Is sportsmanship lost in pro tennis?

equinox said:
I watched this point, where murray showed lack of sportsmanship. Clearly he should concede the point to tonylars. Instead murray complains and weasels replay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9PG0nbC-Js&feature=related
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well **** happens. tennis is imo still the fairest sport.

i liked the interview bogomolov gave today after his match. it really fits into this thread. basicly he said and recommended it to "all kids out there": "winning ugly is better than losing. winning is the most important"

and i dont see this as a bad thing. its just the reality. this bogomolov guy seems like an honest and logical guy.
 
That's pretty expected. I think federer did the same thing when nadal had almost the same thing happen to him, except it was a ball girl who came onto the court and fed complained it should have been replayed. Anyways, if anything Troicki should have been the one angry over the point because it did need to be replayed, I don't see why you're involving murray into this.
 
Jerks win tennis.

I'd take any advantage to get back that point if I needed it. The kid shouldn't worry, but I think any sort of protocol regarding interference should be implemented.
 
cork_screw said:
That's pretty expected. I think federer did the same thing when nadal had almost the same thing happen to him, except it was a ball girl who came onto the court and fed complained it should have been replayed. Anyways, if anything Troicki should have been the one angry over the point because it did need to be replayed, I don't see why you're involving murray into this.
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Federer was being a twit. The ball girl made no difference whatsoever in that particular point. He was on the other side of the court and Nadal comfortably put the ball away in the open court. That's when the ball girl ran in. :lol:
 
cork_screw said:
That's pretty expected. I think federer did the same thing when nadal had almost the same thing happen to him, except it was a ball girl who came onto the court and fed complained it should have been replayed. Anyways, if anything Troicki should have been the one angry over the point because it did need to be replayed, I don't see why you're involving murray into this.
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Murray probably should've conceded the point; that's a smash Troicki would make 998 times out of 1000 (the two he'd miss were because he's so used to hitting it he'd stupidly try and hit it with his eyes closed)

Murray was completely out of position and would never have tracked the ball down; for all intents and purposes, that was Troicki's point. But Murray wouldn't ever actually do that..
 
Andy should have probably conceded the point. Not so sure he was that out of position though. Seems to me he stopped from running to the other side when he saw the ball boy... poor kid.

ben123 said:
well **** happens. tennis is imo still the fairest sport.

i liked the interview bogomolov gave today after his match. it really fits into this thread. basicly he said and recommended it to "all kids out there": "winning ugly is better than losing. winning is the most important"

and i dont see this as a bad thing. its just the reality. this bogomolov guy seems like an honest and logical guy.
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Well, not sure what Bolgomolov meant there, but I sure hope he didn't mean to advise them to cheat. AFAIK, winning "ugly" isn't the same as cheating.
 
Crisstti said:
Andy should have probably conceded the point. Not so sure he was that out of position though. Seems to me he stopped from running to the other side when he saw the ball boy... poor kid.



Well, not sure what Bolgomolov meant there, but I sure hope he didn't mean to advise them to cheat. AFAIK, winning "ugly" isn't the same as cheating.
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nono he got to the topic because he had a "bad day" but still fought through volandri winning in 3. i think he sounds like a good guy (not the i do everything what you tell me guys who go into your ***. he seems to be honest and thinks for himself etc, i really appreciate things like that)

but still you can imagine much into this "winning ugly"
 
Do the ball boys/girls even watch the point or do they watch the net and wait for the "fault" call? After a point like that the players will take at least 15 seconds before they play the next one, and the ball boys/girls can get to the other side of the net in 3 or 4 seconds if they sprint. Why do they have to shoot out of their position right then, and atleast wait until they are sure the point is over?
 
Tammo said:
Do the ball boys/girls even watch the point or do they watch the net and wait for the "fault" call? After a point like that the players will take at least 15 seconds before they play the next one, and the ball boys/girls can get to the other side of the net in 3 or 4 seconds if they sprint. Why do they have to shoot out of their position right then, and atleast wait until they are sure the point is over?
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I don't know if the ball boys in the bigger tournaments are any different but when I ball boy'd in a challenger I would watch the whole point. I even got into some of the matches very closely but I made sure not to show it.
 
According to the rules, yes, Murray deserves the point; but his reaction was funny. It looked as though he was saying "what?! That ballkid disrupted me when I would have easily gotten to Troicki's putaway smash!"
 
To all those saying Murray should have conceded - let's be honest, would you have conceded? Give you truth serum, and 99% of the time it's "No". I consider myself to be a fair competitor, but in that situation it's just bad luck. But you shouldn't overstep since it's nothing that you (Murray) had control of as far as the ballkid running out. Troicki could have made it, but he could have missed, or shanked, and Murray could have stayed in the point. But it's not clear cut that Murray should have conceded the point, and not poor sportsmanship that he didn't.
 
I don't know the score here but this match was at a Grand Slam, went 5 sets and Murray ended it injured...

If he was a saint he would have given the point away, there was now ay he was getting there, but he might have made a dead sprint if the ball boy hadn't (idiotically) ran onto court.

On the hole tennis, along with cricket perhaps, is the most gentlemanly sport, almost to a fault...while I'm a fan of Nadal, his whole attitude of subservience and excessive compliments of Fed, Novak and Murray is a bit annoying. Tennis is still a competition.

Anyone catch Celtics/Knicks on Christmas Day? KG choked out Bill Walker after he missed a buzzer beater. Not good sportsmanship by any stretch of the imagination, but at least it gets the blood boiling. Tennis players are too nice sometimes.
 
ben123 said:
well **** happens. tennis is imo still the fairest sport.

i liked the interview bogomolov gave today after his match. it really fits into this thread. basicly he said and recommended it to "all kids out there": "winning ugly is better than losing. winning is the most important"

and i dont see this as a bad thing. its just the reality. this bogomolov guy seems like an honest and logical guy.
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I think the adage is "Winning ugly is better than losing pretty."
 
Winning "ugly" implies grinding, not cheating. It is a noble pursuit of victory. Brad Gilbert was the gold standard of that activity.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
To all those saying Murray should have conceded - let's be honest, would you have conceded? Give you truth serum, and 99% of the time it's "No". I consider myself to be a fair competitor, but in that situation it's just bad luck. But you shouldn't overstep since it's nothing that you (Murray) had control of as far as the ballkid running out. Troicki could have made it, but he could have missed, or shanked, and Murray could have stayed in the point. But it's not clear cut that Murray should have conceded the point, and not poor sportsmanship that he didn't.
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Yeah, I do think Murray could maybe have stayed in the point. It wasn't so clear...

tacou said:
On the hole tennis, along with cricket perhaps, is the most gentlemanly sport, almost to a fault...while I'm a fan of Nadal, his whole attitude of subservience and excessive compliments of Fed, Novak and Murray is a bit annoying. Tennis is still a competition.
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But if he does as much as suggesting that if he plays better he can beat Novak, people here jump in outrage at his arrogance, lol.

stringertom said:
Winning "ugly" implies grinding, not cheating. It is a noble pursuit of victory. Brad Gilbert was the gold standard of that activity.
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Yeah, that's how I understand it as well.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
To all those saying Murray should have conceded - let's be honest, would you have conceded? Give you truth serum, and 99% of the time it's "No". I consider myself to be a fair competitor, but in that situation it's just bad luck. But you shouldn't overstep since it's nothing that you (Murray) had control of as far as the ballkid running out. Troicki could have made it, but he could have missed, or shanked, and Murray could have stayed in the point. But it's not clear cut that Murray should have conceded the point, and not poor sportsmanship that he didn't.
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If you ask me. I would.
 
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