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Bionic Poster
It's very odd that it doesn't mention that he reached the third round at the US Open the following year. A much more noteworthy achievement wouldn't you say?
It's very odd that it doesn't mention that he reached the third round at the US Open the following year. A much more noteworthy achievement wouldn't you say?
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
It does. I only took an extract.It's very odd that it doesn't mention that he reached the third round at the US Open the following year. A much more noteworthy achievement wouldn't you say?
RS
Bionic Poster
I think Oly 12 was better for Murray than Wim 12 by a bit though for a case peakhood.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Yes - just.
I'd usually say 3 grass slams required, but the Olympic title and holding the all time record of 5 Queen's titles means he belongs as a grass ATG.
I'd usually say 3 grass slams required, but the Olympic title and holding the all time record of 5 Queen's titles means he belongs as a grass ATG.
Druss
Hall of Fame
Only top 10 make ATG cut, so he just misses out.
Micheal Federer
Rookie
I always feel though that Murray should have been more of a factor at Wimbledon 2010 and even 2011 than he was.
I believe he could have won Wimbledon 3 years before he actually won it(2010)
I believe he could have won Wimbledon 3 years before he actually won it(2010)
Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
He really should have made the final in 2009 as well. Roddick played a great semi final that day, but Murray was off as well. I believe it was mathematically possible for him to become world number 1 as well, had he reached the final and beaten Federer (a huge ask of course).
Rebel-I.N.S
Hall of Fame
GOAT.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Is Wikipedia taking a subtle dig at Britain?
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
You mean Wimbledon titles?
Connors won 4 grass slam titles (1 AO, 2 Wimbledon and 1 USO) as well as Edberg (2 AO and 2 Wimbledon).
D
Deleted member 771911
Guest
How many ATGs can you have?
There have been 21 Wimbledon champs in Open era. How many can be ATG? 3 or 4?
There have been 21 Wimbledon champs in Open era. How many can be ATG? 3 or 4?
GoldenMasters
Semi-Pro
No. Olympics are overrated and 2 Wimbledon trophies are impressive but not enough. Is Nadal an ATG on grass?
I don't know I feel this era is inflated, Goran seems to me as good as Murray in skills, but due to different reasons in the past, he wasn't able to win more.
zagor
Bionic Poster
How in the heck can you even be so specific, he's #11. Do you have an excel sheet or something?
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
It's not really difficult to keep inside one's head, hm?
Federer, Sampras, Borg, Becker, Djokovic, McEnroe, Edberg, then there's also Connors, Nadal, Newcombe. Not counting Laver and Rosewall, hence the fifty years cutoff (no 1968-70). Murray no lower than 11th on grass, some would like to argue for him above Nadal and Newcombe but I won't see that.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I guess you could squeeze him in there. Has done better than Edberg at Wimb with 4 semis, 2 wins and 1 final vs 2 wins, 1 final and 3 semis.
But Becker, Nadal and Connors have done better than him at Wimb.
But Becker, Nadal and Connors have done better than him at Wimb.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
account for peak level pls
zagor
Bionic Poster
Fair enough, though I'd say borderline top 10.
Despite getting trashed against Rafa at Wimbledon a few times, he does have argument to be equal or above him on grass. Especially given his consistency there and Nadal's early round woes which don't really speak in favour of his adaptability on anything but the modern high bouncing grass.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Nads has a clearly better peak/prime level in actual modern conditions they both played though, that's gotta be valued.
To call Murray an ATG on grass is nonsense. Great, perhaps, but in no way an ATG on any surface. Laver and Rosewall were also ATG grass court players on the pro tour and in the open era.
