Is the ATP Cup a hit or a miss ?

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You have a very peculiar idea of what constitutes corruption.

I wouldn't run with it in public if you don't want to be laughed at.

Mixed doubles is a team event, does it award singles pts? I noticed you use alot of "ist's".

I enjoyed the event btw. Give them money but no points. I think thats why they applied points and shows corruption, no one would of played it otherwise. I dont like self promotion by the boss, im sure a graveyist like yourself has no problem with such acts.
 

Max G.

Legend
I enjoyed the tournament.

I'm surprised it doesn't count as one of the normal number of tournaments for the players, that's a little weird. Gives an advantage to the players from countries with fewer tennis players - e.g. #818 in the world Alexander Cozbinov qualifies, but #50 Fernando Verdasco does not. I didn't think it mattered if it was just one tournament among many - sure, the players that don't qualify for this one get to play some other one instead, no problem. Rublev did fine playing Doha.

But if those players get an "extra" tournament on their ranking, it seems unfair. It should count as one of the other tournaments on a players' ranking, as part of their 17, not an extra add-on.

Other than that it's fine.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It has that effect, but there are a lot of events a Verdasco is not qualified to play.

What matters is whether a premium team event strengthens the ATP as a whole? There is little doubt that it does.

I enjoyed the tournament.

I'm surprised it doesn't count as one of the normal number of tournaments for the players, that's a little weird. Gives an advantage to the players from countries with fewer tennis players - e.g. #818 in the world Alexander Cozbinov qualifies, but #50 Fernando Verdasco does not. I didn't think it mattered if it was just one tournament among many - sure, the players that don't qualify for this one get to play some other one instead, no problem. Rublev did fine playing Doha.

But if those players get an "extra" tournament on their ranking, it seems unfair. It should count as one of the other tournaments on a players' ranking, as part of their 17, not an extra add-on.

Other than that it's fine.
 

van_Loederen

Professional
What's the story behind having the ATP Cup? Who promoted/organized it?
the ITF runs the DC and they didn't completely agree with the ATP on the future of the same,
so the latter organisation has founded its own "DC" now.

what's more, after the ATP stripped the DC of its ranking points some years ago (as the ranking points are pretty unfair as there are no equal chances for the players), they have now brought them back with that ATP cup and made the quali even way more unfair on top of it (see OP). :censored:

the thing gets support on here as people don't care as long as they can watch the top players
and the top players themselves tend to benefit from the first class (in terms of money and ranking points and thus competition) warmup for the AO.

the national team competition format, that was mostly owned by the Davis Cup with its +100 years of tradition, gets blatantly milked now.
i'm not patriotic, so i don't feel so bad about it, i just find it bewildering how people can accept such a thing.
a competition to decide he strongest tennis nation is nothing that should be held twice per year, or is it?

the ranking points / quali issue was pretty much ignored by people on here as well, until this thread,
so there's little understanding of sports competition in general.
Kazakhstan has a way stronger team than Moldova, but yeah who cares.


as for the actual question in the thread title, it seems to have been a hit, just not for the right reasons, so lets see how long it will go on.
 

van_Loederen

Professional
obviously many people still happen to be quite patriotic, even in 2020.
provided that having 2 very similar competitions per year will soon lose its "charme", the most logical thing would be to bin the ATP cup (and move the LC) and hold the Davis Cup Finals in late September.
that's what also Djokovic (as member of the player council or how it's called) supports btw.

the old DC format is gone for good.
well, stretching it over 2 years would still have been an option, but after how this compact format now is accepted by people, there remains little hope also for that.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Thank you for reminding us this! This alone is plenty of reason to justify the ATP Cup format. Tennis wins!
Let’s see first how AO goes. If ATP cup had a negative impact on players performance in AO I don’t think players will show up for ATP cup next year. Maybe a bit too much for non Australian being in Australia for over a month straight too.
 

dr325i

Legend
Agut didnt even lose a set, by far the best player in this event and still lost somehow :-D:-D:-D
YES, because beating Matreveli, Roncadelli, Soeda, Coppejans, Kyrgios and Lajovic was much tougher task then beating Shapavalov, Monfils, Garin, Medvedev and Nadal in the same week
Ah, wait, Rafa was "tired" according to some here...
 
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