Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by tennisaddict, Oct 16, 2012.
yes rain helps the winner
In that case, whoever won this year's USO would have won because of the weather?
He is in terms of level. Will be interesting to see if he is in terms of consistency. He's had a great summer, but still lost to guys like Chardy this year, which you will hardly see the rest of the top 4 lose to. THe year before it was Donald Young and Bogomolov. I think in terms of peaking he is approaching Federer and Djokovic rather quickly, might even have passed Federer for good already.
No Andy Murray is still not a part of the elite group he only has one grand slam. Andy Murray is terrible on clay never won a clay ATP tour title never reached the French Open final. Murray is a step below the great Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic.
The Shanghai final proves Murray's inability to win when having match points he had 5 against Novak and blew it. Many times in Murray's career he crumbles under the pressure. At the US OPEN Murray was lucky he squeaked through and won that grand slam but he's proven he's still very inconsistent.
The reason Murray has generated a lot of press is because he's from a western nation and the western media want one of their own on top.
Murray is a solid player nobody is disputing this fact BUT he is still not as consistent as Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, and Novak Djokovic. Murray has NEVER been number one and I doubt Murray would hold the number one ranking for long.
Murray is still a bit inconsistent he can still lose early while the top 3 are more solid.
How many Slams have you won by getting "lucky" and squeaking through? Why didn't Rosol get lucky? Why didn't Tsonga? Why didn't Berdych? Why just Murray?
Actually, Murray is 3-2 v Djokovic in Masters finals and 2-0 v Federer. His failure to convert those match points in Shanghai was highly unusual. It was definitely the exception, not the rule. You don't get to win 24 titles including this year a grand slam and an Olympic gold medal by always crumbling under pressure, do you?
How exactly was he luckier than any other player who played at the USO this year??
Well, Federer and Nadal are also from western nations so, according to you, that must be the reason why they too generate a lot of press!
I actually agree with you. to me top 4 or top 3 doesn't really matter but Murray still has a long way to go to be mentioned with Roger, Rafa and Novak. I still feel Djokovic gifted his a slam.
Murray as a king of 'best of 3' failed in both Tokyo and Shanghai. Murray is actually so over hyped. it's not even funny. It's so sad that we have an old Fed, crippled Nadal ... Djokovic will probably end up ruling for next few years.
Murray is just not as solid as the other 3 guys. He might get there tho, who knows?
The West owes it's very existence to Serbia and Spain both countries that played a major role in halting the Islamic hoards from over running Western Europe in the fourteenth century at the heroic battle of Kosovo and the Iberian Moorish conflicts.
We'd all be praying 5 times a day, beating women for flashing their ankles and banning music and kite flying were it not for the countries whom both Djokovic and Nadal hail from.
very sharp thinking btw. it's good to see that some people know their history. I hope other people not from Europe don't get offended by this. Both Spain and Serbia did crazy things to defend themselves and Europe from aggressive Muslims.
I also think that the West and East thing is getting old (talking about Western/Eastern Europe). EUROPE UNITE .
He's done all the above now, and more. what's your stand now.
I think it's a big four.
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