Is the next gen already becoming the next lost gen?

I feel like it's a combination of many things. Income inequality is probably the biggest one as man

  • Yes, they're already being taken over

    Votes: 19 86.4%

  • No, they will bag more slams in the future

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Total voters
    22
clout

clout

Hall of Fame
The next gen who were born in the mid-late 90s and supposed to takeover the tour after the big 3 retired are now quickly getting beat and likely surpassed by players born after 2000. They've already been eclipsed by Alcaraz (b. 2003) and Sinner (b. 2001), but now, they're starting to fall against other players born well into the 2000s.

Stefanos and Khachenov losing against 20-year old Michelson (b. 2004)

Rublev losing against 18-year old Foncesca (b. 2006)

Medvedev losing against 19-year old Tien (b. 2005)

Fritz decided to change things up by losing to 38-year old Monfils who is from the big 3 era lol

These are all players they'll continue to keep seeing more of and likely better versions of going forward, in addition to Sinner/Alcaraz. It's looking more and more likely that only 2 majors ('20 USO by Thiem and '21 USO by Med) in tennis history will ever be won by a player born in the entire 1990s decade...crazy stuff lol
 
travlerajm

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
clout said:
The next gen who were born in the mid-late 90s and supposed to takeover the tour after the big 3 retired are now quickly getting beat and likely surpassed by players born after 2000. They've already been eclipsed by Alcaraz (b. 2003) and Sinner (b. 2001), but now, they're starting to fall against other players born well into the 2000s.

Stefanos and Khachenov losing against 20-year old Michelson (b. 2004)

Rublev losing against 18-year old Foncesca (b. 2006)

Medvedev losing against 19-year old Tien (b. 2005)

Fritz decided to change things up by losing to 38-year old Monfils who is from the big 3 era lol

It's looking more and more likely that only 2 majors in tennis history will ever be won by a player born in the entire 1990s decade...crazy stuff lol
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This year is the clincher.
 
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ND-13

Legend
Yes, unfortunately after 2013, we have had 2-3 lost gen until the earth's mightiest and the wizard have taken over in 2024.

It was a dark period for sure.
 
clout

clout

Hall of Fame
ND-13 said:
Yes, unfortunately after 2013, we have had 2-3 lost gen until the earth's mightiest and the wizard have taken over in 2024.

It was a dark period for sure.
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While the 80's gen was obviously godly by all accounts, the 90's gen was also very underwhelming and it's become more and more clear with each passing generation.

The lost gen era (Nishikori, Raonic, and Dimitrov) got eclipsed very quickly by the next gen players (Zverev, Med, Stefanos) in terms of Masters/Olympics/YEC in the late 2010s/early 2020s, and now the next gen players are quickly being left in the dust too by 2000s players, who are actually winning majors lol
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
They would have taken over by 2020 if big 3 retired but Djokovic won 7 slams post that and nadal 2. So in 2021 to 23 Djokovic and nadal won 9 slams combined. By this time best of the next gen were already getting older.

These Fritz and rublev are subpar next gen. Only best were Medvedev tsitispas and zverev
 
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ND-13

Legend
It is easy for everyone to know that even Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev , who are supposed to be better than Raonic, Nishikori, Dmitrov are also a complete set of inferior players compared to Sinner and Alcaraz. I also think they will be inferior to players like Fonseca and Tien.

I also feel that Shelton and Tommy Paul are way better players than Fritz and Tiafoe.
 
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Sputnik Bulgorov

Professional
nolefam_2024 said:
They would have taken over by 2020 if big 3 retired but Djokovic won 7 slams post that and nadal 2. So in 2021 to 23 Djokovic and nadal won 9 slams combined. By this time best of the next gen were already getting older.

These Fritz and rublev are subpar next gen. Only best were Medvedev tsitispas and zverev
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We have to let go of this narrative that Djokovic and Nadal stopped CIE gen from winning slams in order to salvage a shred of dignity when there is none. Alcaraz was a baby during this time, but still won more slams than the entire CIE gen combined. How do you explain this?

In 2021-2023 with 12 slams up for grabs..
Medvedev met Djokovic and Nadal 4 times, won 1 and became champion - what about the other 8 slams?
Tsitsipas met Djokovic and Nadal 3 times, won 1 and lost to Medvedev - what about the other 9 slams?
Zverev met Djokovic and Nadal 3 times, won 0 - what about the other 9 slams?

They either lost to each other or lost to mugs or they lost to Alcaraz. Now they're losing to even younger players. They don't see success in any era, regardless of big 3.
 
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Sputnik Bulgorov

Professional
Only in AO21 and FO21 do Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Zverev all make their seeds, lose to each other, only to lose to Djokovic.

In Wimb21, Medvedev loses to Hurkacz R4, Zverev loses to FAA R4, Tsitsipas loses to Tiafoe R1
In USO21 Medvedev defeats Djokovic F, Zverev loses to Djokovic SF, Tsitsipas loses to Alcaraz R3
In AO22, Medvedev loses to Nadal F, Zverev loses to Shapovalov R3, Tsitsipas loses to Medvedev SF
In FO22, Medvedev loses to Cilic 4R, Zverev loses to Nadal SF, Tsitsipas loses to Rune 4R
In Wimb 22, Tsitsipas loses to Kyrgios R3
In USO 22, Medvedev loses to Kyrgios R4, Tsitsipas loses to Galan R1
In AO23, Medvedev loses to Korda R3, Zverev loses to Mmoh R2, Tsitsipas loses to Djokovic F
In FO23, Medvedev loses to Seyboth Wild R1, Zverev loses to Ruud SF, Tsitsipas loses to Alcaraz QF
In Wimb23, Medvedev loses to Alcaraz SF, Zverev loses to Berrettini 3R, Tsitsipas loses to Eubanks 4R
In USO23, Medvedev loses to Djokovic F, Zverev loses to Alcaraz QF, Tsitsipas loses to Stricker 2R

So from Wimb21 onwards, only in 7/27 instances do these guys lose to either Djokovic, Nadal or each other. Myth busted.
 
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Jonas78

Legend
Yeah they are the same as LostGen.

LostGen just had stronger competition, LostGen had a younger Big3 and you also had Stan & Murray. NextGen should have managed to break through more than they did.

Medvedev did beat a Big3 to win the title, ill give him that!
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Jonas78 said:
Yeah they are the same as LostGen.

LostGen just had stronger competition, LostGen had a younger Big3 and you also had Stan & Murray. NextGen should have managed to break through more than they did.

Medvedev did beat a Big3 to win the title, ill give him that!
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Even stats show they are better. However much crying of competition there be.
 
Subway Tennis

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Incognito said:
Second match I’ve seen of Tien. He has a bit more power on the forehand than I initially thought :oops:
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Amazing hands, too. The guy has about 60 different ways to win a point and ensnares opponents in these long protracted points and eventually bamboozles them. Going to be so interesting to watch this guy keep developing.
 
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Jonas78

Legend
nolefam_2024 said:
Maybe, maybe not.

Need to check. Medvedev definitely far above. He reached top of tennis.
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He had a high level for a few seasons on HC.

LostGen was really bad, i think even a player like Berdych had a higher games won% in his best seasons than all LostGen, and also NextGen except Meddy.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Jonas78 said:
He had a high level for a few seasons on HC.

LostGen was really bad, i think even a player like Berdych had a higher games won% in his best seasons than all LostGen, and also NextGen except Meddy.
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You would most likely be wrong. But need to check.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Jonas78 said:
Yeah do that. Berdych was 56-57% on games won% HC 2013-2015, in 2014 he was over 57%. I doubt there is anyone except Medvedev who matches that in LostGen/NextGen
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Medvedev basically every year and rublev in 2020 has higher than Berdych's best just on hc.
Zverev has 56.8/9 a few times himself.
 
ibbi

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Guys can stay healthier longer now, so you never know what one of them might come up with in the years ahead. Their time on 'top' definitely appears to be over though. Zverev is the only one (of the major ones) who looks like he hasn't lost it. We'll see how long he can keep it up.
 
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Jonas78

Legend
nolefam_2024 said:
Medvedev basically every year and rublev in 2020 has higher than Berdych's best just on hc.
Zverev has 56.8/9 a few times himself.
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Covid year 2020 was very special. I think Rublev played only one HC Masters, but a bunch of 250s and 500s which boosted his stats. Not very relevant. But Medvedev definetly was up there!
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Jonas78 said:
I also think its very wrong to see how deep they went. If you take Berdych on the 9 HC slams from 2011-AO2015, he only lost to Big3, Murray and Stan, and Cilic USO14 (which Cilic won). He was very consistent for a long period, but the competition was just on a whole other level.
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That means nothing. He didn't challenge them.
 
Hitman

Hitman

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Well, there are always younger players coming every single year. The depth in tennis is always there. This AO has seen some sensational battles, and we are only half way through.
 
chjtennis

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Well, we have already moved on to Millennial's Age. Sinner was born in 2001, Alcaraz in 2003, Rune in 2003, and younger guys like Fonseca was born in 2006, Tien in 2005 and Mensik in 2005. We are in The Age of The Millennials.
 
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Jonas78

Legend
nolefam_2024 said:
Exactly

These players are Berdych level except meddy.

Not lost gen losers level
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Im not sure if for example Tsits is better than LostGen though. Of course he is title-wise, but Tsits played in a period where it was possible for second layer players to win. It is absolutely zero chance Tsits would win Monte Carlo in the years 2005-2018. Nadal made it impossible 2005-2012, and he wouldnt beat Stan/Nadal/Djokovic there until 2018 either. Sinse 2019 the competition has been completely different.

LostGen had slam wins over Big3 also; Dimitrov, Raonic, Nishikori and Thiem (he was between LostGen/NextGen)
 
mike danny

mike danny

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chjtennis said:
Well, we have already moved on to Millennial's Age. Sinner was born in 2001, Alcaraz in 2003, Rune in 2003, and younger guys like Fonseca was born in 2006, Tien in 2005 and Mensik in 2005. We are in The Age of The Millennials.
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Aren't milenials between 1981 and 1996?
 
Gazelle

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
Jonas78 said:
Im not sure if for example Tsits is better than LostGen though. Of course he is title-wise, but Tsits played in a period where it was possible for second layer players to win. It is absolutely zero chance Tsits would win Monte Carlo in the years 2005-2018. Nadal made it impossible 2005-2012, and he wouldnt beat Stan/Nadal/Djokovic there until 2018 either. Sinse 2019 the competition has been completely different.

LostGen had slam wins over Big3 also; Dimitrov, Raonic, Nishikori and Thiem (he was between LostGen/NextGen)
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Agreed. And given how long Raonic owned the NextGen, even as a part time player, I'm not convinced they are better than him.
 
DSH

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
clout said:
The next gen who were born in the mid-late 90s and supposed to takeover the tour after the big 3 retired are now quickly getting beat and likely surpassed by players born after 2000. They've already been eclipsed by Alcaraz (b. 2003) and Sinner (b. 2001), but now, they're starting to fall against other players born well into the 2000s.

Stefanos and Khachenov losing against 20-year old Michelson (b. 2004)

Rublev losing against 18-year old Foncesca (b. 2006)

Medvedev losing against 19-year old Tien (b. 2005)

Fritz decided to change things up by losing to 38-year old Monfils who is from the big 3 era lol

These are all players they'll continue to keep seeing more of and likely better versions of going forward, in addition to Sinner/Alcaraz. It's looking more and more likely that only 2 majors ('20 USO by Thiem and '21 USO by Med) in tennis history will ever be won by a player born in the entire 1990s decade...crazy stuff lol
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Have you not realized until now that the generation of players born in the 90s is by far the worst in the Open Era?
:oops:
 
NatF

NatF

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insideguy said:
Ahh ok. So who would be Fed gen. Guys like Roddick, Ferrer ect?
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Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Coria, Nalbandian, Davydenko etc...same era as Djokodal but I consider 5/6 years a generational gap in tennis. Those are the players Fed came up in the juniors with etc...
 
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