Is Mohamed Lahyani the greatest coach of all time?

#5
I’ve always liked the guy, but I assume he’s umpired his last match. Giving a pep talk to a player? Kyrgios is a complete buffoon, and Lahyani probably had the best interests of tennis in mind. Still, that just isn’t OK.

The ATP and slams should lower the boom on Kyrgios when he tanks.
 

zep

Hall of Fame
#9
The pep talk didn't change the match, Kyrgios didn't really start to play better after that but Herbert choked while serving for it. But Lahyani was wrong to do it. I think he will be suspended for a period.
 
#22
I actually have no problem with what he did.

I can see why it was frowned upon. I think the players whom are mad are just mad because they dont like Nick in general.
I agree with you a bit about the negative cloud that follows Nick, but if you were watching the match and watched what Mo did, I don't see how anyone can think this was impartial.

Right before it happened, Nick was watching PHH's serves go by, without even moving for them. PHH won the game and was up 1 set and 3-0 in the second. the Crowd booed Nick because he was tanking and it looked pretty evident that he didn't give a damn and was going to retire.

Mo then gets out of his chair and talks to Nick throughout the changeover. The video is all over Twitter.

I don't think Umpires are supposed to give Pep talks to players during matches.
 
#24
I agree with you a bit about the negative cloud that follows Nick, but if you were watching the match and watched what Mo did, I don't see how anyone can think this was impartial.

Right before it happened, Nick was watching PHH's serves go by, without even moving for them. PHH won the game and was up 1 set and 3-0 in the second. the Crowd booed Nick because he was tanking and it looked pretty evident that he didn't give a damn and was going to retire.

Mo then gets out of his chair and talks to Nick throughout the changeover. The video is all over Twitter.

I don't think Umpires are supposed to give Pep talks to players during matches.
It was a mix of, Nick there are paying customers out here. And also asking if he needed the trainer.

I'm not surprised since the heat rule has been a big discussion the last three days. And Nick was on a non-roof court.
 
#25
I agree with you a bit about the negative cloud that follows Nick, but if you were watching the match and watched what Mo did, I don't see how anyone can think this was impartial.

Right before it happened, Nick was watching PHH's serves go by, without even moving for them. PHH won the game and was up 1 set and 3-0 in the second. the Crowd booed Nick because he was tanking and it looked pretty evident that he didn't give a damn and was going to retire.

Mo then gets out of his chair and talks to Nick throughout the changeover. The video is all over Twitter.

I don't think Umpires are supposed to give Pep talks to players during matches.
Sounds like nobody knows what Lahyani said?

If so, could you post it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ring-a-u-s-open-match/?utm_term=.0c9ea749d290

Kyrgios told the umpire he wasn’t feeling well and Lahyani responded, “Let me help you” in what many spectators including ESPN analyst Darren Cahill called an unfair pep talk. Kyrgios asked Layhani to call the trainer, but the No. 30 seed received no treatment when the trainer arrived on the next changeover.

To me is sounds like Lahyani was possibly asking Nick about his request to call for a trainer. Because a trainer can only be called for some things, not everything. So it looks like Lahyani was making sure it was appropriate to call for the trainer in this case and had to ask specifics from Nick. Obviously, I'm just speculating (as everyone is currently).

It was a mix of, Nick there are paying customers out here. And also asking if he needed the trainer.

I'm not surprised since the heat rule has been a big discussion the last three days. And Nick was on a non-roof court.
You beat me to it.

Not sure if what Layhani did was against the rules. Have to wait and see.
 
#26
Sounds like nobody knows what Lahyani said?

If so, could you post it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ring-a-u-s-open-match/?utm_term=.0c9ea749d290

Kyrgios told the umpire he wasn’t feeling well and Lahyani responded, “Let me help you” in what many spectators including ESPN analyst Darren Cahill called an unfair pep talk. Kyrgios asked Layhani to call the trainer, but the No. 30 seed received no treatment when the trainer arrived on the next changeover.

To me is sounds like Lahyani was possibly asking Nick about his request to call for a trainer. Because a trainer can only be called for some things, not everything. So it looks like Lahyani was making sure it was appropriate to call for the trainer in this case and had to ask specifics from Nick. Obviously, I'm just speculating (as everyone is currently).



You beat me to it.

Not sure if what Layhani did was against the rules. Have to wait and see.

Ben Rothenberg‏Verified account @BenRothenberg 2h2 hours ago


Among things Lahyani can be heard saying: "I want to help you, I want to help you." "I've seen your matches: you're great for tennis." "I can see that; I know this is not you." An umpire giving a pep talk that correlates to a reversal in a match is *insane*, even for tennis.

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helixx

Hall of Fame
#28
"I want to help you. This isn't you. I know that," Lahyani said.

Kyrgios claimed after the match that Lahyani was concerned about his medical well-being rather than his motivation in their on-court discussion.

"He was just concerned about how I was playing - he was like: 'Nick are you OK?'" said Kyrgios.

"I was like: 'Yeah everything is fine.' I just wasn't feeling great."
 

helixx

Hall of Fame
#29
#30
Ben Rothenberg‏Verified account @BenRothenberg 2h2 hours ago


Among things Lahyani can be heard saying: "I want to help you, I want to help you." "I've seen your matches: you're great for tennis." "I can see that; I know this is not you." An umpire giving a pep talk that correlates to a reversal in a match is *insane*, even for tennis.

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Just have to wait and see what the USTA says.

Perhaps Nick called for the trainer just because of the heat. Lahyani would have let him know that heat isn't an acceptable reason for a trainer visit. In this context, the quote above doesn't seem too bad. He's just telling him to keep playing even though it's hot. I'm sure this has been said more than once in the past week.

Again, just speculating.

"I want to help you. This isn't you. I know that," Lahyani said.

Kyrgios claimed after the match that Lahyani was concerned about his medical well-being rather than his motivation in their on-court discussion.

"He was just concerned about how I was playing - he was like: 'Nick are you OK?'" said Kyrgios.

"I was like: 'Yeah everything is fine.' I just wasn't feeling great."
Again, you beat me to it
 
#37
This is quite mind-boggling, to be honest. It's not an umpire's place to decide who should win a match and do everything in his power to ensure that he gets the result he wants. A 3rd round result would have been huge for Herbert, and he was clearly robbed of what looked like a very winnable match. :mad:
 
#45
Honestly, nobody would expect something like this from Lahyani. I dont think this is good if it is not sanctioned by the ATP, however after seeing USTA statement, I dont get my hopes high
And let me state that the guy is by far the best umpire in tennis. Not even close
 

Bartelby

Talk Tennis Guru
#46
The fact is that coaches coach, so whatever Lahyani said that may be encouraging was not said in the capacity of coach.

It's a pedantic point but accurate. Why pay coaches exorbitant amounts if all you need is a few words of support (about mainly fitness to play)?

The reality is that a few moments of conversation cannot constitute a coaching relationship under any sensible defiinition.
 
#47
Honestly, nobody would expect something like this from Lahyani. I dont think this is good if it is not sanctioned by the ATP, however after seeing USTA statement, I dont get my hopes high
And let me state that the guy is by far the best umpire in tennis. Not even close
What was the USTA statement?
 

Bartelby

Talk Tennis Guru
#49
A 'pep talk' could mean anything to anyone. And anyone could use words that could be interpreted as 'pep talk'.

And then you have to construe 'pep talk' as a form of coaching to even approach a problem here!
 
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