Is the 2013 US Open final the highest standard of this decade???

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...of the US Open finals, which one produced the highest standard of play?

Is it the 2010 final (Nadal a boss), or the 2011 final (Nole a boss)?

I'm guessing nobody thinks it's the 2012 final.


Which is it, 2010, 2011, 2012, or 2013???
 
Of the 4 USO finals, it is easily 2011 USO.

The third set was atrocious, especially what Nadal brought to the table. Promptly he got beaten badly the next set.
 
The 2013 final was high quality for just 2 sets. I think Djokovic actually put up a better fight in 2010. In sets 1 and 4 of last year he was just terrible.

The 2011 final was arguably higher quality than both. I think 2011 Nadal beats both Djokovic's though it probably goes to 5 and I think Djokovic 2011 > Nadal 10 and 13.
 
Mustard said:
The 2010 final was the best US Open final of this decade.
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There was no drama in 2010. Nadal was the favorite after Novak was spent fighting the second semis in 5 sets.

There was lot of drama in 2011. Novak won the first 2 sets but then an insane Nadal came back in 3rd and everyone was thinking it was going to be a massive comeback.

Infact 2013 USO also had drama in the reverse of 2011 USO where it appeared Novak was coming back.
 
What i found strange in all the USO finals between Nadal and Novak was the lack of tiebreakers and 5-7 sets .

All the sets were mostly 6-4 or lesser thereby not creating any drama.
 
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I voted 2011, but the sequence of plays and points at the end of the third and beginning of the fourth set in the 2013 final were the most shell-shocking of the lot -- completely and utterly crushing, and a showcase of Nadal's superior greatness.
 
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I voted 2011, but the sequence of plays and points at the end of the third and beginning of the fourth set in the 2013 final were the most shell-shocking of the lot. Completely and utterly crushing, and a showcase of Nadal's superior greatness.
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USO 2014 SF against Nishikori was reminiscent of USO 2013 final.

Novak started strong in set 2 and looked very good in set 3. Blinked for 5 minutes towards end of set 3 and early part of set 4 and match is done and dusted.
 
tennisaddict said:
USO 2014 SF against Nishikori was reminiscent of USO 2013 final.

Novak started strong in set 2 and looked very good in set 3. Blinked for 5 minutes towards end of set 3 and early part of set 4 and match is done and dusted.
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Well whaddya know, indeed it is!
 
tennisaddict said:
USO 2014 SF against Nishikori was reminiscent of USO 2013 final.

Novak started strong in set 2 and looked very good in set 3. Blinked for 5 minutes towards end of set 3 and early part of set 4 and match is done and dusted.
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Also got the same feeling. After USO-13 final I thought that Nadal is truly an amazing fighter, but now I understand that it's just Djokovic wasn't focused enough in both of the matches.
 
Novak strangely seemed to give up after being down a break in the 4th. If he had stayed tougher mentally he'd likely have broken Kei back given the circumstances.
 
2010.

No, there was not as much drama as in 2011 and 2013, but I think a consistently better game was played throughout the match from both guys. 2011 seemed more of a grinder (they both had empty tanks after 3 sets) and I'd never pick anything with such a lopsided final set as a favourite, and that discounts both the 2011 and 2013 matches. Third sets of 2011 and 2013 were magnificent, but the rest of it not so much.
 
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Also got the same feeling. After USO-13 final I thought that Nadal is truly an amazing fighter, but now I understand that it's just Djokovic wasn't focused enough in both of the matches.
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Nadal is a great fighter when his opponent keeps hitting easy forehands into the net.

Anyway, 2011 was obviously highest quality since both Novak and Nadal actually played near their best
 
tennisaddict said:
USO 2014 SF against Nishikori was reminiscent of USO 2013 final.

Novak started strong in set 2 and looked very good in set 3. Blinked for 5 minutes towards end of set 3 and early part of set 4 and match is done and dusted.
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If he had blinked not for 5 minutes, but just one minute at 4-4,15-15 in the 5th set at Wimb 2014 finals, Fed would have had his 18th and Novak with no majors this year.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
...of the US Open finals, which one produced the highest standard of play?

Is it the 2010 final (Nadal a boss), or the 2011 final (Nole a boss)?

I'm guessing nobody thinks it's the 2012 final.


Which is it, 2010, 2011, 2012, or 2013???
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Are you for real. 2013? How much you have to underrate Djokovic to even think like that. That was lowest quality final in recent history. Djokovic was UE machine in 1st and 4th sets and that is the only reason Nadal won it. I.e. Novak beat himself by playing below his usual standards due exhaustion after 5 set SF, while Nadal was fresh due to extreme cakewalk draw.

2010 - Novak was also exhausted after another difficult 5 set SF, while Nadal was fresh after the similar cakewalk draw (2013 was pretty much the repeat of this)

2012 - low quality tennis due to extreme wind -pretty much decided the match.

2011 was obviously the highest quality tennis in USOs final recent history - only surpassed by 2010 and 2011 SFs Djokovic - Federer.
 
i think 2013 should go down as the greatest final of the decade......both were playing quite well and the first three sets were incredible.......novak's spirit was just crushed in the last set......

2011 was a great win for novak but it is not the best final......nadal was scared to hit a backhand and merely living on his fighting qualities alone......nothing was working for him that year, not the serve, not the return nor the backhand in the least......novak would have won that final in straight sets if not for rafa's monumental mental effort......
 
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None of them come close to US Open 2011.
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The last performance from fluke-peak Djokovic.
 
2013. I give 2010 and 2011 a tie. The 4th set of 2011 flat out sucked. Djokovic serving at 80mph and Nadal too tired to even do anything about it. The first 3 sets were sick tennis though, and better rallies than 2010.
 
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i think 2013 should go down as the greatest final of the decade......both were playing quite well and the first three sets were incredible.......novak's spirit was just crushed in the last set......

2011 was a great win for novak but it is not the best final......nadal was scared to hit a backhand and merely living on his fighting qualities alone......nothing was working for him that year, not the serve, not the return nor the backhand in the least......novak would have won that final in straight sets if not for rafa's monumental mental effort......
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1st set was incredible? Djokovic hit 14 UE's and only 6 winners :')
 
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those 14 UEs were because of nadal's astounding start to the match......djokovic was pushed to go for more.......it's a mental game, you cannot always go by stats......
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BS. Djokovic was spraying errors. The commentators were all over Djokovic for it.

He only hit '2' forehand winners and hit 7 UE's - no backhand winners. But yeah it's all because of Nadal's level right, 13 errors off the ground and 2 winners. So full of **** :lol:
 
objectivity said:
the video showed very very clearly the trajectories. there's bounce height, net clearance and RPM. what more do you want?



and for goodness sake, anyone who plays tennis knows that high RPM -- in the top spin fashion of course -- results in higher net clearance and higher bounce. period. and all i had said, was that Federer's forehand relies a tonne on high RPM i.e. high top spin. and that i do not think its possible he can do that with a wooden racket and gut.



i still don't get how you can get high net clearance AND a flat trajectory. can you explain? the only way i see that to happen, is if the ball is struck hard and down from a high position. is that what you are talking about? i don't think so btw. but i am happy to be educated.
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I don't wish to pursue this much longer as it becoming tedious for all of us I fear. I originally commented that Federer had a flattish forehand and you and another poster pounced upon me and started talking about RPM. So I attempted to explain that RPM is a function of speed and spin/shape. To take an extreme example a ball travelling at the speed of light struck with only a tiny amount of top spin would have a higher RPM than a regular pro tennis shot, agreed?

Therefore Federer, over the balance of his long career, not only hit high RPM due to spin, but also due to the fact that ball had a higher average speed over the net than most of his competition. Therefore he had a smaller window of error and so had to hid the ball with a finer margin over the net and the result of that is a considerably flatter trajectory than say a looping moon ball etc.

I hope you will agree that this is not an unreasonable assumption to make and explains why his forehand, especially in his prime, was such a feared shot by his competitors.
 
Nadal and Djokovic will never have the best stats playing each other. People act like Nadal played an incredible match and the best he ever played in the 2012 AO final (far from the truth, but anyway) and he had many more unforced errors than winners in that match. They are probably the two best defensive players in history, particularly on a hard court where Djokovic defense is much better than it is on clay or grass, and two of the most consistent, and two of the best overall rallyers, so how can either hit a stream of winners with almost no errors. Impossible.
 
2013 was one of the worst finals i've ever seen in a major tournament. Actually it wasn't the worse because of the FO final in the same year.
 
Wow, this thread still has wheels. The troll was subtle with this one...

Hmm, interesting that 2010 leads 2014, I think the aggregate peak level of the two players was higher in 2013 but perhaps the match was also more volatile.
 
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2013. They both knew what to expect from the other. No 2010 Nadal bossing Novak around or 2011 Novak with the mental edge over Nadal. They both tried their best in 2013 final. Novak fought hard but surrendered the championship when he lost the 3rd set despite trying his best.
 
TBH none of them were amazing. I would probably pick 2013 best, 2010 2nd best, 2012 third, and 2011 last though. 2011 Nadal served like Conchita Martinez, and Djokovic only served less than great, even though otherwise the standard of play was pretty good.
 
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