Is Sinner a top 50 player of all time in men's tennis?
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G.O.A.T.
Nostalgic take.
dking68
Legend
He was 73-6 throughout the entire season last year
Biotic
Hall of Fame
I think Bird would be amazing today, somewhat likely an equivalent player to Scottie Barnes. Not neccessarily better IMO, cause it’s really hard to outdo current Scottie, the face of the Raptors, the chosen one.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
He won halle. It's on grass..
85% plus on all surfaces. It's better than alcaraz ever.
optic yellow
Legend
I'll be convinced if he beats Alcaraz at RG or SW19.
As long as basketball is discussed among true fans, the name of Michael Jordan will be up there with the Beals, DeRozans, Herros etc.
Guys who were a key part of their eras.
dking68
Legend
Think it’s pretty likely, Sinner is improving more than Alcaraz is these days
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
I personally think it is a no brainer. 3 slams and a YE#1. Name 50 who have done that.
RS
Bionic Poster
59 players have 3 slams or more than are known but of course that's not the only metric.
RS
Bionic Poster
To be honest I don't think it's that over the top having belief in yourself as a pro athlete. With the media always bringing up the debate.''I think I'm the most complete player to have existed. In my opinion, I think it's me. I do everything well in football: with my head, free-kicks, left foot. I'm fast, I'm strong.
"One thing is taste. If you like Messi, Pele, [Diego] Maradona, I understand that and I respect that, but saying Ronaldo isn't complete - I'm the most complete. I haven't seen anybody better than me and I say it from the heart."
Is Ronaldo right? Who is the most complete player in history? Let us know your thoughts below...''
Ironically I think Ronaldo is actually a specialist and not a fully complete do-everything playmaking engine.''I think I'm the most complete player to have existed. In my opinion, I think it's me. I do everything well in football: with my head, free-kicks, left foot. I'm fast, I'm strong.
"One thing is taste. If you like Messi, Pele, [Diego] Maradona, I understand that and I respect that, but saying Ronaldo isn't complete - I'm the most complete. I haven't seen anybody better than me and I say it from the heart."
Is Ronaldo right? Who is the most complete player in history? Let us know your thoughts below...''
And that his best GOAT case is that he compromises nothing in your build up play and can fit with any sort of variable chance creation, whereas Messi requires a team built around him and a specific style of play resultant from that.
RS
Bionic Poster
With Messi it's just his godly combo of scoring and playmaking. It's unseen and he did it for more or less 15 years at top level.
It's like he is a Xavi of playmaking combined with Ronaldo's goal scoring. I think Ronaldo's team built a great system around him as well just "different"
It's like he is a Xavi of playmaking combined with Ronaldo's goal scoring. I think Ronaldo's team built a great system around him as well just "different"
optic yellow
Legend
Which of those two would you be more confident about?
dking68
Legend
Wimbledon. Think he probably makes the final at RG and loses to Raz in five but avenges the loss at W.
Reason - Sinner holds serve so well. It’s hard to break him when fully fit.
I wouldnt be surprised if he defeats Alcaraz at RG. I noted a big improvement in his defense at the AO this year, and I do believe the time has come to win some clay titles. He could even achieve the sunshine double this year.
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dking68
Legend
@optic yellow these are my predictions for Sinner on the natural surfaces this year
Madrid - F
Rome - W
RG - F
Halle - W
Wimbledon - W
Madrid - F
Rome - W
RG - F
Halle - W
Wimbledon - W
optic yellow
Legend
Bookmarked for future audit.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
That member has made some crazy predictions. And they did turn out to be real lol
dking68
Legend
This is a 3 slam season for Sinner providing no ban. I predict this will be a bad year for Alcaraz and a coaching change is due.
RS
Bionic Poster
Are you a NBA casual or a hardcore follower?Game lost its way when they banned these moves.
The Guru
Legend
Because with the way the game has changed I don’t think it’s even possible to have the amount of defensive impact Russell had in his prime. If I believed Wemby was capable of reaching Russ levels of defensive impact then I would think he’d be on track to be goat.wait didn’t you say Russell is better than LeBron so why would mediocre offense stop someone from being the GOAT?
I’m probably overreacting but Wembanyama does things no player in NBA history has done or could do. Defensively is he there yet on a consistent night to night basis, no, not like they were, but I think he has the highest defensive ceiling ever. Dude is going to absolutely obliterate blocks records and he seems to be able to get his hands on more than anyone I’ve seen. And he is far from food on the perimeter. The things I’ve seen him do are inhuman. He just turns guys away with the force. I think he will clean up at DPOY for the foreseeable future (which will only inflate his resume and GOAT case)
They just need to get real defenders around him especially another big and it’ll be a perennial elite defense on his back. 4 blocks per game with mucho deflections and all the rim deterrence to go with it. Just unthinkable. That’s my ceiling case and why I say he can surpass MJ/LeBron - his defensive impact will be so ludicrous.
At the same time I actually agree with you I had much lower confidence in their front office before this trade. The Sochan experiment was just embarrassing and their GM seems super high on non-shooters which is a bit of a red flag. Chris Paul (all time great) is doing a ton of heavy lifting for that team functionally which will be hard to replace long term.
Still just getting a Fox this early will really help. I think that’s what was clearly missing in the development environment, someone who can actually profit off wemby’s gravity. His offense is a weird mix between KD and a more traditional big, and imo the self creation from the perimeter is not something I want a 7’4” guy relying on long term. This will get him into more predictable patterns closer to the basket and open up his screening and rolling. I like the move a lot.
At the highest level once you reach these level of freak athletes IQ and communication can be more important than a little extra length or burst. Defensively skys the limit for sure but I need to see more before I’m comfortable projecting him above guys who are on the defensive Mount Rushmore.
I have always had and continue to have faith in the spurs organization. This was 1 good move. They don’t need many more to be in perennial title contention and while titles aren’t the end all be all for me they certainly will be in the public consciousness.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
RS
Bionic Poster
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Efficiency, calm, aggressiveness, discipline and execution.
Number 1 in the ranking by far.
dking68
Legend
Last year the German player said his backhand was by far the best on tour. After his decisive loss against Sinner, he stated that the Italian has a way better backhand than he does. Why does he instill so much fear?Efficiency, calm, aggressiveness, discipline and execution.
Number 1 in the ranking by far.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Jannik needs to beat Carlos in a major to truly take that final step as the best player in his generation. He’s definitely more consistent and mature in his game but Carlos has a level he can go to where he can take over a match, similar to how Federer would just hit people off the court. Problem with Carlos is he hasn’t learned how to consistently play at a high level like Sinner has. This year I’d like to see Jannik get better moving forward and at net, that seems to be the weakest part of his game and helps explain why he struggles against Alcaraz
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Jannik not Carlos is showing dominance like Federer. Just like Federer, Jannik is great front runner and bad in longer matches.
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