Is Nadal the most talented player ever?

smoledman

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This forum is so up Fedr's arse. The reality is the player who has won 11 French Opens, which is the toughest slam to win is the most talented. Think about it, the next best slam total is 8 WImbledons. Rafa has won 11/14 RG titles! That is inane super-dominance that we'll never see again in our lifetimes. The Earth will burn up before anyone does better.

Sorry but I couldn't care less about Fed's 20 slams overall as the majority were racked up in the super clown era of 2003-2007 and he could never dominate Wimbledon like Rafa did at RG.

Not even close.

Hyperdomination of a single slam > 20 overall.

Case closed.

Rafa is winning 23 slams anyways.
 
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So Fedr pulls off a lot of amazing shots. But what about Rafa's amazing defense and banana shots? Why are Fedr's shots more valued by the tennis establishment? I'll tell you why. Because Fedr is tennis' 'golden boy' and Rafa is too dangerous for them.
 
Rafa is definitely one of the most talented players of all time, but I would not go so far as to say he is the most talented. It would be difficult to say that one player is the most talented in history. If I had to name three guys I would go with Fed, McEnroe and Nadal in no particular order.
 
Rafa has suprised me with some incredible feel but it’s rare. Every pro can hit the tweener it’s no suprise Rafa has pulled that off multiple times in his career. But I can’t think of any other times he’s hit drop shots that spin back into the net or behind the back shots. I would say he’s the most gifted and talented clay courter without question. But as far as all around talent goes, I’d say RF is just unbelievable.
 
smoledman said:
This forum is so up Fedr's arse. The reality is the player who has won 11 French Opens, which is the toughest slam to win is the most talented. Think about it, the next best slam total is 8 WImbledons. Rafa has won 11/14 RG titles! That is inane super-dominance that we'll never see again in our lifetimes. The Earth will burn up before anyone does better.

Sorry but I couldn't care less about Fed's 20 slams overall as the majority were racked up in the super clown era of 2003-2007 and he could never dominate Wimbledon like Rafa did at RG.

Not even close.

Hyperdomination of a single slam > 20 overall.

Case closed.

Rafa is winning 23 slams anyways.
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Did you lose a bet and now have to write something extremely nice about Nadal.. :)
 
smoledman said:
This forum is so up Fedr's arse. The reality is the player who has won 11 French Opens, which is the toughest slam to win is the most talented. Think about it, the next best slam total is 8 WImbledons. Rafa has won 11/14 RG titles! That is inane super-dominance that we'll never see again in our lifetimes. The Earth will burn up before anyone does better.

Sorry but I couldn't care less about Fed's 20 slams overall as the majority were racked up in the super clown era of 2003-2007 and he could never dominate Wimbledon like Rafa did at RG.

Not even close.

Hyperdomination of a single slam > 20 overall.

Case closed.

Rafa is winning 23 slams anyways.
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Posted by a user with a Fed picture in his profile, I am wondering how we should take this.
 
PETE was more talented. flawless grass court tennis...cant teach that

The Spanish DOPER was good at maximizing his talent with mental strength

Something the Swiss Ballerina never learned---how to dig deep.

PETE had both talent AND mental strength.
 
What I am surprised is how come the OP's first post in the thread has not received any likes from the Vamosbrigade yet ? Disgust
 
One of the most talented ever to play the game. Not maybe as naturally gifted as Fed? But there isn't much separating the two in terms of talent as well. You don't start winning slams as a teenager if you're not talented.
 
Federer is without a doubt the most talented lol.

Literally every aspect of Federer’s game is an absolute weapon.

Djokovic might also have a better argument than Nadal in terms of mass talent.

He is a GOAT candidate in 3 majors aspects of tennis. The backhand, the return, and movement(which he shares with nadal). Not to mention he has a significantly better serve too. The only area djokovic really falls short is his volleys which are a 7-8/10 at best
 
One more aspect is Tennis IQ, court awareness, shot selection. I don't think anybody beats Rafa at this. He's just supreme when it comes to anticipation and Tennis IQ.
 
Krish0608 said:
One more aspect is Tennis IQ, court awareness, shot selection. I don't think anybody beats Rafa at this. He's just supreme when it comes to anticipation and Tennis IQ.
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In tennis IQ, I go with Nadal.
He’s the better problem solver in the game.
 
Krish0608 said:
One more aspect is Tennis IQ, court awareness, shot selection. I don't think anybody beats Rafa at this. He's just supreme when it comes to anticipation and Tennis IQ.
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Rafas IQ is really high I have to admit..
And standing behind the baseline has made him have an extremely good court awareness.

But I don’t think Rafa’s shot selection is amazing. He puts himself out of position alot, where he has to run from one end of the court to the other. His inside out is his bread and butter but it CAN be abused. And when the opponent is cruising, he tends to hit slow moonballs that opponents easily flatten. This is why he was upsetted a lot in the past years.

I would have to say Djokovic has better shot selection. I’ve seen no other player that adapts to each player as he does. And every shot he does is completely intentional, so that he can slowly break down his opponent. Djokovic is one of the greatest at changing the direction of the ball
mid-rally, making him a very manipulative baseliner.
 
HailDjokovic said:
Federer is without a doubt the most talented lol.

Literally every aspect of Federer’s game is an absolute weapon.

Djokovic might also have a better argument than Nadal in terms of mass talent.

He is a GOAT candidate in 3 majors aspects of tennis. The backhand, the return, and movement(which he shares with nadal). Not to mention he has a significantly better serve too. The only area djokovic really falls short is his volleys which are a 7-8/10 at best
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How would you rate his overheads? ;)
 
Mainad said:
How would you rate his overheads? ;)
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Well Becker trashed them live on air during the Djokodal match.

Luckily for him, his weakness is one that can't really be exploited, because even he wins the significant majority of points where he attempts an overhead
 
Sorry but I couldn't care less about Nadal’s 11 RG overall as the majority (10/11) were racked up in the super clown Clay era of 2005-present with only 1 tough match (2013 SF). No one could ever dominate the other slams like Rafa did at RG because HC/grass actually has competition.
 
Rafa is supremely strong tactically and mentally. Even better than Djokovic.

Federer has won most slams on 3/4 surfaces. His talent is under appreciated.

I think many players have more talent than Nadal. Nadal is more pragmatic than the rest though.
 
Gonna post something serious for once:

As a Federer fan, I've often been frustrated with Nadal beating Federer more times than not... seemlingly running down every ball and 'just' getting it back in play. I obviously knew he was very talented, but that his game was equally or even more about his
physical attributes. But the more I've watched him, the more I've come to realize how ridiculously talented he is. His feel is better than pretty much everyone in the top 100, except for Federer. Nowadays I take a lot of joy watching him play (except for the time wasting).
 
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HailDjokovic said:
Federer is without a doubt the most talented lol.

Literally every aspect of Federer’s game is an absolute weapon.

Djokovic might also have a better argument than Nadal in terms of mass talent.

He is a GOAT candidate in 3 majors aspects of tennis. The backhand, the return, and movement(which he shares with nadal). Not to mention he has a significantly better serve too. The only area djokovic really falls short is his volleys which are a 7-8/10 at best
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Nadal has better movement than Djokovic as evidenced by the fact that he has won more RG titles (clay is the surface where the serve is less relevant, and so the baseline game/movement is more relevant). Nadal is also way faster than Djokovic.

Nadal post-2017 neo-backhand is ultra-offensive and equally good as Djokovic's one, if not better. His return ability is as good as Djokovic's one, if not better. Check it out the stats, Nadal has a better return percentage than Djokovic in his career.

The only thing I admit is tthat Nadal's serve sucks.
 
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TheMaestro1990 said:
Gonna post something serious for once:

As a Federer fan, I've often been frustrated with Nadal beating Federer more times than not... seemlingly running down every ball and 'just' getting it back in play. I obviously knew he was very talented, but that his game was equally or even more about his
physical attributes. But the more I've watched him, the more I've come to realize how ridiculously talented he is. His feel is better than pretty much everyone in the top 100, except for Federer. Nowadays I take a lot of joy watching him play nowadays (except for the time wasting).
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My thoughts exactly. The guy is insanely ‘talented’. He is a joy to watch, especially when he’s being aggressive. I just can’t stand the amount of time he takes between points. Djokovic is the same. It really turns me off from watching the sport.
I really hope the introduction of the shot clock forces a more aggressive game style so as to not get into the Simon/Monfils type of rallies.
 
Rafa is my favorite male player of all-time. To me, he's the most exciting player to watch, not counting the "time wasting", as another poster wrote. But, I can't agree about him being the best strategist. When your backhand has been your best weapon for several years, and you STILL runaround it, even on grass... When you play left-handed, yet don't really take advantage of serving wide in the AD court... When you runaround your backhand to hit a forehand winner that isn't a "winner" most of the time, and leave most of your side open/vulnerable...

I was watch some of a Newport match yesterday and Jimmy Arias, of all people, actually brought up that point -- all of these guys running around their good/great backhands to hit only "okay" forehands. He's the only commentator I've ever heard bring that up. I think that poor shot selection lost Nadal that Wimbledon semi.
 
smoledman said:
This forum is so up Fedr's arse. The reality is the player who has won 11 French Opens, which is the toughest slam to win is the most talented. Think about it, the next best slam total is 8 WImbledons. Rafa has won 11/14 RG titles! That is inane super-dominance that we'll never see again in our lifetimes. The Earth will burn up before anyone does better.

Sorry but I couldn't care less about Fed's 20 slams overall as the majority were racked up in the super clown era of 2003-2007 and he could never dominate Wimbledon like Rafa did at RG.

Not even close.

Hyperdomination of a single slam > 20 overall.

Case closed.

Rafa is winning 23 slams anyways.
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Nice.

Trollerer GOAT thread.

Close Forum Down.

But, I’ll fall for it.

Why can’t the most talented player in history beat a 35 - 36 year old Fraud GOAT? Rather he gets consistently owned over the whole year on even neutral surfaces of IW and Slowami.

Why can’t he get a better record than Fraud GOAT at the “easier” slams. Instead he’s far behind at all 3.

Fraud-ererer rules.
 
Lol, nadal is ripped and an insane athlete.

Meanwhile fed has a belly and no muscles and yet won more slams.

Its plain obvious who has more talent.

Fed has a much higher talent, better hand eye coordination, touch, shotmaking, crazy difficult hughlight reel shots like tweeners and backhand smashes... cmon OP you domt really believe the crap you just wrote.
 
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