Is Sinner already a top 25 player in history?

[clout]

At 23 years old, he's now won 2 majors, YEC, 4 Masters, 17 titles, 23 weeks at number 1 (and counting), Davis Cup, and a dominate YEN1 campaign.

In the open era, only 23 players have won more majors than him and among those with 2 majors (Hewitt, Safin, Kafelnikov, Nastase, Bruguera, and Rafter), I'd say Sinner stacks up pretty well against them already as none of them had such a dominant campaign over the rest of the tour as Sinner just had this past 14 months.

 

[Deleted member 805385]

No.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Ewww

 

[Lleytonstation]

Without a doubt.

 

[StefanosRespecter]

Yes.

 

[nighthawkrr]

He's a top 10 talent all time. If he can get to the top 5 remains to be seen, but definitely fun to watch.

 

[Deleted member 805385]

Top 25 all time in no particular order.

Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Gonzales, Laver, Rosewall, Sampras, Borg, Tilden, Budge, McEnroe, Agassi, Lendl, Connors, Kramer, Vines, Perry, Lacoste, Cochet, Becker, Edberg, Wilander, Hoad, Riggs, Johnston

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Top 30.

 

[vokazu]

Not with Clostebol, no.

 

[DSH]

Not with Clostebol, no.

Clostebol made him "unbeatable"?

 

[vokazu]

Clostebol made him "unbeatable"?

No, not unbeatable, but make him stronger and able to beat anyone.

Clostebol is favored by some drug cheats because it provides the benefits of elevated testosterone (muscle growth) with less elevated levels of estrogen as a byproduct.

 

[Winner Sinner]

At 23 years old, he's now won 2 majors, YEC, 4 Masters, 17 titles, 23 weeks at number 1 (and counting), Davis Cup, and a dominate YEN1 campaign.

In the open era, only 23 players have won more majors than him and among those with 2 majors (Hewitt, Safin, Kafelnikov, Nastase, Bruguera, and Rafter), I'd say Sinner stacks up pretty well against them already as none of them had such a dominant campaign over the rest of the tour as Sinner just had this past 14 months.

18

 

[StefanosRespecter]

Sinner in his last 5 tournaments:
27-1
4 titles, 1 runner-up
8 sets dropped in total
No sets dropped in one tournament (Turin)
1 set dropped in one tournament (Shanghai)
Only dropped 2 sets in USO

 

[clout]

Top 30.

if we don't count the super old guys I'd put Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Laver, Sampras, Borg, Connors, Lendl, Agassi, McEnroe, Rosewall, Wilander, Edberg, Becker, Murray, Newcombe, Courier, Alcaraz, Wawrinka, Ashe, and Guga ahead of him on the all time list which means he probably ranks somewhere between #22-27.

I think he's on a similar ranking to Nastase and Hewitt right now as I think he clears all the others with 2 slam-winners from a stats and level point of view.

 

[RG GOD]

A 2 times positive isn't even top 5000

 

[LOBALOT]

I would put him in the top 25 doper list.

Sinner doesn't deserve top 25 on any other list.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Sure, why not, but let's see if he'll achieve a Top 10 or Top 5 career. It's very early.

 

[Sudacafan]

Without a doubt.

No?

 

[ghostofMecir]

At 23 years old, he's now won 2 majors, YEC, 4 Masters, 17 titles, 23 weeks at number 1 (and counting), Davis Cup, and a dominate YEN1 campaign.

In the open era, only 23 players have won more majors than him and among those with 2 majors (Hewitt, Safin, Kafelnikov, Nastase, Bruguera, and Rafter), I'd say Sinner stacks up pretty well against them already as none of them had such a dominant campaign over the rest of the tour as Sinner just had this past 14 months.

Maybe not career wise but has a good case. If you factor in top level, then yes already.

 

[Lleytonstation]

No?

Name 25 better players

 

[Sudacafan]

Name 25 better players

I am going to bed.

 

[Tennfan123]

He’ll get there, provided he can play.

 

[Lleytonstation]

I am going to bed.

I will name one who is not better than Sinner.

Pancho.

 

[Aabye5]

I will name one who is not better than Sinner.

Pancho.

Silly. Pancho is better than mythical peak Gulbis. That's like...1000 times better than Jannik.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Top 25 open era likely.

I don't think all time is possible in 1 season. There are far many more knowledgeable people than me and they will say. I don't think both sinner and Carlos are top 25 yet.

 

[JMR]

Top 25 open era likely.

I don't think all time is possible in 1 season. There are far many more knowledgeable people than me and they will say. I don't think both sinner and Carlos are top 25 yet.

The pre-Open Era is vast. For example, one player whose name has been totally absent from this discussion (until now!) is Roy Emerson. Emmo held the slam record for 33 years! But because his wins came entirely in the amateur era, they tend to be forgotten or discounted -- even though contemporaries like Laver and Rosewall do tend to get credit for their amateur titles as well as their pro era and Open Era titles. I'm certainly not saying the Emerson is the GOAT, but surely he has a reasonable case to be included in the top 25 players of all time.

 

[Pheasant]

He’s a top-10 in talent and is likely climbing, due to his wicked serving lately. However, one year does not make a top-25 player. However, if he repeats 2024 next year, then I’d put him in the top-25; probably even top-20.

 

[nolefam_2024]

The pre-Open Era is vast. For example, one player whose name has been totally absent from this discussion (until now!) is Roy Emerson. Emmo held the slam record for 33 years! But because his wins came entirely in the amateur era, they tend to be forgotten or discounted -- even though contemporaries like Laver and Rosewall do tend to get credit for their amateur titles as well as their pro era and Open Era titles. I'm certainly not saying the Emerson is the GOAT, but surely he has a reasonable case to be included in the top 25 players of all time.

Emerson , Kramer , tilden, hoad , Gonzales all belong in top 25.

 

[Rovesciarete]

If you look at the record books I say no, you have to respect the long history of this sport, although he is also one of the greatest talents the sport has ever had.

 

[nolefam_2024]

If you look at the record books I say no, you have to respect the long history of this sport, although he is also one of the greatest talents the sport has ever had.

He can finish top 20 all time for sure. Andre Agassi didn't have more dominant season ever and Andre played till 36 and may be in the lower half of top 25.

 

[Rovesciarete]

He can finish top 20 all time for sure. Andre Agassi didn't have more dominant season ever and Andre played till 36 and may be in the lower half of top 25.

Eye and Elo suggest very strong future results. Did another 23 year old finish over the 2300 mark in the last two decades? Not Federer nor Djokovic.

Nadal in 2008 snuck past it!

 

[nolefam_2024]

Eye and Elo suggest very strong future results. Did another 23 year old cross the 2300 mark in the last two decades?

Federer should have no brainer. Nadal as well. And Djokovic would be very close.

 

[Shaolin]

Clostebol use puts a huge asterisk on his career.

 

[Service Ace]

Nobody who has tested positive twice for doping can be in the top 100 all time.

 

[Tano]

At 23 years old, he's now won 2 majors, YEC, 4 Masters, 17 titles, 23 weeks at number 1 (and counting), Davis Cup, and a dominate YEN1 campaign.

In the open era, only 23 players have won more majors than him and among those with 2 majors (Hewitt, Safin, Kafelnikov, Nastase, Bruguera, and Rafter), I'd say Sinner stacks up pretty well against them already as none of them had such a dominant campaign over the rest of the tour as Sinner just had this past 14 months.

In the Open Era, possibly.
All times, definitely not.

 

[airchallenge2]

Nobody who has tested positive twice for doping can be in the top 100 all time.

I like your thinking.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Nobody who has tested positive twice for doping can be in the top 100 all time.

lol, that is so silly. So now Barry Bonds is not a top 100 player?

 

[thrust]

At 23 years old, he's now won 2 majors, YEC, 4 Masters, 17 titles, 23 weeks at number 1 (and counting), Davis Cup, and a dominate YEN1 campaign.

In the open era, only 23 players have won more majors than him and among those with 2 majors (Hewitt, Safin, Kafelnikov, Nastase, Bruguera, and Rafter), I'd say Sinner stacks up pretty well against them already as none of them had such a dominant campaign over the rest of the tour as Sinner just had this past 14 months.

NOT YET!

 

[NatF]

No way.

 

[airchallenge2]

lol, that is so silly. So now Barry Bonds is not a top 100 player?

Of course not, Did you see the size of his helmet when he finished his career, hahaha

 

[Service Ace]

lol, that is so silly. So now Barry Bonds is not a top 100 player?

He isn’t in the hall of fame, so no.

 

[Hitman]

If he isn't, he is certainly on the borderline now.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

God no. Here's just a bunch of names who are better. I included everyone in the the open era with 3 slams (except for Wawrinka who I think Sinner has passed), and then included everyone in the amateur era with 5 slams (but not Sears). So there's still many more.

Djokovic
Nadal
Federer
Sampras
Bjorg
Connors
Lendl
Agassi
McEnroe
Wilander
Edberg
Becker
Laver
Newcombe
Rosewall
Vilas
Courier
Alcaraz
Ashe
Kodes
Kuerten
Murray
Emerson
Tilden
Perry
Renshaw
Larned
Lacoste
Cochet
Doherty
Wilding
Crawford
Budge
Sedgman
Trabert


There's still many more but i'll stop there

 

[tennis_pro]

Sinner in his last 5 tournaments:
27-1
4 titles, 1 runner-up
8 sets dropped in total
No sets dropped in one tournament (Turin)
1 set dropped in one tournament (Shanghai)
Only dropped 2 sets in USO

Who did he beat again?

Ah yes the only player that matter he lost to LMAO.

 

[NattyGut]

God no. Here's just a bunch of names who are better. I included everyone in the the open era with 3 slams (except for Wawrinka who I think Sinner has passed), and then included everyone in the amateur era with 5 slams (but not Sears). So there's still many more.

Djokovic
Nadal
Federer
Sampras
Bjorg
Connors
Lendl
Agassi
McEnroe
Wilander
Edberg
Becker
Laver
Newcombe
Rosewall
Vilas
Courier
Alcaraz
Ashe
Kodes
Kuerten
Murray
Emerson
Tilden
Perry
Renshaw
Larned
Lacoste
Cochet
Doherty
Wilding
Crawford
Budge
Sedgman
Trabert


There's still many more but i'll stop there

Alcaraz but not Sinner. Funny guy

 

[Spencer Gore]

At 23 years old, he's now won 2 majors, YEC, 4 Masters, 17 titles, 23 weeks at number 1 (and counting), Davis Cup, and a dominate YEN1 campaign.

In the open era, only 23 players have won more majors than him and among those with 2 majors (Hewitt, Safin, Kafelnikov, Nastase, Bruguera, and Rafter), I'd say Sinner stacks up pretty well against them already as none of them had such a dominant campaign over the rest of the tour as Sinner just had this past 14 months.

Fact Check:
Tennis existed for 91 years before the Open Era.

 

[tennis_pro]

No, but if he keeps doping he'll get there in no time.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Alcaraz but not Sinner. Funny guy

If you need me to explain 4 slams versus 2 slams than you probably don’t belong on this forum babe.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Who did he beat again?

Ah yes the only player that matter he lost to LMAO.

The only player that matters?

LOL

And in any case the one who you consider to be the only player who counts in that streak was busy getting eliminated by players like VdZ, Machac, Humbert and Ruud, all people that Sinner has destroyed or would destroy.
Think about how you are with delusions.

 

[tennis_pro]

I thought you were done arguing? Or is the pain too much? GONNA DEFEND MY COUNTRYMAN GRRRR HOW DARE HE GRRRRR!

The only player that matters?

Yes. Djokovic is super old and will probably retire next year. Zverev can catch some form from time to time and that's it. Alcaraz is the only players that matters this year and he's 3-0 against Sinner. Hard facts.

And in any case the one who you consider to be the only player who counts in that streak was busy getting eliminated by players like VdZ, Machac, Humbert and Ruud, all people that Sinner has destroyed or would destroy.

Yes it's been well established that Sinner is extremely good at beating waiters. He can keep pounding on the Taylor Fritzes of the world all day all night, baby.