Is Sinner better clay player than Dominic Thiem, Tsitsipas, Ruud, Zverev, Ferrer

Is Sinner better than all on clay?

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nolefam_2024

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Now we are deep into the clay season, its time to analyze.

Thiem is now retired clay player. He reached peak on clay in 2017 to 2019 when he was in Madrid, Rome and RG finals. He has won 1 title at Barcelona.

Zverev peaked on clay in 2021 to 2024 where he has reached finals of Madrid, Rome, RG and also won Rome once.

Tsitsipas has peaked during 2020 to 2023 where he reached MC, Madrid, Rome, RG final and won MC 3 times.

Ruud is still ongoing with title last week in Madrid. He has reached MC , Madrid, RG finals.

Ferrer reached finals of MC, RG and peaked between 2010 to 2014.

Sinner is yet to reach any final on clay at masters or slam level but he has crossed 60% games which none of the guys above have reached except Ferrer. He is strong favorite to reach Rome final. So this would be his first big final.
 
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He can be but has not proven it yet.

A player with 0 clay Masters and 0 RG Finals appearances cannot be considered better than these guys listed. That’s just ridiculous.

Let’s just watch the career of his play out. The historical comparisons can come later. It gets exhausting constantly ranking/re-ranking players during tournaments, so much is still unwritten.
 
Kralingen said:
He can be but has not proven it yet.

A player with 0 clay Masters and 0 RG Finals appearances cannot be considered better than these guys listed. That’s just ridiculous.

Let’s just watch the career of his play out. The historical comparisons can come later. It gets exhausting constantly ranking/re-ranking players during tournaments, so much is still unwritten.
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Right. Stef has 3 MC crowns and two other clay titles.

Sinner has Umag22

Now is Sinner's level higher right now? Probably
 
Rosstour said:
Ya. 6-3 lol with some hardcourt defeats sprinkled in....like how does TPas take Sinner down at AO twice lol
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Let's see. I don't think sinner today will have issue with tsitsipas. Tsitsipas had declined a lot. And sinner even last year would have beaten tsitsipas in mc before the line call.
 
Rosstour said:
Ya. 6-3 lol with some hardcourt defeats sprinkled in....like how does TPas take Sinner down at AO twice lol
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Ironically, AO has been the best slam for Stef since his breakthrough year, and when playing well, he can rush Sinner off that FH wing & Jannik also struggles to read the Greek's first serve; which makes this matchup interesting.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Let's see. I don't think sinner today will have issue with tsitsipas. Tsitsipas had declined a lot. And sinner even last year would have beaten tsitsipas in mc before the line call.
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Yeah but TPas was getting Sinner even when Sinner was already supposed to become The Messiah

Zverev has winning record against him too. He's not invincible, there are players he doesn't match up well with.

Carlos, TPas, Zverev. What do they do that Casper Ruud and many other players can't?
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Let's see. I don't think sinner today will have issue with tsitsipas. Tsitsipas had declined a lot. And sinner even last year would have beaten tsitsipas in mc before the line call.
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Line call or no line call, the supposedly new Djokovic should not be losing 4 of the next 5 games if he is indeed the new Djokovic.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Ironically, AO has been the best slam for Stef since his breakthrough year, and when playing well, he can rush Sinner off that FH wing & Jannik also struggles to read the Greek's first serve; which makes this matchup interesting.
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I think that all things considered, TPas is a far superior athlete to Sinner.
 
This is like the 10th Sinner thread we've seen!! It's like the Fed era of TTW all over again. Stop with the hypotheticals and wait for the matches to come along. The kid is good, great even but the glazing needs to be brought down a smidge.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Not really, Sinner is the superior athlete (with d0ping boost ofcourse); but Tsitsipas's game just troubles him much more than most others'.
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TPas serve +1 is one of the best in the game.

And he is much better than Sinner at moving forward, Sinner is better than TPas in lateral movement.

TPas has never had stamina/nausea issues on court and has a much bigger upper body. I think you are underrating him. He's one of the most dynamic players on tour and it's easy to underrate if you haven't seen him in person
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Line call or no line call, the supposedly new Djokovic should not be losing 4 of the next 5 games if he is indeed the new Djokovic.
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Why not? Sinner is still improving. He is better today than last year. What was in the past is done. I would definitely put sinner as strong fav vs tsitsipas today in AO and on clay.
 
Rosstour said:
TPas serve +1 is one of the best in the game.

And he is much better than Sinner at moving forward, Sinner is better than TPas in lateral movement.

TPas has never had stamina/nausea issues on court and has a much bigger upper body. I think you are underrating him. He's one of the most dynamic players on tour and it's easy to underrate if you haven't seen him in person
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Why is he in a consistent decline since 2021 then?
 
Eye review, I would put him above Ruud but below all of the others.

Result wise? He's below all of them, even Ruud. He only has one clay title right? Performances don't matter as much as results do but there is time for him!
 
Terenigma said:
Eye review, I would put him above Ruud but below all of the others.

Result wise? He's below all of them, even Ruud. He only has one clay title right? Performances don't matter as much as results do but there is time for him!
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He beat Zverev at age 19. And reached RG QF. Youngest of all these players.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
He beat Zverev at age 19. And reached RG QF. Youngest of all these players.
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Granted but Zverev has 4 clay masters, beating Djokovic and Thiem in the finals among them and even beating Nadal at Madrid as well as having a Roland Garros final. He's significantly ahead of Sinner right now on clay. All but Thiem have clay masters but Thiem has a handful of clay titles and has made the RG final twice. Sinner for sure has time but as of right now, he's the worst of the lot.
 
Sinner is good enough to win 2022 Umag, but nothing on clay in 2023, 2024, 2025 !!
Does that make Sinner the worst #1 on clay we've ever seen?
Yes.

But in all fairness, Sinner's only been ranked #1 for 49 weeks, and he hasn't been able to beat the previous #1 ranked player (Alcaraz) in 2024.
So maybe Sinner isn't really a #1 ranked player, and only got the ranking because Alcaraz hardly played any clay events in 2024...
So we shouldn't judge Sinner by the standards of a #1 ranked player.
 
If Sinner wins the French Open then I shall be inclined to believe that he is better than Thiem on clay.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Now we are deep into the clay season, its time to analyze.

Thiem is now retired clay player. He reached peak on clay in 2017 to 2019 when he was in Madrid, Rome and RG finals. He has won 1 title at Barcelona.

Zverev peaked on clay in 2021 to 2024 where he has reached finals of Madrid, Rome, RG and also won Rome once.

Tsitsipas has peaked during 2020 to 2023 where he reached MC, Madrid, Rome, RG final and won MC 3 times.

Ruud is still ongoing with title last week in Madrid. He has reached MC , Madrid, RG finals.

Ferrer reached finals of MC, RG and peaked between 2010 to 2014.

Sinner is yet to reach any final on clay at masters or slam level but he has crossed 60% games which none of the guys above have reached except Ferrer. He is strong favorite to reach Rome final. So this would be his first big final.
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I would say sinner has the potential, but currently Ruud and Thiem are better
 
0-3 vs nads never took a set off him on clay. This is disrespectful to thiem and zed who btw ended the claydal reign
 
In terms of level, Sinner has surpassed Tsitsipas, Ruud and Ferrer, very likely Zverev too. Thiem is the one who can argue with Sinner in terms of peak level. But he lacks achievements on the surface; he never won RG; understandable because of Nadal, but having 0 clay Masters is a stain on his resume for someone who could play so well on the surface. Sinner doesn't have big achievements on the surface, but he lost the past two years to Alcaraz at the French, and he came as close as you can to winning last year. It's just a matter of time before he gets his hands on a M1000 and eventually RG as well.

Sinner only lost to Alcaraz on clay this year (Rome and RG).

Last year, he also lost to Alcaraz at RG, he gave a WO in Madrid, and in Montecarlo he was ROBBED against Tsitsipas, a match he was dominating, aside from the fact that he also got an injury in said match. He basically has no legit defeats against someone not named Alcaraz on clay since his breakthrough in the second half of 2023.
 
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In terms of level, Magnus Norman is up there, from the 2000 Italian Open and 2000 French Open. He also won 7 clay singles titles in his career, including the 2000 Italian Open where he beat Kuerten 6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4 in the final.

Jannik Sinner to date has won 1 career clay title, i.e. 2022 Umag.
 
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