and winners, no rallies whatsoever. It was weird match to watch, entertaining but somehow empty, without substance. I wonder if Kyrgios is going to become a permanent exhibition man or clown of the tour, or if he will manage to put his head together and become a real pro... Kyrgios even makes Monfils look like a hardcore pro :)
 
He might make one or two semi's in his career.

Oh but people on this site tear down Federer because he lost to Kyrgios once LOL!
 
YourMajesty said:
watched the Gasquet-Kyrgios match in Tokyo yesterday, and the guy is amazingly talented for sure and he is a serving machine! But, he just couldn't have cared less, he played like it was an exhibition. ...
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The only honest guy in the draw, Nick Kyrgios.
 
Safin actually trained hard at times but he was a total head case. Kyrgios hasn't developed his groundstrokes, his transition game, his return of serve he is a complete mess and yet still his talent is clear. It is so sad to see someone with his skill be satisfied with 4-5 mil a year with endorsements
 
Eh. I think we all recognized his talent right away and assumed that he would combine it with increased fitness and training. Like how Murray broke out onto the scene very quickly as a scrawny kid and bulked up and became one of the fittest players on the tour right away. Kyrgios hasnt at all done this. So I think we are seeing that talent just doesnt mean that much if you dont combine it with fitness and high level training. I dont think his level of talent is exaggerated at all. He is probably one of the most talented players to not take his career seriously at all. Even Safin, despite his stereotype, trained hard and did what was necessary to be a top player for the first several years on tour. Id keep in mind that Kyrgios hasnt played that much this year because of injuries. But id relate that to him just not being fit enough.
 
Bukowski said:
Eh. I think we all recognized his talent right away and assumed that he would combine it with increased fitness and training. Like how Murray broke out onto the scene very quickly as a scrawny kid and bulked up and became one of the fittest players on the tour right away. Kyrgios hasnt at all done this. So I think we are seeing that talent just doesnt mean that much if you dont combine it with fitness and high level training. I dont think his level of talent is exaggerated at all. He is probably one of the most talented players to not take his career seriously at all. Even Safin, despite his stereotype, trained hard and did what was necessary to be a top player for the first several years on tour. Id keep in mind that Kyrgios hasnt played that much this year because of injuries. But id relate that to him just not being fit enough.
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It's a bit up in the air whether injuries are the cause of him not playing much. Kyrgios skipped the mandatory clay masters (as well as Monte Carlo) citing injury. When the clay season was over he then said he doesn't think playing on clay is really tennis, it's more about fitness and you don't get rewarded properly for shot making. I'm not sure his extended absence had anything to do with injury.
 
reaper said:
It's a bit up in the air whether injuries are the cause of him not playing much. Kyrgios skipped the mandatory clay masters (as well as Monte Carlo) citing injury. When the clay season was over he then said he doesn't think playing on clay is really tennis, it's more about fitness and you don't get rewarded properly for shot making. I'm not sure his extended absence had anything to do with injury.
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I understand not taking his words at face value. But he skipped basically the entire clay season save for Houston where his movement looked impaired. He played only doubles in Geneva, and retired in Atlanta early in the summer. I certainly think he has had an injury hampered season, only played 12 events. But again, i believe in his case the injuries are caused by his lack of fitness. Hes a bigger guy and they are usually more prone to injuries. It could cause his career to end early if he doesnt change his training regiment in the near future.
 
Gary Duane said:
https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/return-games-won/all/all/all/

Any player who does not show up in this list is highly unlikely to win more than one major, and usually not even one. He's at around 17%, and that's just not good enough. If that stat does not improve, he'll just be in the top 10 or top 20, at best, in the future.
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It feels weird to see Patrick McEnroe ahead of Roger Federer, beating him by 0.01%... tennis is such a sport of small margins :) I guess that's the second best accomplishment of his tennis career, the first being JMac's brother ;)
 
YourMajesty said:
watched the Gasquet-Kyrgios match in Tokyo yesterday, and the guy is amazingly talented for sure and he is a serving machine! But, he just couldn't have cared less, he played like it was an exhibition. He was only interested in hitting aces and winners, no rallies whatsoever. It was weird match to watch, entertaining but somehow empty, without substance. I wonder if Kyrgios is going to become a permanent exhibition man or clown of the tour, or if he will manage to put his head together and become a real pro... Kyrgios even makes Monfils look like a hardcore pro :)
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Just such an empty match, he focussed on holding his own serve and then just played hit and miss not really putting anything together to break. Just horrible to watch the waste.

Gasquet-Kyrgios have history in that they met before on grass with Kyrgios querying something with Gasquet and he got some good Gallic yelling/bolloking in reply!
 
BeatlesFan said:
He's 23, he still has time. When Annacone, McEnroe and Roddick all say he's the most talented player on tour aside from Fed, that tells you something. And yes, he needs more than talent, he needs coaching, a work ethic and results on court. If someone like Stan can peak at age 29-31, there is a wan hope Nick can get his act together within the next 6 years. I still think he has a greater shot to win Wimbledon in 2019-20 than Thiem has to win RG.
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Wawrinka always had more game than Nick.

And please, Stan is just one guy. Just because he did it, doesn't mean everyone will.
 
His talent is way overrated. Talentwise only federer, djokovic, nadal, murray and del potro are outstanding/great talents. Others are clearly below.
 
MeatTornado said:
I'm just really tired of people hyping him up as some sort of giant slayer. "He always brings his A-game against the top guys." "He loves the big stage." "He thrives in this kind of environment." etc, etc.

The guy can be scary to play, but his record against the top guys is so blown out of proportion. His one win vs Fed was on clay in 2015, since then he's 0-5 if we count the Laver Cup. His two wins against Novak came during the worst stretch of his career. He's a huge server with 2 wins against Nadal on very fast courts, so not exactly shocking there. And his only win against Andy was in 2018.

People still treat him like an 18 year old with great potential. Where any good showing is hopeful that he can put it together. He won't. This is peak Kyrgios we're seeing right now, and he can't even take a set off 37 year old Fed. It's as good as things are going to get, because his career is rapidly going to spiral out of control sooner than later once these injuries become more than just nagging pains.
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Also his only win against Murray was literally Murrays second competitive match in 15 months after his injuries.

His win ratio against top 10 players is decreasing every year. He doesn't beat players ranked 3-10 very often
 
YourMajesty said:
I used to be a big fan of Kyrgios when he started on tour. Even before all the hype, I saw him play at US Open when he was 17 and a totally new face and I was sure he was the real deal. Well after making the semis at Wimbly 3 or 4 years ago, he has done nothing at all since then. Such a great talent, but obviously no work ethics and constantly injured (likely due to poor physical conditioning). He seems to be happy to be a top 25 player. Gee, even Monfils (another clown) had enough motivation and will to reach the top 10.

It saddens me to say this but I believe Kyrgios is way overrated as a player. Sure he can blasts amazing FH and serves, but he cannot win. Federer toyed with him during the Laver Cup, it wasn't even funny. How a 37 yo player (OK, this is the GOAT but still) can make a 23 yo look slow? This is pathetic, and Kyrgios is just a curiosity on tour, an attraction due to his antics and bad attitude, not a potential great such as Zverev or Shapovalov. No wonder McEnroe selected him to play in LC, this is showtime baby, but he got trashed in no time in singles. My 2 cents.
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He has the physical athleticism to be one of the worlds best, but tennis takes more than just strength and height. I think one day he could blossom. He might not though. I dont really care though because his “look at me im an og thug who made it to the atp and i put on nike dunks after my matches because im a baller” act is kind of pathetic and makes me feel like hes got nothing going on upstairs.
 
YourMajesty said:
Is Kyrgios the most overrated player in ATP?
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NoleFam said:
It's his movement and footwork that is his main weakness. He has an amazing serve and good forehand but when that serve is not clicking, like it wasn't against Federer in Laver Cup or the USO, he can't really hurt great baseliners who have a good return game. Nishikori and Federer both took him apart in the last two Slams from the baseline.
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His serve was working...Federer made it look like it wasn’t working.
 
BeatlesFan said:
He's 23, he still has time. When Annacone, McEnroe and Roddick all say he's the most talented player on tour aside from Fed, that tells you something. And yes, he needs more than talent, he needs coaching, a work ethic and results on court. If someone like Stan can peak at age 29-31, there is a wan hope Nick can get his act together within the next 6 years. I still think he has a greater shot to win Wimbledon in 2019-20 than Thiem has to win RG.
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Stan reached the top 10 in 2009 when he was 23
 
thrust said:
Nick played out of his mind in those two wins over Novak. His serve was incredible in those two matches. He has done very little since then.
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Don't be silly! We all know when Novak plays at least at 70% he can return anyone's serves! Nick's nothing special! His return game was just lame!
 
Seriously, I don't know what's going on with Kyrgios right now, but he looks seriously depressive. I watched the match vs Klahn yesterday and man... what was that all about? Nick plays ATP matches like on a Sunday morning practice! He only hits aces and winning serves, and doesn't even try to play any exchange, he jumps to the service line on nearly every second serve (and loses the point most of the time)... Someone needs to have a good serious talk with him, Mac are you listening?

Glad for Brad though, it's a great win for him and it's good to see him back after too many injuries.
 
Over-hyped, entitled and excused, but not over-rated. He has talent. He just has no clue how to be a professional and sue his talent.
 
tennisaddict said:
25 posts in this thread and not even one has mentioned the number of injuries he has had that has derailed his career.

If he was in good physical condition, he could have been more successful
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Autodidactic player said:
If he was in good physical condition, he wouldn't be injured so often.
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Even talking to amateur players who had a good shot at competition - they talk about getting stopped short by injury.

If a professional like Kyrgios doesn't know/understand this by now then he has not got his head screwed on.

One of the most important things he has to do is guard/train against injury, otherwise there will be no career. None.
 
mike danny said:
Not everyone can be Wawrinka. If people could stop bringing him up that would be great.
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I didn’t say everyone could reach his peak at 29. But if a player did it then maybe some other players can do it too. It’s not like Wawrinka’s the Chosen One or something.
 
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