Kenshin
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I don't. I wouldn't take "Nadal is the GOAT" kind of posters seriously either.
Anyone who has had nothing good to say about x player just cannot be taken seriously whenever he talks about x player.
That's the spirit, mate.
I don't. I wouldn't take "Nadal is the GOAT" kind of posters seriously either.
Anyone who has had nothing good to say about x player just cannot be taken seriously whenever he talks about x player.
It has weakened? What hardcourt beasts have disappeared from the tour?![]()
I've never seen him/her post anything good about Nadal. Calling Nadal better than Roger and Novak on hard courts would be wrong but he's a great player himself on the hard surface.
You may never know. AO 2006 would have been a great opportunity had he not run into Roger. Roger also denied him some slam finals on HC in 2006 and 2007.I agree about Del potro. I wish he was healthy after 2009. He could have troubled the top players. I disagree about Davydenko. I loved his game but he wasn't good enough to win the grandslams on hard.
I agree about Del potro. I wish he was healthy after 2009. He could have troubled the top players. I disagree about Davydenko. I loved his game but he wasn't good enough to win the grandslams on hard.
Federer for starters was rubbish all year. Murray was done on hardcourts after Miami last year. Del Potro has had early exits are all 3 Hardcourt slams from 2013 onwards.
Djokovic was eratic on hardcourts in the middle of the year although he preformed in the slams.
Many all time greats have beneffited from weaker opossition to inflate their numbers.Nadal is benefitting from a weak era? How about Federer 2004-2007? We can play that game.
You may never know. AO 2006 would have been a great opportunity had he not run into Roger. Roger also denied him some slam finals on HC in 2006 and 2007.
The point is Davydenko is one of Nadal's toughest opponents on HC. 6-1 H2H does not lie. For Rafa it would have been much harder to beat Davy on HC than Youzhny for ex
Nadal is benefitting from a weak era? How about Federer 2004-2007? We can play that game.
I know that very well. But the fact is he wouldn't be a favorite against Nadal in best of 5 at grandslams.
First off, I said the HC competition has weakened in the past few years,which is certainly has, aside from the big 4. Also, I didnt say thats the sole reason for Nadal's recent HC resurgence, but I said it surely didnt hurt either.
Second, its only your opinion that 04-07 was 'weak'
Old Fed reaching number one again in the midst of the 'strong era', and old broke down Haas cracking the top 20 a couple years ago belies that opinion.
Nadal is benefitting from a weak era? How about Federer 2004-2007? We can play that game.
If the current hardcourt field is weak, so was 2004-2007.
The fact is both Nadal and Federer are great players. Each of them have their best surfaces, but both are very good at their worst surfaces as well.
Federer becoming #1 in 2012 means he is a superb player, and Nadal having his best hardcourt season in 2013 means Nadal is a great hardcourt player who has become better on that surface as time went on.
It's not the field. The way Nadal was playing last summer on hardcourts was magnificent.
Not really. Combinations of Nalbandian +Hewitt, Blake +Davydenko to reach a final are tougher than Verdasco+Youzhny and Robredo +GasquetIf the current hardcourt field is weak, so was 2004-2007.
The fact is both Nadal and Federer are great players. Each of them have their best surfaces, but both are very good at their worst surfaces as well.
Federer becoming #1 in 2012 means he is a superb player, and Nadal having his best hardcourt season in 2013 means Nadal is a great hardcourt player who has become better on that surface as time went on.
It's not the field. The way Nadal was playing last summer on hardcourts was magnificent.
What has Delpo done on hard courts apart from the 2009 USO victory even when healthy? The guy isn't even good enough to win a Master 1000 and loses to guys like past prime Hewitt, Bautista Agut, etc. Del Potro is the overrated one.
3 hard court slams, scary stuff.
I think he has less HC titles than Murray. He is also streets behind Novak on HC and comparing him on HC to Fed wouldn't even be funny.
So let's hae some fun and compare their records on clay.
So let's hae some fun and compare their records on clay.
Overated?
The guy has been in six HC slam finals, three a piece between the two HC majors. He's beaten Federer and Djokovic, the two best HC players of this era in the finals for the titles.
He played the longest slam final match in history, on a HC.
Olympic gold on HC. He has completed the N America Hard Court swing, the first player in a decade to do it. He's won IW three times also, plus a few other big wins, including beating Federer in Dubai.
Had the best match of the year in 2010 against Murray on Indoor Hard Court at WTF.
Three finals at WTF, three in Miami, finals of Shanghai and Paris Indoors also. He has basically been in the title match of all major HC events.
How can you say he is overrated on HC, when he has done so much on what was arguably his third worst surface?
You just went into hardcore NADALRECORD mode there Hitman! :lol:
You just went into hardcore NADALRECORD mode there Hitman! :lol:
haha!
Just saying it how I see it. Nadal has done very well on HC, considering it is quite possibly his hardest surface, but not only that, it also has the greatest depth of competition on imo. I do feel that Nadal doesn't get the respect he in my eyes has earned in making something of himself on HC.
Yes, he is not Federer or Djokovic on HC, but they aren't exactly Nadal on clay either. So lets give these guys some respect, and I mean all of them and rise above the hate.
Great post as usual, couldn't agree more.
So 2 USO & 1 AO = 2.
Too much whiskey!
You are one of the better Djokovic fans. And you understand what it is like when Novak gets discredited and called abusive names. The same goes for Federer, and his fans. So, if we can't condone them being thrown under the bus, we should at least have some mutual ground with fans of other players about their favs also.
Yeah what is it with posters on this forum when it comes to giving credit to certain players, even if it's one you don't like? Honestly it's like it would kill people to actually say something complimentary, as if they're doing the dirty on their favourite player or something lol. I just don't understand it and EVERY fanbase is guilty of it.
Yeah, this is what we normally get when a player wins.
Nadal wins, yeah the courts must be slow, his opponent choked as usual, he used gamesmanship, on court coaching, he must be on his new cycle, time violations, playing his lapdog, playing his cheerleaders, fake MTOs....
Djokovic wins, yeah must using the egg, must be on PEDS to have that stamina, his team are a bunch of thugs when they celebrate, he parades around like a disrespectful gorilla pounding his chest, time violation, attention w....
Federer wins, yeah we must be back in the weak era, all titles won against losers, all wins hollow, player choked, Federer fake back injury, Federer's wife is unattractive, his balls don't shrink against weak players, arrogant...
You are an excellent poster. One of the rare voices of reason in a wasteland of hateful trolls and rabid fanboys.haha!
Just saying it how I see it. Nadal has done very well on HC, considering it is quite possibly his hardest surface, but not only that, it also has the greatest depth of competition on imo. I do feel that Nadal doesn't get the respect he in my eyes has earned in making something of himself on HC.
Yes, he is not Federer or Djokovic on HC, but they aren't exactly Nadal on clay either. So lets give these guys some respect, and I mean all of them and rise above the hate.
I'm sorry, but I resent the fact that you consider me predictable.Yep you pretty much covered it all lol. Posters on this forum are nothing if not predictable and it always gives me a good laugh. Seriously ever since I discovered Talk Tennis I don't even need to watch comedy dvds anymore when I'm feeling a little down- just one click on this forum is all it takes to wash my blues away haha!![]()
I'm sorry, but I resent the fact that you consider me predictable.
Thus, I bid you adieu with a totally random, unpredictable exit from the stage.
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That gif is hilarious FOD but you know I wasn't referring to you- you're one of the good guys on here! :wink:
Rafa is just a good tennis player Hardcourts or Clay. He was rockin until the AO final