Is Talk Tennis Forum dying?

beard

Hall of Fame
It is dying, yes. But the 40-15 saved it from already being dead.
Yes, 40-15 was the biggest turning point in history of forum...

Many unbearable posters left, and made this place much more pleasant... USO result helped that great trend with more Fednatics leaving...

Next Nadals slam will brake even most optimistic Federer hard core fans, and after some very deserved nose rubbing of Fednatics leftovers, this place will finally became nice tennis forum...
 
Yes, 40-15 was the biggest turning point in history of forum...

Many unbearable posters left, and made this place much more pleasant... USO result helped that great trend with more Fednatics leaving...

Next Nadals slam will brake even most optimistic Federer hard core fans, and after some very deserved nose rubbing of Fednatics leftovers, this place will finally became nice tennis forum...
The echo chamber made out of cotton wool scented with Roses and Nadal’s musky sweat. Heaven!
 
I don't usually write here because my mother tongue is Spanish and it would take me a long time to do it perfectly if I want to write long posts, but I frequently read the threads, your opinions and trollings xD I think this is, or used to be, the biggest forum to talk about the sport we love. However, lately I have the feeling that there are less people than ever writing and watching matches. It seems the GOAT debate is getting aaaaaall the attention right now, and in spite of being a fascinating thing, it starts to be boring.

What do you think? am I wrong and the forum activity is the same as usual? the GOAT debate is bad for tennis outside the Big 3 and Grand Slams?
You could argue tennis is struggling so the hype around it would be too. Do we honestly have any new up and coming superstars? Because we have been talking about them forever and they never turn out to be.

People get excited by new blood, especially when trying to get new fans. So I don't think we are losing original tennis fans, but not bringing in tons of new fans.
 
I don’t have a say in this matter because I only joined last year, but I think quality noticeably dipped after 40-15. Just too many trolls imo. I think it’s still a nice forum, though.
Yeah, only been here a year as well, but I think it is more in waves due to the big3 performances and who is "on top" at the moment.

Until we spread out the fan base by getting new slam winner, it will continue this way.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
I imagine TTW will see quite the downturn when Rafa passes Fed because there are just legions if Fed fans on here thy ya have attached their identity to Fed and his being “the greatest”. When they no longer have that I expect a lot to limp off into the night
 

Mckeon

New User
There was this poll and turns out a lot of Fed fans left. It’s more Rafa fans than Fed fans here now. Was notable after Wimbledon 19 and also USO 19.
So yeah, less posters cause less Fed fans.
This was well known as a Federer fan forum. On Facebook , which has largely killed forums like this, the tennis pages used to mock this site as a Federer tribute forum. But since 2017 when Nadal locker down no.1 I noticed on other sites that Federer fans seemed a lot less vocal and that continued with every Major Nadal was winning and of course djokovic. But Wimbledon 2019 seemed the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. On Facebook Federer fans have largely disappeared and then after US Open its all Nadal fans.

I always assumed on this site Federer fans would remain as it’s quite a closed group and it seems a membership of only around 50 of us but even here it’s gone very quiet. But I’m not sure on here if it’s because Nadal is almost certain to overtake Federer over next couple of years or simply because in 2020 this type of forum is a bit old fashioned . You have to login with a password etc whereas on other social media sites you can post immediately on your phone .
 

King No1e

Legend
I love Thiem and if there is a guy I can handle Nadal losing to it would be him but I think Thiem missed his boat to be honest.
I'm hoping not. Thiem won IW, beat Djokovic again at RG, beat Nadal in Barcelona without dropping serve once, and had a fantastic indoor season. 2020 will probably be his peak.
 

KG1965

Legend
I don't usually write here because my mother tongue is Spanish and it would take me a long time to do it perfectly if I want to write long posts, but I frequently read the threads, your opinions and trollings xD I think this is, or used to be, the biggest forum to talk about the sport we love. However, lately I have the feeling that there are less people than ever writing and watching matches. It seems the GOAT debate is getting aaaaaall the attention right now, and in spite of being a fascinating thing, it starts to be boring.

What do you think? am I wrong and the forum activity is the same as usual? the GOAT debate is bad for tennis outside the Big 3 and Grand Slams?
I agree with you 100%.
GS and GOAT. GS and GOAT.GS and GOAT.GS and GOAT. GS and GOAT. GS and GOAT.GS and GOAT.GS and GOAT....
 
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BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
There are just legions if Fed fans on here thy ya have attached their identity to Fed and his being “the greatest”. When they no longer have that I expect a lot to limp off into the night
And you honestly don't think the moment Nadal retires his fans will also limp off into the night? You restrict this observation solely to Federer fans, when there are countless Nadal and Djokovic posters here who quite brazenly live vicariously through their idol. When Nadal lost to Fed in the Wimbledon semis in 2019, three of the most vociferous Nadal fans here stopped posting until late into the USO when Nadal had reached the semis. So they limped off into the night until Nadal came back triumphant.

Don't be so insular or naive as to think what you said about Fed fans doesn't apply to 85% of the other fan bases as well. Why? Because they are fans of one player and are not tennis fans.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
And you honestly don't think the moment Nadal retires his fans will also limp off into the night? You restrict this observation solely to Federer fans, when there are countless Nadal and Djokovic posters here who quite brazenly live vicariously through their idol. When Nadal lost to Fed in the Wimbledon semis in 2019, three of the most vociferous Nadal fans here stopped posting until late into the USO when Nadal had reached the semis. So they limped off into the night until Nadal came back triumphant.

Don't be so insular or naive as to think what you said about Fed fans doesn't apply to 85% of the other fan bases as well. Why? Because they are fans of one player and are not tennis fans.
I guess we’ll see. I think that the down turns of 2015 and 2017 bled off those types of fans from the Rafa/Djokovic camps.

rafa alone will gain tons of fans if he sets the record

And just being a fan of the player isn’t the issue per se. There are a significant contingent of fans who are only on the Fed bandwagon because he’s held the record the last decade. They hopped on BECAUSE he was the goat not because they loved his tactics per se.Those guys will disappear
 

Chadwix

Professional
because they played the game, and were mostly interested in practical discussions and not about validation of their own presence.
Maybe in 2004-2005, this section never really had good/knowledgable players posting here. Heck, suresh could probably beat more than 98% of these users in this section. People laugh at him but at least he plays
 
Way too many salt lords for sure.

But the saltiest have pretty much been rendered impotent at this point.

Bunch of them still post... neutered now, though.

In short, most folks have learned their roles. :sneaky:
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Maybe in 2004-2005, this section never really had good/knowledgable players posting here. Heck, suresh could probably beat more than 98% of these users in this section. People laugh at him but at least he plays
I am talking in general about the genesis of the existence of forums like TTW. I wasn't here around the time you are talking about, so I wouldn't know, but it is a fact that more and more of the so called posters have never picked up a tennis racquet, nor have they ever consistently practiced any sport: the level of ignorance regarding the sport is way too high for those things to not be so.

 
I am talking in general about the genesis of the existence of forums like TTW. I wasn't here around the time you are talking about, so I wouldn't know, but it is a fact that more and more of the so called posters have never picked up a tennis racquet, nor have they ever consistently practiced any sport: the level of ignorance regarding the sport is way too high for those things to not be so.

Which is the biggest obstacle to healthy communication here, in your opinion?

Continually find myself stunned by the deficit in fundamental reasoning capacity.

Even a language barrier doesn’t excuse some of these folks.

If you ran a similar site, would you raise the entry bar?
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
I imagine TTW will see quite the downturn when Rafa passes Fed because there are just legions if Fed fans on here thy ya have attached their identity to Fed and his being “the greatest”. When they no longer have that I expect a lot to limp off into the night
Most Federer fans were fans of some other player before Federer came along and will be fans of other players that carry on the same type of game after he is retired (Tsitsipas has the promise and the style, so he is an easy choice at the moment). It is the Nadal (and to a lesser extend the Djokovic fanbase) that have unhealthy obsession with Nadal on a personal level, and find it hard to transition, as tennis wasn't their primary link to Nadal anyway. The days of their teenage affections are slowly passing, and they start to realise that life goes on after the teenage years and it is stupid to be a fan of a tennis player, just because you thought that he is a "rebel" and "hot". Nadal is bald, and he is more a businessmen than anything else. It will also get worse.

 
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Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Which is the biggest obstacle to healthy communication here, in your opinion?

Continually find myself stunned by the deficit in fundamental reasoning capacity.

Even a language barrier doesn’t excuse some of these folks.

If you ran a similar site, would you raise the entry bar?
I owe you an explanation that I promised some time ago and never got around to give. I will PM you soon with the answer to your question regarding the structure of the forum I told you about in the past. For the thread here, let's say that it is better if the members that have shown a modicum of "reasoning capacity" and are balanced posters have special rights that go beyond posting only. For example, such members could have the right to moderate the threads they themselves start. That way they can pick their topics of interest and not one ill intentioned poster will be able to get any foothold in his activities. You will be surprised how powerful tool that is, as even a small, but very healthy group of such posters will dominate the forum level and tone. That is an absolute necessity: that some sort of good intention is a predominant objective in the discussions.

 
I owe you an explanation that I promised some time ago and never got around to give. I will PM you soon with the answer to your question regarding the structure of the forum I told you about in the past. For the thread here, let's say that it is better if the members that have shown a modicum of "reasoning capacity" and are balanced posters have special rights that go beyond posting only. For example, such members could have the right to moderate the threads they themselves start. That way they can pick their topics of interest and not one ill intentioned poster will be able to get any foothold in his activities. You will be surprised how powerful tool that is, as even a small, but very healthy group of such posters will dominate the forum level and tone. That is an absolute necessity: that some sort of good intention is a predominant objective in the discussions.

Great.

I definitely believe that differences of opinion are perfectly reasonable—if not vital—for sustaining dialogue amongst strangers. Want to be clear about that.

I draw the line at tribal “groupthink.”
I’m more than willing to listen to people who’ve done some legwork in the formulation of their views.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
If you don't care about the young guys who are around week-to-week, and the majors and the big 3 are the only thing that matters to you, then I guess you'd start to make up nonsense about whether 2006 Federer could beat 2011 Djokovic on Mars playing with a wire stringbed and a metal ball due to the low gravity and thin atmosphere. I think if the big 3 retired tomorrow, I think there'd be something like a 90% drop in activity here. I think the player that comes to mind when I think of younger generations of players is Tomic. We're in such an era of decadence in tennis that the players have better things to do than improve their games and pursue a place in history. I guess we're in an era where both players and fans just don't give a damn.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Most Federer fans were fans of some other player before Federer came along and will be fans of other players that carry on the same type of game after he is retired (Tsitsipas has the promise and the style, so he is an easy choice at the moment). It is the Nadal (and to a lesser extend the Djokovic fanbase) that have unhealthy obsession with Nadal on a personal level, and find it hard to transition, as tennis wasn't their primary link to Nadal anyway. The days of their teenage affections are slowly passing, and they start to realise that life goes on after the teenage years and it is stupid to be a fan of a tennis player, just because you thought that he is a "rebel" and "hot". Nadal is bald, and he is more a businessmen than anything else. It will also get worse.

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Mckeon

New User
I'm hoping not. Thiem won IW, beat Djokovic again at RG, beat Nadal in Barcelona without dropping serve once, and had a fantastic indoor season. 2020 will probably be his peak.
What worried me for Thiem is in WTF he choked. He choked v Rafa in Paris last year after getting to a set app as he didn’t react at all to Nadal shortening points and he is very old to be a first time Major winner. Nadal will be utterly unstoppable in roland Garros to get 20 Majors. I do not expect much from Nadal in Melbourne as I think he will concentrate on clay this season until May. I can see Nadal and Djokovic splitting Majors again this year as nobody is close to either even over 3 sets let alone 5.

Injury is the biggest threat to Nadal and Djokovic. Thiem I think may struggle to stay on top 8 this season . Hope I’m wrong as I’m a big fan. I dislike Tisitsipas
 

Mckeon

New User
Most Federer fans were fans of some other player before Federer came along and will be fans of other players that carry on the same type of game after he is retired (Tsitsipas has the promise and the style, so he is an easy choice at the moment). It is the Nadal (and to a lesser extend the Djokovic fanbase) that have unhealthy obsession with Nadal on a personal level, and find it hard to transition, as tennis wasn't their primary link to Nadal anyway. The days of their teenage affections are slowly passing, and they start to realise that life goes on after the teenage years and it is stupid to be a fan of a tennis player, just because you thought that he is a "rebel" and "hot". Nadal is bald, and he is more a businessmen than anything else. It will also get worse.

Hey? Is this a a parody post? Federer fans are by and large not actually sports fans and more like an obsessed cult. Pretty much all Nadal fans used to like Agassi and love thiem now. Federer fans do not have a good word to say about anyone! I have seen Federer fans hate on Lebron James Tom Brady Ronaldo Messi and Bolt and Phelps when they get more attention.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I don't usually write here because my mother tongue is Spanish and it would take me a long time to do it perfectly if I want to write long posts, but I frequently read the threads, your opinions and trollings xD I think this is, or used to be, the biggest forum to talk about the sport we love. However, lately I have the feeling that there are less people than ever writing and watching matches. It seems the GOAT debate is getting aaaaaall the attention right now, and in spite of being a fascinating thing, it starts to be boring.

What do you think? am I wrong and the forum activity is the same as usual? the GOAT debate is bad for tennis outside the Big 3 and Grand Slams?
Hey Pablo, I teach a lot of people whose first language it Spanish, and I wish they could write English as well as you do. ;)

Probably in another 10 years you can just write in Google Translate and then hit "translate". It's not there yet, but it's getting close. I was talking to a musician a couple months ago in Thailand who supposedly only spoke Thai. I took a plunge and did the reverse translate thing. It works like this. You type in your own language, get the result, then plug in the result and see if you get something sensible back or if it turns it into alien.

It's interesting to see what it gets right both ways, even if it is forced, and what it screws up.

On topic: The conversation here is typical for this time of year. If Fed plays another of the Big 3 you will see as many pages about one match as about the whole ATP Cup!
 

Mckeon

New User
I owe you an explanation that I promised some time ago and never got around to give. I will PM you soon with the answer to your question regarding the structure of the forum I told you about in the past. For the thread here, let's say that it is better if the members that have shown a modicum of "reasoning capacity" and are balanced posters have special rights that go beyond posting only. For example, such members could have the right to moderate the threads they themselves start. That way they can pick their topics of interest and not one ill intentioned poster will be able to get any foothold in his activities. You will be surprised how powerful tool that is, as even a small, but very healthy group of such posters will dominate the forum level and tone. That is an absolute necessity: that some sort of good intention is a predominant objective in the discussions.

That can be translated as a group of posters not wanting to engage in any form of discussion that contradicts their wishful thinking.

What has undoubtedly hurt this forum is over the years after Federer lost his claims to be GOAT it became too closed a shop and difficult to join for new members. 10 years on from the creation of forums of this structure the dynamic has changed and people like the ability to instantly post on a global platform. This type of forum is one of the last remaining ones of this type. Lots in other sports have closed down or just have around 50 of the same posters.

It’s 2020 now, life is so much different social media wise. Also there is a lot more aggression politically which has actually rendered sport forums less popular than say Brexit discussions or Trump issues etc. I’m not sure sitting on forums all day is as popular as when there was the novelty say 6 or 7 years ago .

Really if you want good debate thenATP Facebook page is where all the action is. Within minuted if a thread they post there can be thousands of replies. It is very hard for forums like this to compete.
 

Mckeon

New User
Lots of generalizations going on here. Basically stuff like:

“Federer fans are only into the sport because Federer has the most Slams”

“Nadal fans are ruining tennis discussion here”

“Nobody here has ever picked up a racket”
There are about 8 Nadal fans here. Not sure they can be accused of ruining the forum . Nadal fans have taken over the ATP Facebook pages.
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
The quality of the posts, decorum, and mutual respect in the community has diminished with the influx of young millennials. Next-Gen disappointments are not just a pandemic on the ATP. I blame smartphones, limbic system overload and a sub-cultural idiomatic embrace of mediocrity and the demonization of capitalism.
Trump 2020
 

Incognito

Legend
I imagine TTW will see quite the downturn when Rafa passes Fed because there are just legions if Fed fans on here thy ya have attached their identity to Fed and his being “the greatest”. When they no longer have that I expect a lot to limp off into the night
”attached their identity to Fed”? like they go to their Jobs every morning thinking they’ve won 20 majors and have millions in their bank accounts?

same as people who vote for their politician.. ”he’s just like us”. They are either billionaires like him or extremely stupid like him.
 

Fedbump

New User
Hey? Is this a a parody post? Federer fans are by and large not actually sports fans and more like an obsessed cult. Pretty much all Nadal fans used to like Agassi and love thiem now. Federer fans do not have a good word to say about anyone! I have seen Federer fans hate on Lebron James Tom Brady Ronaldo Messi and Bolt and Phelps when they get more attention.
That's not true at all. I just made a thread crediting Bautista Agut. You don't know what you're talking about.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
In the slightest lol. Literally busier than ever, (and the season hasn't even really started) they know that but it's fun to troll now that Maestronians aren't the vast majority anymore. They are just upset about the shift in demographics :cool:
 
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