Is Medvedev a student of the Novak Djokovic school of thought?

REKX

Rookie
As a Federer and Nadal fan, Djokovic for some reason not so much especially when you consider the type of matches Federer and Nadal produced in their primes, like WImbledon 2008. Although I think Djokovic has the best chance of the three to end up with the most slams.

It's nice to see with Medvedev that one of the new guys putting some sort of streak together on a surface (other than say Thiem on clay).

To me, it feels like Federer and Nadal are aggressive in their play, especially the Nadal of the last two-three years, forcing players out of the courts.

With Djokovic, it seems like the mentality is try not to lose the point whereas Federer Nadal have a try to win the point.

I'm not hating it, but I think Medvedev has that type of play, and it's almost guaranteed to win you slams because you just break an opponent down. Consider Tsitsipas, probably the most Federer like player of the next gen, very aggressive, attacking nice play, but Medvedev has a 5-0 head to head against him and I would suspect that matchup advantage probably will stay during both of their whole careers - and we should have a lot of games between them over the next 10 years.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
As a Federer and Nadal fan, Djokovic for some reason not so much especially when you consider the type of matches Federer and Nadal produced in their primes, like WImbledon 2008. Although I think Djokovic has the best chance of the three to end up with the most slams.

It's nice to see with Medvedev that one of the new guys putting some sort of streak together on a surface (other than say Thiem on clay).

To me, it feels like Federer and Nadal are aggressive in their play, especially the Nadal of the last two-three years, forcing players out of the courts.

With Djokovic, it seems like the mentality is try not to lose the point whereas Federer Nadal have a try to win the point.

I'm not hating it, but I think Medvedev has that type of play, and it's almost guaranteed to win you slams because you just break an opponent down. Consider Tsitsipas, probably the most Federer like player of the next gen, very aggressive, attacking nice play, but Medvedev has a 5-0 head to head against him and I would suspect that matchup advantage probably will stay during both of their whole careers - and we should have a lot of games between them over the next 10 years.
Nadal these days is more aggressive than the wily Djoko 2.0. Medvedev has a very similar formula and feel to this conservative, wily Djokovic version who had until recently won 4 of 5 slams.

The difference for Medvedev will be that Federer is quite likely to be a thorn in his side. Right now they won't be playing each other since they'll be 3rd and 4th seeds. Fed skips Paris. They could play at WTF SF stage or beyond. Australian Open probably can only happen in final unless Medvedev goes gangbusters until then and Djokovic gets the worst draws possible.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
I don't know why you have to bring Djokovic into this, and I certainly don't know what makes you think Nadal is any more aggressive than Djokovic, but yes, Medvedev is naturally a pretty passive player when in his comfort zone. For me what makes him so great is that we have seen more than once on this run he's on when he has been forced to come out of that shell he has done it in sublime fashion.

Against Djokovic in Cincinnati he was forced into a position where he had to play big, first strike tennis, he did it, and he won. Against Nadal in the US Open final he was being totally outclassed from the back of the court in the first two sets, and so was forced into coming forward, into being more aggressive, and he did it, and he took the match to 5.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
As a Federer and Nadal fan, Djokovic for some reason not so much especially when you consider the type of matches Federer and Nadal produced in their primes, like WImbledon 2008. Although I think Djokovic has the best chance of the three to end up with the most slams.

It's nice to see with Medvedev that one of the new guys putting some sort of streak together on a surface (other than say Thiem on clay).

To me, it feels like Federer and Nadal are aggressive in their play, especially the Nadal of the last two-three years, forcing players out of the courts.

With Djokovic, it seems like the mentality is try not to lose the point whereas Federer Nadal have a try to win the point.

I'm not hating it, but I think Medvedev has that type of play, and it's almost guaranteed to win you slams because you just break an opponent down. Consider Tsitsipas, probably the most Federer like player of the next gen, very aggressive, attacking nice play, but Medvedev has a 5-0 head to head against him and I would suspect that matchup advantage probably will stay during both of their whole careers - and we should have a lot of games between them over the next 10 years.
Don't undersell Tsitsipas, he got Medvedev to 0-40 later in their first set in Shanghai. Tsitsipas is as smart as Medvedev with more tools so he has a chance to find a way later this year.
 

Purplemonster

Hall of Fame
As a Federer and Nadal fan, Djokovic for some reason not so much especially when you consider the type of matches Federer and Nadal produced in their primes, like WImbledon 2008. Although I think Djokovic has the best chance of the three to end up with the most slams.

It's nice to see with Medvedev that one of the new guys putting some sort of streak together on a surface (other than say Thiem on clay).

To me, it feels like Federer and Nadal are aggressive in their play, especially the Nadal of the last two-three years, forcing players out of the courts.

With Djokovic, it seems like the mentality is try not to lose the point whereas Federer Nadal have a try to win the point.

I'm not hating it, but I think Medvedev has that type of play, and it's almost guaranteed to win you slams because you just break an opponent down. Consider Tsitsipas, probably the most Federer like player of the next gen, very aggressive, attacking nice play, but Medvedev has a 5-0 head to head against him and I would suspect that matchup advantage probably will stay during both of their whole careers - and we should have a lot of games between them over the next 10 years.
You referring to the 2019 AO ??
 

Zoid

Professional
I actually think Medvedev is more passive than any of the big four guys. He has such amazing reach and end range power that he is just baiting guys to try and hit lines and as we are finding out not many guys can do that. Coupled with his unorthodox and large serve he is tricky, consistent, and fit. Working well on hard and indoors and I suspect he will adapt it even better next year on clay although that will be his weakest surface fo sure.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
As a Sock and Busta fan, I find Medvedev to be the real deal among the younger players. He can stay with the best from the baseline and can out-serve them at will. He is also very tough mentally which has allowed him to overcome in form players like Tsitsipas at Shanghai Masters. I can definitely see him win a few Slams in coming years.
 

Chadalina

Legend
Djok is counterpuncher like murray, nadal is an offensive front runner (counterpunches until then), Med is aggressive like Fed
 

mightyrick

Legend
I'm not hating it, but I think Medvedev has that type of play, and it's almost guaranteed to win you slams because you just break an opponent down.
Medvedev has correctly calculated that there are three keys to winning in today's game: 1) Excellent movement, 2) Highly consistent, and 3) Great serve. He's always had #1 and #3, but #2 did not come around until early this year. I'm not sure what the "Djokovic school of thought" is. Djokovic is an all-time great. (In my opinion, the greatest player in the Open Era).

Zverev said it plainly in his post-match interviews. Medvedev is unlike any other player on tour. Outside of consistency (which isnt' actually that rare), I personally don't see any other similarities. Medvedev's extremely flat trajectory shot, combined with middle-of-the-road pace, and his standing so far behind the baseline gives him a HUGE amount of time to measure his shots.

Here's the real kicker. The solution to beating Medvedev is easy: come to net. His flat shots combined with hitting so far behind the baseline are a dream for net players. Unfortunately, nobody on tour outside of Federer and Nadal has enough net skill to actually beat him at the net. So Medvedev is going to be successful for a very long time to come.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Medvedev has far too much variety in terms of pace and rhythm of play to be similar to Djokovic, not to mention he hits far flatter and stands further back behind the baseline during rallies than any of the Big 3
 

nov

New User
Why create topics like this and say things which u didnt have clue at all?I mean seriously wtf, you can like Nadal, Federer or whatever and can hate Djokovic or whatever, but say things like Nadal more aggresive than Djokovic, its total ******** man. Get yourself together and enjoy beautiful tennis while this era still going on ;)
 

TennisFan3

Legend
To me, it feels like Federer and Nadal are aggressive in their play, especially the Nadal of the last two-three years, forcing players out of the courts.
With Djokovic, it seems like the mentality is try not to lose the point whereas Federer Nadal have a try to win the point.
Djokovic has ALWAYS been more aggressive than Nadal. Always has and always will be.
Djokovic has a BIGGER serve, far more offensive ROS, better backhand, better change of direction. Against this Nadal only has a better forehand.
And these days, arguably, Novak's forehand is even more effective than Fedal.

In terms of aggression: Fed >> Djokovic> Nadal
 

REKX

Rookie
Djokovic has ALWAYS been more aggressive than Nadal. Always has and always will be.
Djokovic has a BIGGER serve, far more offensive ROS, better backhand, better change of direction. Against this Nadal only has a better forehand.
And these days, arguably, Novak's forehand is even more effective than Fedal.

In terms of aggression: Fed >> Djokovic> Nadal
Have you not seen Djokovic, especially recently? He wins slams by keeping the ball in play.

And you are arguing Djokovic forehand is more effective than both Federer and Nadal? Please tell me you are not serious.
 

TennisFan3

Legend
And you are arguing Djokovic forehand is more effective than both Federer and Nadal? Please tell me you are not serious.
I said "NOW"
Peak Fed's forehand is the deadlies, followed by peak prime Nadal. So yeah Prime Fedal forehand > Novak forehand.
However, now, Novak's forehand generally is more consistent. Watch Nadal vs Novak AO 2019 or Fed vs Novak Wimb 2019 or any of the recent fedal vs Novak encounters.
Overall, Djokovic is close to his prime, where Fed and Nadal are far from it. Their forehand doesn't have the same zip and accuracy of the past.
 

chic

Rookie
At least watching it I feel like Medvedev and Djokovic can feel similar to one another because they both play a bit more by taking time away from the opponent than fedal.

Djokovic by stepping in and hitting on the rise and Medvedev with the flatter shots.

And since camera angles don't give a great view of shot arc during the rally the "effect" while watching is that it comes across as a steady, consistent, but less weapon heavy game. At least to me
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Medvedev has a sports psychologist and she grounds him in the works of the ancient Chinese Shaolin monks who created the earliest versions of physical confrontation that has now evolved into Kung Fu. His “guru” is Parisian Francisca Dauzet.
 

aditya123

Semi-Pro
Have you not seen Djokovic, especially recently? He wins slams by keeping the ball in play.

And you are arguing Djokovic forehand is more effective than both Federer and Nadal? Please tell me you are not serious.
I have to agree with this, Djokovic is the best in keeping the ball in play....
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
What was Daniil ranked at Stefanos age? Give Stefanos time and he will begin to flip the script.
Nyah, the fans are in so much of a rush! You see how people expect Nole to surpass all of Federer's #'s even though Roger has almost 6 years on the guy! It's all about the fan and not the "player" on this board and all others I frequent! :-D
 

Rogfan

Semi-Pro
Medvedev has correctly calculated that there are three keys to winning in today's game: 1) Excellent movement, 2) Highly consistent, and 3) Great serve. He's always had #1 and #3, but #2 did not come around until early this year. I'm not sure what the "Djokovic school of thought" is. Djokovic is an all-time great. (In my opinion, the greatest player in the Open Era).

Zverev said it plainly in his post-match interviews. Medvedev is unlike any other player on tour. Outside of consistency (which isnt' actually that rare), I personally don't see any other similarities. Medvedev's extremely flat trajectory shot, combined with middle-of-the-road pace, and his standing so far behind the baseline gives him a HUGE amount of time to measure his shots.

Here's the real kicker. The solution to beating Medvedev is easy: come to net. His flat shots combined with hitting so far behind the baseline are a dream for net players. Unfortunately, nobody on tour outside of Federer and Nadal has enough net skill to actually beat him at the net. So Medvedev is going to be successful for a very long time to come.
Well Tsitsi almost made it a match in the Shanghai semis with his high risk tennis and net play. I feel he only came short due to his lack of clutchness at crucial moments and letting the 0-4 get to him. I can’t wait to see Fed plays Med again! Hopefully in WTF
 

weakera

Legend
Nyah, the fans are in so much of a rush! You see how people expect Nole to surpass all of Federer's #'s even though Roger has almost 6 years on the guy! It's all about the fan and not the "player" on this board and all others I frequent! :-D
This is a very what have you done for me lately kind of board. Djokodalerer have all been written off a dozen times by the peanut gallery here.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
This is a very "what have you done for me lately" kind of board. Djokodalerer have all been written off a dozen times by the peanut gallery here.
I spend a lot of time on You Tube and when Nole went on that tear last year, the commentators went NUTZ! It was like Djokovic became GAWD and could go into "BEAST-mode" at will to annihilate all opposition! They used that 2019 AO final where he wiped out Nadal as the prime example of how great he is now and how he'll overtake all the records of Fedal! Then they pulled all the fabulous "gets" and "comeback" clips together making compilation videos! They of course concentrate on Nole's "rise from the grave" in those 2 USO SF's over Roger and Wimbledon this past summer! Having 2 MP's in each of those matches has to haunt a person; esp. when it's being repeated and relived over and over again! :rolleyes:
 
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I actually think Medvedev is more passive than any of the big four guys. He has such amazing reach and end range power that he is just baiting guys to try and hit lines and as we are finding out not many guys can do that. Coupled with his unorthodox and large serve he is tricky, consistent, and fit. Working well on hard and indoors and I suspect he will adapt it even better next year on clay although that will be his weakest surface fo sure.
Yeah, I really don't see how he is like Djokovic given he is very comfortable retreating way behind the baseline. And unlike Nadal, he doesn't use a deep position to pummel killer forehands. Out of the Big Four, he is most like Murray but really he is like a Giles Simon with a huge serve. Note his relatively low topspin rate too.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Out of the Big Four, he is most like Murray but really he is like a Giles Simon
He's nothing like Simon and Murray for the same reason he isn't like Djokovic. He rallies 3 meters behind the baseline. Coupled with the fact that he has finishing power off both sides to change direction and hit winners from that far behind the baseline.

I don't know how many times I've seen him hit that DTL forehand or backhand shot for a clean winner. He made Zverev look stupid with that shot.

If anything, he's actually more like Thiem than anyone else. Certainly not with regards to shot mechanics and consistency. But in terms of court positioning and movement and serve and DTL finishing shots... definitely.
 
He's nothing like Simon and Murray for the same reason he isn't like Djokovic. He rallies 3 meters behind the baseline. Coupled with the fact that he has finishing power off both sides to change direction and hit winners from that far behind the baseline.

I don't know how many times I've seen him hit that DTL forehand or backhand shot for a clean winner. He made Zverev look stupid with that shot.

If anything, he's actually more like Thiem than anyone else. Certainly not with regards to shot mechanics and consistency. But in terms of court positioning and movement and serve and DTL finishing shots... definitely.
I don't remember Simon taking up a very aggressive court position or being particularly amazing at hitting on the rise. And no, I don't think he is anything like Thiem at all. Thiem wants to absolutely brutalise the opponent with HUGE groundies and massive spin. Medvedev varies a pace a heck of a lot more than Thiem and his preferred shot is hit at 70% or so of the power he can actually generate because he wants the sudden injection of power to surprise as it should. In short, he is tactically much smarter than Thiem, no comparison.
 

Zoid

Professional
Yeah, I really don't see how he is like Djokovic given he is very comfortable retreating way behind the baseline. And unlike Nadal, he doesn't use a deep position to pummel killer forehands. Out of the Big Four, he is most like Murray but really he is like a Giles Simon with a huge serve. Note his relatively low topspin rate too.
gilles simon with a big serve is spot on.
 

King No1e

Legend
As a Federer and Nadal fan, Djokovic for some reason not so much especially when you consider the type of matches Federer and Nadal produced in their primes, like WImbledon 2008. Although I think Djokovic has the best chance of the three to end up with the most slams.

It's nice to see with Medvedev that one of the new guys putting some sort of streak together on a surface (other than say Thiem on clay).

To me, it feels like Federer and Nadal are aggressive in their play, especially the Nadal of the last two-three years, forcing players out of the courts.

With Djokovic, it seems like the mentality is try not to lose the point whereas Federer Nadal have a try to win the point.

I'm not hating it, but I think Medvedev has that type of play, and it's almost guaranteed to win you slams because you just break an opponent down. Consider Tsitsipas, probably the most Federer like player of the next gen, very aggressive, attacking nice play, but Medvedev has a 5-0 head to head against him and I would suspect that matchup advantage probably will stay during both of their whole careers - and we should have a lot of games between them over the next 10 years.
Djokovic is more aggressive than Nadal. He actually tries to win the point, Nadal tries to wear down the opponent with vicious spin and consistency.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is more aggressive than Nadal. He actually tries to win the point, Nadal tries to wear down the opponent with vicious spin and consistency.
Some have it in their minds that Nadal is being aggressive and is doing "more" than just keeping the ball in play! Like's been said, these idiots are so far behind the baseline they're dodging linesmen and ball balls! It's ridiculous; more like BORG from an era long gone! It's obscene to compare Djokovic with any of these clowns since he's standing on the baseline running an opponent to death from side and side, then has that added sweetener of a disguised dropper! ;)
 

King No1e

Legend
Some have it in their minds that Nadal is being aggressive and is doing "more" than just keeping the ball in play! Like's been said, these idiots are so far behind the baseline they're dodging linesmen and ball balls! It's ridiculous; more like BORG from an era long gone! It's obscene to compare Djokovic with any of these clowns since he's standing on the baseline running an opponent to death from side and side, then has that added sweetener of a disguised dropper! ;)
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
oTHA kOODIS ... Medvedev is the most promising prospect with YounGen. Make no mistake about it. Let's see how he does at AO 2020.
 

Zoid

Professional
He's nothing like Simon and Murray for the same reason he isn't like Djokovic. He rallies 3 meters behind the baseline. Coupled with the fact that he has finishing power off both sides to change direction and hit winners from that far behind the baseline.

I don't know how many times I've seen him hit that DTL forehand or backhand shot for a clean winner. He made Zverev look stupid with that shot.

If anything, he's actually more like Thiem than anyone else. Certainly not with regards to shot mechanics and consistency. But in terms of court positioning and movement and serve and DTL finishing shots... definitely.
....Incorrect. Thiem is one of the most inpatient players I've ever witnessed on a hardcourt, not to mention the spin difference on their groundies. He doesn't have the finishing power of thiem, and I'd wager in fact that his average groundstroke speed is middle-of-the-pack numbers for the top 50 guys. I watched this guy grind ryan harrison into the ground at AO this year with deep flat groundies and patience. Thiem tries to wind up and crush everything.

COurt position is about the only thing they have in common
 

weakera

Legend
Medevedev doesn't yet have the ability to turn defense instantly into offense as consistently as Djokodal. He is amazing with his squash shot and at getting the ball back and waiting for an opportunity to gain an advantage in a rally but doesn't necessarily generate his own pace very effectively.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Medevedev doesn't yet have the ability to turn defense instantly into offense as consistently as Djokodal. He is amazing with his squash shot and at getting the ball back and waiting for an opportunity to gain an advantage in a rally but doesn't necessarily generate his own pace very effectively.
Extending rallies with these squash shots has gotten tiresome and old; esp. from Nadal! It's the reason matches have gone into extra innings with no real way of cutting them the way things are scored now! If it happened every once in a while I wouldn't object; now it's the go to thing to do by some players; even Djokovic I'm sorry to say! I pray that experiment at the Next-Gen YEC works out, but it'll take a while to fully implement it more than likely! Diehards might not want to go that radical! I think if they could speed things up a bit, it might get more fans! It might actually push the elites out faster since their superior conditioning has sustained them for so long and it might not be enough if matches can be cut in half! TB's worked out from the beginning, but even those have gotten boring IMO due to players like Isner and Doc IVO who depend on them! :unsure:
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
As a Federer and Nadal fan, Djokovic for some reason not so much especially when you consider the type of matches Federer and Nadal produced in their primes, like WImbledon 2008. Although I think Djokovic has the best chance of the three to end up with the most slams.

It's nice to see with Medvedev that one of the new guys putting some sort of streak together on a surface (other than say Thiem on clay).

To me, it feels like Federer and Nadal are aggressive in their play, especially the Nadal of the last two-three years, forcing players out of the courts.

With Djokovic, it seems like the mentality is try not to lose the point whereas Federer Nadal have a try to win the point.

I'm not hating it, but I think Medvedev has that type of play, and it's almost guaranteed to win you slams because you just break an opponent down. Consider Tsitsipas, probably the most Federer like player of the next gen, very aggressive, attacking nice play, but Medvedev has a 5-0 head to head against him and I would suspect that matchup advantage probably will stay during both of their whole careers - and we should have a lot of games between them over the next 10 years.
1. Novak and Nadal produced awesome classics, ditto Novak Roger.

2. The theory that Rafa is much more aggressive than Novak is a bit funny.

3. Novak has the LEAST chances of winning the slam race. He is 4 behind aged 32 and losing more and more to young players. He barely got Wimby.

4. The assumption that Tsetsefly will always be losing to Medvedevious is a complete guess, considering they will have long careers.

5. Medvedevious is not a pusher and neither is Novak. They build a point, because their huge variety and consistency allows them to.
 
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