Agreed too, but also like it noted that of her 11 Aus Open slam victories that I think 4 of them were only 3 or 4 matches all up? And over half of them she never faced a player that wasn’t from Australia because nobody could afford the money or time to travel down here. So it really inflated her numbers.. facts need to be laid out
It would take a lot of work to look at the "quality" of each and every draw.
And these 8 WTA finals were when women still played 5 best of sets in the final.
Djokovic is the GOAT in singles. Martina would be the GOAT overall, you can't discount doubles, they are the part of the sport.
They're not really part of the sport. They are their own category. Does anyone put McEnroe above Borg because of his doubles record? They are evaluated separately. The only way in which it should be considered is that Martina won singles slams while also playing doubles at the same tournament, which is of course hugely impressive. But the number of doubles slams alone doesn't make he the GOAT IMO
If they are not part of the sport why do we have doubles and mixed doubles in slams and Olympics?
They are of course all tennis but singles tennis is a different game from doubles. There's a reason that very few of the top singles players give any real focus to doubles tennis, and largely vice versa
Court has more slams than her, both in singles and overall.
The separation of singles and doubles is a trend that started in the 1990s. Before Bolletieri, most top singles players had also very good results in doubles.
Agreed too, but also like it noted that of her 11 Aus Open slam victories that I think 4 of them were only 3 or 4 matches all up? And over half of them she never faced a player that wasn’t from Australia because nobody could afford the money or time to travel down here. So it really inflated her numbers.. facts need to be laid out
But Court start playing before the open era and is not as woke as Martina.
You are a wise guy . This is 100% the correct answer.
What is that supposed to mean?
If woke is more relevant than actual ability we may as well declare Aussie Darcy GOAT.
I would add also Hingis to this what ifs list.
He means how many were slams where she only won 4 matches
Agree here. Seles could have been a 14-15 slam winner imho. Too bad that tragic, disgusting attack happened.
I know but he wrote it wrong. 4 slam victories doesn’t make sense.
What exactly happened to her which was even remotely close to what happened to Seles or Connolly?
Evert did not have anywhere near the same focus on doubles as Navratilova. Nor did Graf. But even if we grant that doubles used to be prioritised on a similar level, should Graf and Serena be penalised because the attitude had shifted by the time they played?
@Jason Swerve can illuminate this complex issue.
If he isn’t behind bars already for violating his court order to not come close to Hingis or Kournikova.
Graf played a lot of doubles. Graf/ Sabatini were quite successful for a while.
Sergio Tacchini tennis shoes and cocaine, as far as I remember.
Not with the same priority she played singles. She missed most of the 90s slams in doubles
Agreed. I might also add Pauline Betz to this list.
Graf says Hi.22 Slams and the Golden Calendar Slam.
Graf is overall GOAT and it is undisputed. 22 Slams and a Golden Calendar Slam. Its not even close. There is a debate on the mens side, but if we add in the women to this there is no dispute. Graf has this and likely always will as well.
I don't see how it's undisputed when Court has 24 Majors and a calendar-year Grand Slam while Serena has 23 Majors and 2 non-calendar year Grand Slams, with both of them also having much more doubles success than Graf. And that's not even getting into 17 year-old Seles taking the WTA throne away from Graf and looking better than ever at age 19 before she was stabbed or the Navratilova stats across disciplines posted here.
Doubles cannot be included in a GOAT discussion that is absurd. Non-calendar slams mean nothing, the Calendar Slam is the Grand Slam. Graf's was greater than Court's as on 3 surfaces.
Forgot about evert too, chuck her in there too a tad below her imo. Some insane stats.
Yes, Graf upset the apple cart when both Evert and Navratilova were older than Graf was when she retired.
