Is Murray an ATG on grass?

[Deleted member 748597]

2 Wimbledons

1 Olympic Gold on grass

5 Queens

2-0 vs the true Grass ATG

 

[Backspin1183]

Yes, on grass.

 

[Sysyphus]

The undisputed boat and also strong goat contender due to his versatile achievements

 

[Breakpointerer]

MuryGOAT, nuff said

 

[Deleted member 748597]

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Ask Djokovic.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Ask Djokovic.

Mury humiliated my guy on grass, yes.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Mury humiliated my guy on grass, yes.

And took advantage when he was humiliated by others

 

[Deleted member 748597]

And took advantage when he was humiliated by others

So Mury inflated his Wimbledon stats.

 

[Third Serve]

Possibly.

 

[MeatTornado]

It all depends on how much stock you put into his losses to other great grass courters like Federer and Nadal.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

For British standards

 

[GabeT]

Ask Djokovic.

i asked. Djokovic says that all players are ATGs in his mind

Nole also said he will never forgive Murray for beating him at Wimbledon

 

[BeatlesFan]

On grass, Muzz would be an ATG. Edberg has 2 Wimbledon titles and was one of the greatest grass champions ever, so fair's fair.

 

[RS]

His grass record is very impressive. I would say yes by all round career. By level of play you could debate it though.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

On grass, Muzz would be an ATG. Edberg has 2 Wimbledon titles and was one of the greatest grass champions ever, so fair's fair.

Edberg also had two grass AO though Murray never the chance of playing the AO on gras

 

[upchuck]

Surface all time great with two Wimbys? I don't know. Where does he rank all time on grass?

 

[Third Serve]

Surface all time great with two Wimbys? I don't know. Where does he rank all time on grass?

I’d personally put Federer, Sampras, Borg, Djokovic, Becker, Edberg, McEnroe, and possibly Connors over him as far as Open Era is concerned. Due to his Olympic Gold on grass, he might be placed over Nadal.

 

[BeatlesFan]

I’d personally put Federer, Sampras, Borg, Djokovic, Becker, Edberg, McEnroe, and possibly Connors over him as far as Open Era is concerned.

I think everyone would put the bolded names ahead of Murray since they all have more Wimbledon titles than Andy. One of them has four times the number of Wimbledon trophies as Muzz.

 

[duaneeo]

Another interesting stat: Andy made it to at least the quarters at Wimbledon for 10 consecutive years (2008 - 2017), same as Federer (2003 - 2012), and one less than Connors (1972-1982).

 

[Beckerserve]

So Mury inflated his Wimbledon stats.

Bit like Djokovic after Nadal.and Federer declined

 

[mike danny]

I’d personally put Federer, Sampras, Borg, Djokovic, Becker, Edberg, McEnroe, and possibly Connors over him as far as Open Era is concerned. Due to his Olympic Gold on grass, he might be placed over Nadal.

I disagree with the bolded part, but to each their own.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Is Murray an ATG on grass?

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Absolutely.

With the homogenisation of courts over the last couple of decades, it's hard to find a Post-Henman ATG on the pristine lawns.

It's pretty bloody embarrassing that they had to change the grass at Wimbers to accommodate the generic play of the likes of Nadal and Defaultovic.

 

[NoleFam]

Absolutely.

With the homogenisation of courts over the last couple of decades, it's hard to find a Post-Henman ATG on the pristine lawns.

It's pretty bloody embarrassing that they had to change the grass at Wimbers to accommodate the generic play of the likes of Nadal and Defaultovic.

Henman was an ATG on grass?

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Henman was an ATG on grass?

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Henman was an ATG on grass?

He's British.

 

[NoleFam]

 

[TheNachoMan]

I guess Stakhovsky is ATG too

 

[NoleFam]

He's British.

Oh yea, that's got to be it.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Just in, yes. Eleventh best of the last fifty years.

 

[RS]

Just in, yes. Eleventh best of the last fifty years.

By peak level barely top 20 correct?

 

[michael valek]

Maybe atg on grass. Not AT grass great. still love him as british.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Just in, yes. Eleventh best of the last fifty years.

He beat Oscarovic and RaoMug.

Just kidding.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Most queens titles, took the record from Boris Becker. Good quality in grass tournaments.

 

[Third Serve]

By peak level barely top 20 correct?

Would say Wimby and Olympics 2012 would help him crack top 20

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

By peak level barely top 20 correct?

Indeed, or maybe top 25. Smith, Ashe, Gerulaitis, Tanner, Curren, Cash, Stich, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Hewitt, Roddick all have an argument for higher grass peak as well. Murray's peak is probably on par with Lendl, strong but below peak big game bots. Lendl played in a bery bery tuff grass era, mury might not have won a grass slam in Lendl's place either.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

He's British.

The United Kingdom of GOAT Britain and Northern Ireland:

 

[Third Serve]

The United Kingdom of GOAT Britain and Northern Ireland:

Apparently the video is so British it isn't available in my country.

 

[Xavier G]

The term ATG can get overused a bit at times imo, but Andy would have a reasonable claim with 2 Wimbledon titles and an Olympic gold.

 

[Mainad]

So Mury inflated his Wimbledon stats.

Well, it's not like he hadn't beaten Novak at Wimby before though, is it? Big Sam just got in there first on that occasion.

 

[Mainad]

The United Kingdom of GOAT Britain and Northern Ireland:

Apparently the video is so British it isn't available in my country.

Undoubtedly the most cringeworthy British song ever.

 

[RS]

Indeed, or maybe top 25. Smith, Ashe, Gerulaitis, Tanner, Curren, Cash, Stich, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Hewitt, Roddick all have an argument for higher grass peak as well. Murray's peak is probably on par with Lendl, strong but below peak big game bots. Lendl played in a bery bery tuff grass era, mury might not have won a grass slam in Lendl's place either.

Del Potro in a next tier down?

 

[Mainad]

Del Potro in a next tier down?

Despite his exploits against the Big Guns on grass not a single one of his 22 titles came on that surface.

 

[RS]

Despite his exploits against the Big Guns on grass not a single one of his 22 titles came on that surface.

Yeah consistency wise and achievements wise no.

 

[Mainad]

Yeah consistency wise and achievements wise no.

A similar grass anomaly is Tim Henman, a 4 times semi-finalist at Wimbledon and 3 times finalist at Queen's but came away with no grass titles to his name.

 

[Third Serve]

A similar grass anomaly is Tim Henman, a 4 times semi-finalist at Wimbledon and 3 times finalist at Queen's but came away with no grass titles to his name.

Still better than a former 3rd round, eh?

 

[Mainad]

Still better than a former 3rd round, eh?

Peak Castle was an awesome sight to behold.

 

[Third Serve]

Peak Castle was an awesome sight to behold.

His Wikipedia page actually lists that third round among his other achievements:

"Castle became a professional tennis player in 1986, after completing a marketing degree whilst on an athletic scholarship in the United States. During his playing career, he was regularly ranked number one in Great Britain. In 1986 Castle reached the third round at Queens Club. He won three tour doubles titles, and was a mixed doubles finalist at the 1987 Australian Open."

 

[toby55555]

Probably and I think he could have competed well in the serve and volley era on the faster courts too.