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Wouldn’t say Nadal is irrelevant. Still 2nd in the race for supremacy and probably has a couple RGs left in him.
Is Nadal or Djokovic the player of the 2010s?
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Only between Nadal and Djoko. Federer was obviously the best player before 2008.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Djokodalerer31
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Couple more is too generous! Just one more and thats it! He is not winning any RGs past 2020 and he isn't going to get both of them consecutively twice in 2019 and in 2020! One of them will either go to Djokovic or Thiem...My money's on Djokovic next year! Thiem probably will have to wait until 2021!...
Jaitock1991
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Zetty
Hall of Fame
More slams this decade, let's drop it
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Having every single title worth 1000+, winning the Grand Slam, owning Nadal in H2H, and having more weeks at #1 does though.
Nadal is no longer in the GOAT debate. He's a distance away from Federer and Djokovic.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
We must maintain respect for slams no matter how bad Djokovic fans want to skip ahead. Seems to me that some of you fear he will come up short, so you play with words and stats hoping for everyone to accept your ideas and theories. The h2h with Nadal is practically even btw as it is with Federer. 27-25 is not owning someone lol. Ya boy is in 3rd place and barely.
Bukmeikara
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Nadal has three more Slams than Djokovic and if he finishes the year as number 1 would have more YE number 1 than him and dont start me on the clay. How is he nit in the debate?
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Even if they did, Federer would be the player of 2005-2015 anyway.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
True. It's not a big deal though as long as Nadal stays ahead in overall achievements. Nadal fans can live with that.
StannisTheMannis
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titoelcolombiano
Legend
Yes it is Djoker so far:
2010 - 2018:
Djoker 13 slams
Rafa 11 slams
Fed 5 slams
Rafa & Djoker were tied on slams only a short couple of months ago.
2000 - 2009:
Fed 15 slams
Rafa 6 slams
Djoker 1 slam
Rafa's decade was 2005 - 2014 so it spanned the two which also happened to be his best 10 year span: 14 slams
Fed's best 10 year span was 2003 - 2012: 17 slams
Djoker is currently in his best 10 year span 2009 - 2018: 13 slams
2010 - 2018:
Djoker 13 slams
Rafa 11 slams
Fed 5 slams
Rafa & Djoker were tied on slams only a short couple of months ago.
2000 - 2009:
Fed 15 slams
Rafa 6 slams
Djoker 1 slam
Rafa's decade was 2005 - 2014 so it spanned the two which also happened to be his best 10 year span: 14 slams
Fed's best 10 year span was 2003 - 2012: 17 slams
Djoker is currently in his best 10 year span 2009 - 2018: 13 slams
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Actually, he didn't win any GS in 2009. He won his second GS in 2011.
titoelcolombiano
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I know, but I said 10 year span... and 2009 to 2018 is his best 10 year span in terms of total GS titles, 2008 - 2017 isn't, and 2011 - 2020 doesn't exist as a 10 year span yet.
itrium84
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BlueB
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Even worse for them, the real mathematical and historic decades are actually from year 1 to year 10, indespite of majority of population thinking what you stated above.
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Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were implying that he had won his second GS in 2009.
Mainad
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2016: Djokovic/Murray
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Listen putz listen!
You're not talking to your ex brother law in schmuck.
You're talking to Savage.
Enceladus
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No, no, calendar decads starts number 0. When the twenties of the twentieth century are spoken, it means the 1920-1929 range, the thirties of the twentieth century is years 1930-1939, and so on.
The same principle applies to human age categories. On the 30th birthday day, one becomes tricenarian, on the 50th birthday day, one becomes quinquagenarian, and so on.
BlueB
Legend
Your post just shows the depth of misconception. I'm well aware that I can't win, as far as majority goes, but historians and mathematicians know the right answer.
As futile as it might be, I'll try one more time:
1) Human age/decades:
When you are born, you are 0 years old and start living your 1st year of life and 1st decade. The 1st Birthday is the rounding off of that year and you'll start living your 2nd year... all the way to your 10th birthday, at wich point you enter the 2nd decade. So, yes you become a tricenterian on your 30th birthday entering your 31st year of life and 4th decade.
2) Years:
We count from Christ's birth (AD). After he was born (supposedly) on Dec 25, comes Jan 1, the year 1 begins. This is the beggining of the 1st decade of the AD. The year 10 is the 10th year of the same decade. You do your math from there...
Yust another simple analogy, tomortow will be the September 30th... which is not the first day of October.
3) Last but not least, the Decimal counting system:
Based pretty much on the number of fingers we have on our hands. Count them - the 10th one is still on your hands, not on your feet, thus still in the same decade.
I hope it helps.
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itrium84
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It actually does help. Well explained. These various decade concepts were always mind-twisting for me.
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While isn't really fair on Nadal, since his peak started in the previous decade, there is no doubt that so far as it stands the player of the decade is Djokovic.
More slams, more masters, more WTF, more weeks at number one, more year ending number ones
More slams, more masters, more WTF, more weeks at number one, more year ending number ones
2000-2009:
00 - Kuerten/Safin
01 - Hewitt
02 - Hewitt
03 - Roddick
04 - Federer
05 - Federer
06 - Federer
07 - Federer
08 - Nadal
09 - Federer
5>1 to Federer.
10 - Nadal
11 - Djokovic
12 - Djokovic
13 - Nadal
14 - Djokovic
15 - Djokovic
16 - Murray
17 - Nadal / Federer
18 - Djokovic
19 - Nadal
Djokovic - 4
Nadal - 4
Less clear cut in 2010s.
SABRvolley
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Djokovic without doubt
Razer
G.O.A.T.
2000s does not include 2010.
Now don't count from 1 to 2010 to try and justify as many dunderheads do, the world did not start from 1, the decade naming convention is just a way to explicitly mention a set of 10 years with a particular starting sequence
1980s = 198x, here value of x varies from 0 to 9
1990s = 199x, here value of x varies from 0 to 9
2000s = 200x, here value of x varies from 0 to 9
2010s = 201x, here value of x varies from 0 to 9
and so on
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robotkovic ofc
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It’s strange to give 2017 a tied Nadal/Federer but not 2019 a tied Nadal/Djokovic and 2016 a tied Murray/djokovic.
Besides that I don’t know why a yearly evaluation should take place if we examine the best player of the decade. We should look at weeks at number 1, number of slams, master 1000, total titles and h2h over the decade.
Edit: on top of that I’m counting 5 for djokovic and not 4 like you state.
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BorgTheGOAT
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In your list itself you give Djokovkc 5 not 4, and 2017 is a split between Nadal and Fed so it is more like 5-3/5- 3.5 and not 4-4.
abmk
Bionic Poster
man, you suck so hard at basic math and common sense.
2003-07 would 5 years, not 4.
and then 2009 was federer, not nadal
2010 doesn't come in that 2000s decade (2000-09)
and then LMAO, you argue for 16/19 for djokovic.
have some shame and get well soon.
@abmk, 16 he won the most of slams. 19 he tied with Nadal with 2 slams. SHAME on you!
All of Djok's pre COVID slams
# slams players faced (X denotes patsy)
01 08 AO Federer
02 11 AO Federer
03 11 WB Nadal
04 11 US Federer, Nadal
05 12 AO Murray, Nadal
06 13 AO Murray
07 14 WB Cilic, Federer
08 15 AO Wawrinka, Murray
09 15 WB Cilic, Federer
10 15 US Cilic, Federer
11 16 AO Federer, Murray
12 16 RG Thiem, Murray
13 18 WB Nadal
14 18 US del Potro
15 19 AO Nadal
16 19 WB Federer
17 20 AO Federer, Thiem
Do you see any patsy among them? When they met, Federer was the second best HC or grass player in the world, so he was no patsy.
For the benefit of fedfan24 and Fedfans everywhere, I will do countdown of Fed's slams.
All of Djok's pre COVID slams
# slams players faced (X denotes patsy)
01 08 AO Federer
02 11 AO Federer
03 11 WB Nadal
04 11 US Federer, Nadal
05 12 AO Murray, Nadal
06 13 AO Murray
07 14 WB Cilic, Federer
08 15 AO Wawrinka, Murray
09 15 WB Cilic, Federer
10 15 US Cilic, Federer
11 16 AO Federer, Murray
12 16 RG Thiem, Murray
13 18 WB Nadal
14 18 US del Potro
15 19 AO Nadal
16 19 WB Federer
17 20 AO Federer, Thiem
Do you see any patsy among them? When they met, Federer was the second best HC or grass player in the world, so he was no patsy.
For the benefit of fedfan24 and Fedfans everywhere, I will do countdown of Fed's slams.
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abmk
Bionic Poster
federer was clear #1 in 2009, you removed that and then argued for 16/19 for Djokovic. Hence the shame comment.
djokovic benefitted the most from worst era from 16-onwards.
19 AO nadal sucked like crazy
20 AO fed was injured
RG 16 thiem was under-developed, Murray crashed after set1.
USO 15 cilic was injured
etc.
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19 AO Nadal was beating opponents as easily as Djokovic. Everyone thought that Nadal and Djokovic were playing well, and were expecting a cracker of a final!
If Fed did not want to be beaten in a SF, he shouldn't enter a slam!
15 UO Cilic was injured, as was 17 WB Cilic, when Federer beat him.
TRUE!
MissileBackHand99
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For me, its Nadal. Starts off the 2010s with that epic 3-Slam season, becoming the first male player to win the RG-Wimby-USO triple since Laver in '69. He absolutely DESTROYS everyone in the clay court season (winning MC, Rome, Madrid and RG)...losing only 2 sets the whole way. Also, all the "experts" swore he had to "change his style of play" (as if that's even possible once you reach the pro ranks) because of the frequent injuries (had to pull out of the Aussie in the QFs due to knee injury IIRC). Still had an excellent 2011, despite Djoko running away with the year.
Everyone remembers the 2012 AO Final, ppl forget that Nadal quickly righted that loss with his "season of revenge" against Djoko in the clay court season--beating him in MC, Rome, and the RG Finals. I vividly recall, after his leg injury and subsequent surgery, all the talking head morons on Tennis Channel, ESPN, all over social media, etc. SWORE Rafa would have to retire; SWORE he would never come back to the level he was at. He proceeds to have one of his greatest seasons ever in 2013--10 titles, 2 Slams, rips up the summer North American Hardcourt season, and beats Djoko on his beloved HCs and at RG. Injuries again caused him to miss almost the entire second half of the season in 2014, and he played through them in 2015 and 2016 (his "fall in play level" is overrated IMO, as he was still winning multiple titles these two years and never fell out of the top 10). Then his next renaissance in 2017, where he was 3 games away from winning AO...DOMINATES at RG (one of the best RG runs he's ever had) and wins another USO. Only a magical Fed backhand and a 17-15 5th set to Mueller stop him from even greater heights in 2017 (also for once, Fed had Rafa's number that entire year on hardcourts). 2019 AGAIN has a great season, winning 2 Slams, repeating in Canada, winning Rome for the 9th time, etc. This was after the injuries that forced him to retire in the SFs of the 2018 USO and the ATP Finals. Him finishing Year End #1 for the 5th time in 2019 was no fluke
It's splitting hairs when it comes to Nadal and Novak for the player of the 2010s...which is why I believe CONTEXT of their careers in that decade is what matters. I pick Nadal because he had to overcome more--more injuries, more adversity, etc. Again, everyone swore he was done after that huge 2012 injury and EVERYONE (including on this board) SWORE that he would never come back after 2015-2016 (although again, his "dip in play level" is a bit over-exaggerated IMO), and he did just that. That for me is more impressive than Djoko's accomplishments
Everyone remembers the 2012 AO Final, ppl forget that Nadal quickly righted that loss with his "season of revenge" against Djoko in the clay court season--beating him in MC, Rome, and the RG Finals. I vividly recall, after his leg injury and subsequent surgery, all the talking head morons on Tennis Channel, ESPN, all over social media, etc. SWORE Rafa would have to retire; SWORE he would never come back to the level he was at. He proceeds to have one of his greatest seasons ever in 2013--10 titles, 2 Slams, rips up the summer North American Hardcourt season, and beats Djoko on his beloved HCs and at RG. Injuries again caused him to miss almost the entire second half of the season in 2014, and he played through them in 2015 and 2016 (his "fall in play level" is overrated IMO, as he was still winning multiple titles these two years and never fell out of the top 10). Then his next renaissance in 2017, where he was 3 games away from winning AO...DOMINATES at RG (one of the best RG runs he's ever had) and wins another USO. Only a magical Fed backhand and a 17-15 5th set to Mueller stop him from even greater heights in 2017 (also for once, Fed had Rafa's number that entire year on hardcourts). 2019 AGAIN has a great season, winning 2 Slams, repeating in Canada, winning Rome for the 9th time, etc. This was after the injuries that forced him to retire in the SFs of the 2018 USO and the ATP Finals. Him finishing Year End #1 for the 5th time in 2019 was no fluke
It's splitting hairs when it comes to Nadal and Novak for the player of the 2010s...which is why I believe CONTEXT of their careers in that decade is what matters. I pick Nadal because he had to overcome more--more injuries, more adversity, etc. Again, everyone swore he was done after that huge 2012 injury and EVERYONE (including on this board) SWORE that he would never come back after 2015-2016 (although again, his "dip in play level" is a bit over-exaggerated IMO), and he did just that. That for me is more impressive than Djoko's accomplishments
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MissileBackHand99
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Let's not forget 2018, he faced a Kevin Anderson that was coming off a 27-25 fifth set SF against Isner. The big South African was GASSED
Perhaps, but Novak had to play Nadal on 2 consecutive days. One set VS Nadal is like 2 sets vs just about anyone else. I don't remember, for sure, but I think Novak had to play the final the day after his last set vs Nadal, whereas Anderson whose was younger, had at least an extra day off than Novak did. Whatever, the fact IS, Novak has won 24 slams, Nadal-22, Federer-20. All this discussion is really meaningless.
Well, I guess that settles that!
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