Is Nadal the new Edberg at Wimbledon?

illkhiboy

Hall of Fame
I am sure at least some of the older fans have noticed that Nadal and Edberg have very similar records at Wimbledon. Both of them put in stellar performances for 5-6 years while winning twice before making a habit of succumbing to lower ranked opponents in the early rounds.

I think the difference is that while Edberg's game declined significantly each year, Nadal is still playing at a high level and has a decent shot of winning a third Wimbledon.

Edberg at Wimbledon
1986 - R32
1987 - SF
1988 - W
1989 - F
1990 - W
1991 - SF
1992 - QF
1993 - SF
1994 - R64
1995 - R64
1996 - R64

Nadal at Wimbledon
2005 - R64
2006 - F
2007 - F
2008 - W
2009 - DNP
2010 - W
2011 - F
2012 - R64
2013 - R128
2014 - R16
 
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stringertom

Bionic Poster
I am sure at least some of the older fans have noticed that Nadal and Edberg have very similar records at Wimbledon. Both of them put in stellar performances for 5-6 years while winning twice before making a habit of succumbing to lower ranked opponents in the early rounds.

I think the difference is that while Edberg's game declined significantly each year, Nadal is still playing at a high level and has a decent shot of winning a third Wimbledon.

Edberg at Wimbledon
1986 - R32
1987 - SF
1988 - W
1989 - F
1990 - W
1991 - SF
1992 - QF
1993 - SF
1994 - R64
1995 - R64
1996 - R64

Nadal at Wimbledon
2005 - R64
2006 - F
2007 - F
2008 - W
2009 - DNP
2010 - W
2011 - F
2012 - R64
2013 - R132
2014 - R16
They added a couple of feed-in matches in '13? No wonder he was put out!
 

Russeljones

G.O.A.T.
I find the statement Nadal has a chance to reverse his course rather far-fetched.
For starters, the story about Murray's demise is the epitome of far-fetched. Wouldn't he be the chief Wimbledon blocker for Nadal? Throw in the youngsters of today and it's becoming a veritable minefield. I am not going to bet against him winning it ever again but, unlike the OP suggests, I reckon his chances are dwindling.

PS: his avatar shows he has good taste in music, must be lenient ;)
 

illkhiboy

Hall of Fame
I find the statement Nadal has a chance to reverse his course rather far-fetched.
Perhaps mentally it will be quite tough for Nadal to reverse the trend and physically it won't get any easier either. But he definitely still has the game. I was impressed by what I saw at Wimbledon. There are only a handful of players who can beat him in my opinion once he gets past 2-3 rounds. Kyrgios had to play at an extraordinary level to pull off the upset.

Nadal's recent record can inspire other players to play lights out and beat him there, but it will be very very challenging. And if you look at the current top 10, Nadal would be the favourite at Wimbedon against all those players but Djokovic.
 

illkhiboy

Hall of Fame
For starters, the story about Murray's demise is the epitome of far-fetched. Wouldn't he be the chief Wimbledon blocker for Nadal? Throw in the youngsters of today and it's becoming a veritable minefield. I am not going to bet against him winning it ever again but, unlike the OP suggests, I reckon his chances are dwindling.

PS: his avatar shows he has good taste in music, must be lenient ;)
Lol thanks for your kindness.

I agree that Nadal's chances are dwindling in the sense that it will get tougher for him to win each passing year. But if he gets a kind(er) draw, I can easily see him winning the tournament.

Murray is one of the best grass-courters around but he has made a habit of losing to Nadal on grass and clay. I believe he's 0-3 against Nadal at Wimbledon.

Dimitrov, Del Potro and Federer are the other threats but the fitness/form of the latter two are questionable for 2015.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Have to disagree with you. Halle and his four Wimby matches this year show that Nadal is an endangered species on grass to any hot player with decent serving/forehand tactics. If he had breezed through R1-3 after the Brown dusting and lost the same way he did to Kyrgios, I might say it was just lightning in a bottle. He lost a first set each time to non-household names and was real close to being in a two-set hole to Rosol.

The writing is on the clubhouse wall...serve well, be aggressive and you have a shot at the upset. Grass doesn't return to the schedule until he's another year older and, the way things are going for him on this surface, older is not better.
 

Kirijax

Hall of Fame
Tying everything from Adam to Zepaniah with Nadal is getting really, really tiresome. Believe it or not, Nadal is not the end all and center of tennis. No?
 

70後

Hall of Fame
Nadal is the far greater Wimbledon player.

2W + 3F > 2W + 1F, no?

just unlucky to faced the soon to be 8 time Wimbledon champion so many times at Wimbledon, no?

Nadal was tired.
 

illkhiboy

Hall of Fame
Nadal is the far greater Wimbledon player.

2W + 3F > 2W + 1F, no?

just unlucky to faced the soon to be 8 time Wimbledon champion so many times at Wimbledon, no?

Nadal was tired.
Edberg lost to some great players at Wimbledon as well - Becker in his prime; Ivanisevic playing out of his mind; Courier in the zone; Stich the year he also beat Becker to win the title.

Also one can't discount that from 1987-1993 Edberg was a threat to win every Wimbledon, and got to at least the semis each time during that period except for '92 when Goran beat him in the quarters.

So I don't think Nadal's record is necessarily better.
 

OrangePower

Legend
Nadal is a great player. Edberg was a great player. But trying to draw any kind of parallel between them is a blasphemy!

Edberg was a much more natural (and better) grass court player than Nadal. Don't forget that Edberg actually won 4 slams on grass (2 AO played on grass at the time in addition to 2 Wimbledon).

Nadal was able to be successful on grass despite his game not being suited to it, rather than because of it.
 

Carsomyr

Legend
Very different circumstances. After the '94 AO, Edberg was a virtual non-entity in Slams, and in other competitions to boot. Nadal has remained a top player in almost every regard...except for grass.
 

illkhiboy

Hall of Fame
Very different circumstances. After the '94 AO, Edberg was a virtual non-entity in Slams, and in other competitions to boot. Nadal has remained a top player in almost every regard...except for grass.
Good point. Edberg's decline was almost inexplicable. Until January 1994, he was a regular on the last weekends at majors, and after that he never made a semi again. In fact he only made one more QF - at his last Slam at the US Open in 1996.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Good point. Edberg's decline was almost inexplicable. Until January 1994, he was a regular on the last weekends at majors, and after that he never made a semi again. In fact he only made one more QF - at his last Slam at the US Open in 1996.
I think he had back issues which started troubling him and then he kind of lost motivation after having a family. He became a father after Wimby '93 and never again made a slam final. (Made just one slam semi in Jan '94).
Was only 28 when he started fading away. I remember desperately rooting for him to win another slam but it wasn't to be :(
 

illkhiboy

Hall of Fame
Nadal is a great player. Edberg was a great player. But trying to draw any kind of parallel between them is a blasphemy!

Edberg was a much more natural (and better) grass court player than Nadal. Don't forget that Edberg actually won 4 slams on grass (2 AO played on grass at the time in addition to 2 Wimbledon).

Nadal was able to be successful on grass despite his game not being suited to it, rather than because of it.
Lol I understand the sentiment behind your post but their (factual) records are obviously comparable. And I think that despite Nadal's vulnerability on fresh grass, he has a pretty good game for the surface (as it plays now).

He uses the slice fairly effectively, his serve skids off the surface, his athleticism helps him out, he has great touch, is great at neutralizing balls when on the stretch through right short selection and employs the drop short well. He also has a knack for knowing when to approach, for which he is often rewarded.

Stefan Edberg used to be my favourite player and currently it is Federer so I invariably find myself rooting against Nadal but one has to give credit where it's due. That said, boy has it been fun to watch Wimbledon for the past couple years.
 
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