There you go, no videos.She didn't hit a single (decent) tweener in her entire career (prove me otherwise). She may be accomplished, but not a tennis genious. Also, there are many arguments against her being the greatest female player.
There you go, no videos.She didn't hit a single (decent) tweener in her entire career (prove me otherwise). She may be accomplished, but not a tennis genious. Also, there are many arguments against her being the greatest female player.
Hi, Alexis.1) 23 Slams
2) 2 of every Slam title
3) Most weeks at number 1/Most consecutive weeks at number 1
4) Olympic gold in 2000, 2008, 2012
5) Most single matches won on WTA
Surely, she is the greatest tennis player of all time?
That’s all you have?Hey man, just want to say that it's great you old folks are still around!
Osaka plays nothing like Halep. Serena is not going to be able to dictate as much. This match will be much tougher than the Sabalenka match, Osaka makes more balls and is a smarter player.If she plays like she did in the Halep match, the title is hers.
We are talking about Serena and women’s tennis so, leave the gender argument out of it! But since you mentioned it, men and women are not on equal footing period. Carey Meyer was a top 20 player in the world back in late 1970’s and she played a practice match at the Indianapolis Racquet Club against Todd Witsken when Todd was 15 or 16 year old and Todd beat her 6-0, 6-0! Enough said!"Men and women don't compete, so I'm now gonna assert I can still directly compare them."
I generally respect your posts, but this one sounds a bit patronising. Also, her obnoxious personality and desire to always claim herself as the greatest (when most other former champions seem content in their lives) offsets her trailblazing, for me anyway.
What makes ya think that wasn't my intention?
And I've lost count of the number of times my girl's been called out for her supposed "arrogance" or "obsession" when she's simply being as assertive as her (louder) male peers. Sorry, but I don't buy it! Besides her lack of false modesty makes me like her more, not less.![]()
Best of 3 slams.1) 23 Slams
2) 2 of every Slam title
3) Most weeks at number 1/Most consecutive weeks at number 1
4) Olympic gold in 2000, 2008, 2012
5) Most single matches won on WTA
Surely, she is the greatest tennis player of all time?
Best of 3 slams.
One of the best WTA pros. That's as far as it goes, Nokak
Every reply is LMAO...Lmao, you stalking me xD
No.1) 23 Slams
2) 2 of every Slam title
3) Most weeks at number 1/Most consecutive weeks at number 1
4) Olympic gold in 2000, 2008, 2012
5) Most single matches won on WTA
Surely, she is the greatest tennis player of all time?
But she will never have 24.Men and women don't compete. To say a woman could never be the greatest ever at a sport because of the built-in physical advantages of men is sexist.
When making cross-gender comparisons, you have to look at the big picture. Serena with 24, after everything else she's achieved and done, would be enough to make her the greatest ever in the sport's history. Her stature would warrant it too. This isn't like NBA vs WNBA. The WTA has enough visibility and star power that we literally could collectively look at an achievement like that and say, yes, she's the greatest.
Point no. 5 has the clue as to why she can be greatest female tennis player, but not greatest player. There is no greatest player (gender neutral). Ideally we should stop calling either of Fed, Dal or Laver as greatest without the qualifier male. Yes, if Fed played Serena, he would win but it's not at all clear that that isn't purely a reflection of him being physically stronger. Just say greatest male/female tennis player as long as the competitions continue to be separate for men and women.1) 23 Slams
2) 2 of every Slam title
3) Most weeks at number 1/Most consecutive weeks at number 1
4) Olympic gold in 2000, 2008, 2012
5) Most single matches won on WTA
Surely, she is the greatest tennis player of all time?
You say they don’t compete but then you say it would be possible that a woman is greatest of all. Fact is men are still better, if you say Serena dominated “her competition” more than any man his respective peers, than you are maybe right, but then we must be consistent and say Esther Vergeer is greatest of all.Men and women don't compete. To say a woman could never be the greatest ever at a sport because of the built-in physical advantages of men is sexist.
When making cross-gender comparisons, you have to look at the big picture. Serena with 24, after everything else she's achieved and done, would be enough to make her the greatest ever in the sport's history. Her stature would warrant it too. This isn't like NBA vs WNBA. The WTA has enough visibility and star power that we literally could collectively look at an achievement like that and say, yes, she's the greatest.
Here are 5 laymen 'competing' against SerenaMen and women don't compete. To say a woman could never be the greatest ever at a sport because of the built-in physical advantages of men is sexist.
When making cross-gender comparisons, you have to look at the big picture. Serena with 24, after everything else she's achieved and done, would be enough to make her the greatest ever in the sport's history. Her stature would warrant it too. This isn't like NBA vs WNBA. The WTA has enough visibility and star power that we literally could collectively look at an achievement like that and say, yes, she's the greatest.
McEnroe said that? Live?The rules in boxing are the same for all weight categories.
The point is that male sports and women sports are different categories. As McEnroe said, Serena would probably be unable to take 1 match in 100 from any Top 500 male player.
When I first started posting here back in 2007, I'm sure that there was a moderator at the time who insisted that he could beat Serena.
I read comments from numerous 5.0 players, who felt that they could beat active top female players, or retired male players (like McEnroe), which was comical to say the least. Talk about being deluded.
Yeah, that was Kaptain Karl. He was a 50 something man who was convinced that no WTA player could handle his variety of shot.
Kids, Navratilova is the greatest now, forever and ever, man or woman. Grown-ups understand there's more to greatness than just numbers.
And even by that limited metric it's pretty much a toss-up between Margaret, Chris, Martina and Serena. This notion that a single extra major is such a gigantic tiebreaker for these gals with 18-24 under their belt is just monumentally silly.
And Instagram/Twitter followers stats.Absolutely- you are missing doubles stats
Google "sexist". It isn't what you believe it is.Men and women don't compete. To say a woman could never be the greatest ever at a sport because of the built-in physical advantages of men is sexist.
When making cross-gender comparisons, you have to look at the big picture. Serena with 24, after everything else she's achieved and done, would be enough to make her the greatest ever in the sport's history. Her stature would warrant it too. This isn't like NBA vs WNBA. The WTA has enough visibility and star power that we literally could collectively look at an achievement like that and say, yes, she's the greatest.
...Kids, Navratilova is the greatest now, forever and ever, man or woman. Grown-ups understand there's more to greatness than just numbers.
And even by that limited metric it's pretty much a toss-up between Margaret, Chris, Martina and Serena. This notion that a single extra major is such a gigantic tiebreaker for these gals with 18-24 under their belt is just monumentally silly.
Lol just because it’s 5 sets doesn’t mean it will go 5 hours.If GS for women were 5 sets, then she would have 5hr length matches too.
These people don't realize that even 11 year-old juniors would crush them.When I first started posting here back in 2007, I'm sure that there was a moderator at the time who insisted that he could beat Serena.
I read comments from numerous 5.0 players, who felt that they could beat active top female players, or retired male players (like McEnroe), which was comical to say the least. Talk about being deluded.
In fairness to Williams, she has rarely played full seasons. For one reason or another, she's not supported the tour like most top ranked players.They are all great players but I still maintain that Graf is the greatest female tennis player of all time. People pick Serena today is because of present-bias.
Top 5 reasons Steffi Graf is Tennis "Greatest Of All Time(GOAT)"
5. Footwork
Tennis is a game of legs and no player man or women ever moves as fluidly and beautify as Steffi Graf. In his memoir open, Agassi said Steffi was so fast she once trained for the German Olympic track and field team. Even in her retirement when Graf hit the court her feet never stop moving.
4. The Forehand
The Graf forehand has been called the greatest single groundstroke in women's tennis history. Earning her the nickname "Fraulein Forehand".
3. The Golden Moment
Steffi holds the record that may never be broken. She's the only player man or women to win a single season "Golden Slam".
2. Major Dominance
Steffi was at her best at grand slam stages. From 1987 to 1990, Graf reaches an astounding 13 consecutive grand slam finals, and she won 9 of those. Even more impressive, she won every grand slam titles at least 4 times, and remains the only player to achieved that feat. Graf reaches 31 Grand Slam single finals, and her 90% winning percentage in Grand Slam matches remains one of the best of all time and that's truly incredible.
1. Time at the top
Numbers don't lie. Steffi Graf is the greatest of all time because of her longevity at the top. Graf held the top spot for a record 377 weeks, that's nearly 60 weeks more than Williams who was number one for 319 weeks. When you stack Steffi's career next to Serena, Graf 900 career victories are more than Williams and her 107 career titles are 35 more than Serena who won 72 titles. And she achieved all of that in a shorter career than Serena. Steffi retire in 1999 at the age of 30, ending nearly 17 years career. Serena at 39 today is playing in her 26th professional season.
She was so young in 1988. She was ecstatic when she won the French in 1999. Meant more as the years pass. I'm sure if Williams does get another major (lord knows she won't give up) it'll be the icing on the cake. Although she's generally quite enthusiastic when she wins I imagine no.24 will see huge celebrations from her.For what it's worth, Graf is definitely the best 'all surface player' that I've seen. By the end of the 1989 season, she had already won each major plus the YEC / Virginia Slims Championships on carpet, twice apiece. Of all the great players that I've seen, I think the gulf between her level of play and ability on the different surfaces was lower.
Serena is excellent on clay, and I thought that her 2013 season when she won her 2nd RG title and went 28-0 on clay (5 titles) was absolutely huge for her legacy (the notion that she could be the greatest player before then with only 1 RG final appearance was ridiculous to me), but I think that Graf was better on her weakest surface than Serena was on hers.
It was a shame that there was so little joy and excitement, including from her personally, when she completed the grand slam in 1988. It was considered to be a foregone conclusion even during that year's Australian Open from what I remember, and it was very anti-climatic when she sealed the deal. More than anything she was relieved that it was all over, barely smiled and apparently didn't even celebrate her monumental achievement.
A far cry from Venus's semifinal win in the US Open back in 1997 -- I remember thinking what a celebration when the tournament wasn't even over! Her jumping up and down was for the ages; you'd have thought she won the Golden Slam herself. Still glad she put her opponent in her place. Her barging in unaccounted for and progressing so far was a miraculous run. Of course, full credit to Serena for her accomplishments, though I can't help but wonder how she would have fared had Venus been more keen on defeating her in the many matches they played together.For what it's worth, Graf is definitely the best 'all surface player' that I've seen. By the end of the 1989 season, she had already won each major plus the YEC / Virginia Slims Championships on carpet, twice apiece. Of all the great players that I've seen, I think the gulf between her level of play and ability on the different surfaces was lower.
Serena is excellent on clay, and I thought that her 2013 season when she won her 2nd RG title and went 28-0 on clay (5 titles) was absolutely huge for her legacy (the notion that she could be the greatest player before then with only 1 RG final appearance was ridiculous to me), but I think that Graf was better on her weakest surface than Serena was on hers.
It was a shame that there was so little joy and excitement, including from her personally, when she completed the grand slam in 1988. It was considered to be a foregone conclusion even during that year's Australian Open from what I remember, and it was very anti-climatic when she sealed the deal. More than anything she was relieved that it was all over, barely smiled and apparently didn't even celebrate her monumental achievement.
He said on live TV that if she played in the ATP she would be ranked 700. And I think he was being generous.McEnroe said that? Live?
Very true, because I don't see anyone saying that the greatest women's basketball player (whoever that is) is as great as Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Lebron, Kobe etc. Why do we have this in tennis?I will give Serena props as the greatest tennis player of all time the second she takes down Nadal, Fed and Djokovic on the surface of her choice.
If I post a 100-0 record beating 10 year olds, it doesn't make me the greatest at anything. You have to beat the best to be the best and we all know WTA players are not comparable to ATP players.
Bank account?They are all great players but I still maintain that Graf is the greatest female tennis player of all time. People pick Serena today is because of present-bias.
Top 5 reasons Steffi Graf is Tennis "Greatest Of All Time(GOAT)"
5. Footwork
Tennis is a game of legs and no player man or women ever moves as fluidly and beautify as Steffi Graf. In his memoir open, Agassi said Steffi was so fast she once trained for the German Olympic track and field team. Even in her retirement when Graf hit the court her feet never stop moving.
4. The Forehand
The Graf forehand has been called the greatest single groundstroke in women's tennis history. Earning her the nickname "Fraulein Forehand".
3. The Golden Moment
Steffi holds the record that may never be broken. She's the only player man or women to win a single season "Golden Slam".
2. Major Dominance
Steffi was at her best at grand slam stages. From 1987 to 1990, Graf reaches an astounding 13 consecutive grand slam finals, and she won 9 of those. Even more impressive, she won every grand slam titles at least 4 times, and remains the only player to achieved that feat. Graf reaches 31 Grand Slam single finals, and her 90% winning percentage in Grand Slam matches remains one of the best of all time and that's truly incredible.
1. Time at the top
Numbers don't lie. Steffi Graf is the greatest of all time because of her longevity at the top. Graf held the top spot for a record 377 weeks, that's nearly 60 weeks more than Williams who was number one for 319 weeks. When you stack Steffi's career next to Serena, Graf 900 career victories are more than Williams and her 107 career titles are 35 more than Serena who won 72 titles. And she achieved all of that in a shorter career than Serena. Steffi retire in 1999 at the age of 30, ending nearly 17 years career. Serena at 39 today is playing in her 26th professional season.
Wait - on the internet, including tennis warehouse they are promoting Serena’s new t- shirt collection which includes a t - shirt stating that she is the world’s greatest athlete. So it must be true that she is the greatest tennis player
Because the title could be changed to "most accomplished tennis player" if that makes it clearer. It is the same reason people do not discount every male success who played in a "weak era". You do the best you can under your playing circumstances.Very true, because I don't see anyone saying that the greatest women's basketball player (whoever that is) is as great as Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Lebron, Kobe etc. Why do we have this in tennis?