Is Murray the greatest British sportsman ?

#63
But we are forgetting James Anderson in cricket. He is a fast bowler and still going strong at 36 years at which most spinners retire let alone fast bowlers. He also broke Mcgraths record for most wickets by fast bowler. His longevity is great.
 
#64
But we are forgetting James Anderson in cricket. He is a fast bowler and still going strong at 36 years at which most spinners retire let alone fast bowlers. He also broke Mcgraths record for most wickets by fast bowler. His longevity is great.

The fine wine of English cricket. Absolutely world class for many years now. From a solid bowler to a metronomic killah.
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
#65
Well, it's time to make a first assessment based on your replies and the least I can say is that for a country that invented almost all modern sports, Britain didn't produce that many great sportsmen.
 
#66
A lot of debate in British media over whether Andy Murray is Britain's greatest sportsman... If not him, who do you think deserves that title?
It would be pretty poor for british sports who only won 3 slams and was number one for a couple weeks was the greatest british athlete. Sure the 2009-2016 were his prime was time frame was very tough because of the big 3 and he mostly beat anyone else but to be the greatest ever you have to dominate a big sport for an extended time. Tennis is a big sport but he never dominated.

My pick would be Farah. He truely dominated a major sport (track and field is the number 1 olympic sport so it can be ranked in the same category as tennis, soccer, basketball and other world wide big sports) for half a decade.

I wouldn't go with any cricket, darts, rugby or snooker players as those are sports only played at a high level in GB/ireland and their former colonies (australia, india, pakistan...) just like american football is just played in the usa.
 
#70
Anyone who has been around him at tournaments and hears what, and the language that consistently comes out of his mouth would really hesitate to call him a sportsman of any kind let alone the greatest of any kind.
 
#71
Firstly, its stupid to constanly compare sportsmen.
Secondly, how the hell you can rank Hamilton and Ronnie above Murray?!

Tennis is probably the most demanding sport:
1. You are alone
2. You need to be in top physical shape( Ronnie would have problem with that)
3. You need to be in top mental state
4. You need high IQ

Murray achieved all of his success battling the TOP 3 off his sport and at the time when he arrived Federer, Nadal were miles ahead in terms of experience, confidence which is a hell of a task in order to cut the distance. Not only that but he was unfortunate to injuried himself in 2007 and at the time his other rival took huge step ahead also.

I dont think that there is a modern britt who could challenge Murray in terms of achievements. F1 is mostly about the car and there is hardly any real competition.
 
#72
4th in the era just doesn't cut it. There's no need to put tennis on an absurd pedestal. If Murray were close but fourth he'd have a case - say 10-12 Slams and a bunch more titles, with career achievements comparable to The Big Three. But he's distant... very distant. Still he will be underrated because of his circumstance and so many will see Courier as greater till the end of time (lol).
 
#77
People mentioning Phil Taylor?

Luckily hand grenades are only 5 euro's over here so I can blow myself up for cheaps
No best ever Brit list is complete without his name.

Sir Ian Botham
'Master' Jack Hobbs
Kevin Pietersen

The above from cricket.
Have never been much of a cricket fan but KP had something about him. I don't know. Might be the charm. If I was flicking through the channels, I might watch if he was batting.
 
#81
4th in the era just doesn't cut it. There's no need to put tennis on an absurd pedestal. If Murray were close but fourth he'd have a case - say 10-12 Slams and a bunch more titles, with career achievements comparable to The Big Three. But he's distant... very distant. Still he will be underrated because of his circumstance and so many will see Courier as greater till the end of time (lol).
How people perceive someone its not an actual measure of success, its purely subjective. For example, if you have an opinion about a girl that she is beautifull
that doesnt mean that the rest of the world would perceive her in such a way.

Courier played in an inferior era in terms of overall level and the evolution of the sport + he didnt compete with the three best players off all time
 
#84
How people perceive someone its not an actual measure of success, its purely subjective. For example, if you have an opinion about a girl that she is beautifull
that doesnt mean that the rest of the world would perceive her in such a way.

Courier played in an inferior era in terms of overall level and the evolution of the sport + he didnt compete with the three best players off all time

I mean, no shizzle Sherlock?
 

Azure

Hall of Fame
#90
Nah because you get to choose as many cricketers as you like - greats of their roles.
Disclaimer - I don't actively watch too much cricket these days.

Very tough actually. For example, I don't consider the stats piled up by today's batsmen all that great because they never had to face the Windies battery of fast bowlers - Holding, Garner, Ambrose, Marshall, Walsh....

Batsmen - can't overlook Grace and Bradman I suppose. Lara, Sobers, Tendulkar, Kallis, Ponting, Gavaskar all terrific.
Bowlers - Fast bowlers - Lillee, Holding, Marshall, Brett Lee, Imran Khan, Akhtar, Mc Grath
Bowlers - Spin - Warne, Murali, Kumble, Gibbs, Mushtaq
All round - Gichrist (a personal favourite)
 
#91
Disclaimer - I don't actively watch too much cricket these days.

Very tough actually. For example, I don't consider the stats piled up by today's batsmen all that great because they never had to face the Windies battery of fast bowlers - Holding, Garner, Ambrose, Marshall, Walsh....

Batsmen - can't overlook Grace and Bradman I suppose. Lara, Sobers, Tendulkar, Kallis, Ponting, Gavaskar all terrific.
Bowlers - Fast bowlers - Lillee, Holding, Marshall, Brett Lee, Imran Khan, Akhtar, Mc Grath
Bowlers - Spin - Warne, Murali, Kumble, Gibbs, Mushtaq
All round - Gichrist (a personal favourite)

Nice selection.

Also a big Gilchrist fan. Imran Khan can captain any team I put out. I'll also take Viv Richards for his vicious batting and bravery.

Generally I like genuine all-rounders who also have a specialty, so I'm liking the picks of Sobers, Kallis, Khan, and although Warne is not considered an all-rounder, he was a way more useful batsman than pretty much any other dedicated specialist bowler - a tailender who could actually quickly damage the opposition. I'll add Hadlee and also Ambrose as a fast bowler as I adored watching him play back in da day yo.
 

Azure

Hall of Fame
#92
Nice selection.

Also a big Gilchrist fan. Imran Khan can captain any team I put out. I'll also take Viv Richards for his vicious batting and bravery.

Generally I like genuine all-rounders who also have a specialty, so I'm liking the picks of Sobers, Kallis, Khan, and although Warne is not considered an all-rounder, he was a way more useful batsman than pretty much any other dedicated specialist bowler - a tailender who could actually quickly damage the opposition. I'll add Hadlee and also Ambrose as a fast bowler as I adored watching him play back in da day yo.
Ha! Imran Khan is captaining a nation now! Time will tell how well he is doing in his second innings.

The windies fast bowlers were something else back in the 70's. That set and the australian team of the late 90's-early 2000's are some of the best players coming together playing on one team.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
#93

This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
That's Phil Taylor right at the end of his career in that picture.

I say Phil Taylor is the greatest because of how dominant he was at a professional sport, combined with a ruthless winning mentality that sought to not just beat but wipe out the opposition. This winning mentality was learned under the tutelage of his mentor, Eric Bristow, who himself was one of the greatest of all time, but Taylor had an old school hard work ethic instilled into him by his parents before he had even met Bristow. What Bristow later added to Taylor's mentality was that only first was acceptable, and anything less was failure. Let's face it, Murray is certainly behind Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all-time, and by a distance. In the Bristow school, this is failure in terms of being the best of the era.

Taylor won 16 World Championships and 16 World Matchplays during his career. The next most is 5 World Championships (Bristow and Barneveld) and 2 World Matchplays (Van Gerwen and Harrington).
 

BGod

Hall of Fame
#96
If one considers Golf a sport, Nick Faldo is ahead. If not, then Steve Redgrave. I'm going with Redgrave personally. Winning 5 consecutive Golds in Rowing>2 Golds in Tennis and 3 Slams.
 
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