is the one handed backhand a more manly stroke?

[Curious]

No man or woman hit two handed backhand in the first half of 20th century, correct?

 

[Curious]

not her 1hb though.

Halep’s ohbh is probably better than Federer’s 2hbh. How weird is that?

 

[zill]

Halep’s ohbh is probably better than Federer’s 2hbh. How weird is that?

Well upper 4.0 1hb vs lower 4.0 2hb.

 

[Curious]

Another 4.0!

 

[zill]

Another 4.0!

That's the strangest 1hb takeback I have ever seen!

 

[Curious]

That's the strangest 1hb takeback I have ever seen!

Because it’s more of a 2hbh take back.

 

[Bambooman]

Because it’s more of a 2hbh take back.

How would you know? lol

 

[zill]

Because it’s more of a 2hbh take back.

More of a slice like takeback actually.

 

[StringSnapper]

UTR 12.93

interesting, so the men are ranked a lot higher then. karue was like a 15 or something i think he said

 

[Curious]

interesting, so the men are ranked a lot higher then. karue was like a 15 or something i think he said

Yes.
Swiatek 13.19
Djokovic 16.25

 

[StringSnapper]

Yes.
Swiatek 13.19
Djokovic 16.25

how do they know that though, when they dont play each other?

 

[Curious]

how do they know that though, when they dont play each other?

You have a prediction other than 6-0 6-0 ? To Djoker that is!

 

[StringSnapper]

You have a prediction other than 6-0 6-0 ? To Djoker that is!

yeah i think djoker would win for sure, but those are very precise numbers. at what point are UTR 13 men and women playing each other to work that out?

 

[Curious]

yeah i think djoker would win for sure, but those are very precise numbers. at what point are UTR 13 men and women playing each other to work that out?

Don’t know high levels but I’ve seen a number of UTR 5-7 male and female players playing against each other and they’re pretty much the same.

 

[Daniel Andrade]

It's the ligma stroke

 

[Shroud]

You have a prediction other than 6-0 6-0 ? To Djoker that is!

Iga could win some games. Djoker would be nervous. No upside to the match for him.

 

[Curious]

Iga could win some games. Djoker would be nervous. No upside to the match for him.

Nerves from playing the underdog. It’s a real thing, right?

 

[Shroud]

Nerves from playing the underdog. It’s a real thing, right?

Sure. Pros these days wig when their water bottles are moved. So playing a woman in singles were its a big deal, like the 3rd billie jean King deal. I can see it.

Do your opponents ever appear nervous? Be careful when replying.

 

[Curious]

Do your opponents ever appear nervous? Be careful when replying.

They usually don’t.

 

[StringSnapper]

They usually don’t.

have you considered showing up to a match in a white blood stained shirt

 

[Knife]

Hi all,

I was wondering if you think the one handed backhand is classed as a more manly stroke providing very few women use the single. I know we had henin and a few other women who used the single but is it just a stereotypical view to say the single handed backhand is a more manly stroke? Its obviously more elegant and graceful looking but would you say it's more so than a two handed backhand?

Yes to all of the above. More manly, elegant, graceful, more everything, not forgetting including more unreliable also.

 

[StringSnapper]

what a username to respond after my previous post

 

[TennisCJC]

No man or woman hit two handed backhand in the first half of 20th century, correct?

Googled it and "The first notable players to use a two-handed backhand were the 1930s Australians Vivian McGrath and John Bromwich". There were a load of 2HBHs in the 1970s - Evertt, Connors, Borg, Dibbs, Solomon, ... but that isn't the first half of the 20th century. The tide turned when Evertt, Connors & Borg dominated tennis in the 1970s into the early 1980s. During that era, tennis enjoyed a boom in America and became extremely popular with loads of 2HBH to emulate the top pros.

 

[ChaelAZ]

It's is an actual proven fact that those tennis players who have a 1 handed backhand are:

• Smater
• More attractive
• Have a larger circle of influence
• Better hair and teeth
• Live longer
• Take less steps to go the same distance as 2 handers
• Are more polite and friendly
• Retain more muscle mass when fasting
• Only need one step to do two step verification
• Know all the verbs of being by heart
• Love animals and support no kill
• Are funnier and quick witted
• And much more

Manly and womanly are just subjective based on the affirming attributes they embody.

 

[jz000]

@ChaelAZ
I'm SmAter too.
More arm for spin. Keep arm straight for low balls to rip cc.
But I'm still working on peRFecting my FH since it's more complex stroke...

Just slice them to death on my BH for anyone trying to pick on it.
If they have heavy topspin to my BH, ok I have to hit it back

 

[LuckyR]

Googled it and "The first notable players to use a two-handed backhand were the 1930s Australians Vivian McGrath and John Bromwich". There were a load of 2HBHs in the 1970s - Evertt, Connors, Borg, Dibbs, Solomon, ... but that isn't the first half of the 20th century. The tide turned when Evertt, Connors & Borg dominated tennis in the 1970s into the early 1980s. During that era, tennis enjoyed a boom in America and became extremely popular with loads of 2HBH to emulate the top pros.

I give the "credit" to Chrissy.

 

[onehandbh]

Every ATP player hits a one hand slice backhand at times.

 

[Slicerman]

1hbh more manly? you sure about that?

 

[Cashman]

2HBH is the pickleball of tennis strokes

 

[Shroud]

It's is an actual proven fact that those tennis players who have a 1 handed backhand are:

• Smater
• More attractive
• Have a larger circle of influence
• Better hair and teeth
• Live longer
• Take less steps to go the same distance as 2 handers
• Are more polite and friendly
• Retain more muscle mass when fasting
• Only need one step to do two step verification
• Know all the verbs of being by heart
• Love animals and support no kill
• Are funnier and quick witted
• And much more

Manly and womanly are just subjective based on the affirming attributes they embody.

You forgot: wear more sweats

 

[FRV4]

100% a valid question, but you have the wrong mindset. A manly man should not care about tennis but may be dragged out to play. So a manly groundstroke would be one where your face still has no emotion as you try to put power into the shot. This is easier to do with a one handed backhand but still very doable with a 2 handed backhand. Thank you.

 

[Clay lover]

I agree that it depends on the guy hitting the stroke. Most rec guys I know slice 70% of their 1HBHs or if they drive it, it's some disjointed uncoordinated arm stroke rather than a full body rotation.

But then people are probably gonna claim people at 4.0 or above can drive the bh plenty manlily.

I guess me and my peers are just at an unmanly skill level

 

[onehandbh]

Less than 10% of the top 100 men use a one hand backhand.

Diane Perry uses a one hand backhand.

Is Diane Perry more manly than 90% of the ATP top 100?

 

[Jono123]

Stan would agree.

 

[toth]

I would vote for yes

 

[sureshs]

I would vote for yes

I agree. I feel like a real man when I hit a 1-handed backhand.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Less than 10% of the top 100 men use a one hand backhand.

Diane Perry uses a one hand backhand.

Is Diane Perry more manly than 90% of the ATP top 100?

 

[sureshs]

What do you think of male pros using 2-handed backhand for Pickleball LOL.

That is the opposite of manly.

@ByeByePoly do you have a 1H or 2H Pickleball backhand?

 

[ChaelAZ]

I was out hitting one-handed backhands this morning and it is so manly, I grew my no-shave November beard in one hour here in October.

The guy next to me was practicing two handers and I heard his voice pitch raise to pre-puberty levels.

 

[ByeByePoly]

What do you think of male pros using 2-handed backhand for Pickleball LOL.

That is the opposite of manly.

@ByeByePoly do you have a 1H or 2H Pickleball backhand?

I don’t think about male pros, and I can hit any backhand I feel like, some go in. None of them as pretty as @ChaelAZ or his backhand, my voice is a high pitched squeak.

 

[sureshs]

I don’t think about male pros, and I can hit any backhand I feel like, some go in. None of them as pretty as @ChaelAZ or his backhand, my voice is a high pitched squeak.

Do you use a 2H backhand?

I play Pickle with a 1H backhand.

I think 2H backhand is used for Pickle because it goes with open stance.

BTW, don't get me started on the Selkirk letter and the ugly battle going on between the UPA and the USAPA. How come a for-profit entity like UPA (don't know for sure, heard it in a Pickle podcast) can be a governing body of a sport? And what is all this about racket manufacturers getting their paddles approved by one and failing in the other? But that is not relevant to this thread.

And there is nothing wrong in thinking about male Pickle pros. I think of the Johns brothers all the time, and also the Waters mother and daughter duo.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Do you use a 2H backhand?

I play Pickle with a 1H backhand.

I think 2H backhand is used for Pickle because it goes with open stance.

BTW, don't get me started on the Selkirk later and the ugly battle going on between the UPA and the USAPA. How come a for-profit entity like UPA (don't know for sure, heard it in a Pickle podcast) can be a governing body of a sport? And what is all this about racket manufacturers getting their paddles approved by one and failing in the other? But that is not relevant to this thread.

And there is nothing wrong in thinking about male Pickle pros. I think of the Johns brothers all the time, and also the Waters mother and daughter duo.

Relevant? That has never stopped us.

2hbh is weird with finger behind paddle face … and even more weird … it works

When the good guy in the story sells $300 paddles, it’s a bad story.

 

[onehandbh]

Can one make their own pickleball racket/padel or whatever they call it and legally use it in competition or can only "officially approved" paddles be used?

 

[mctennis]

Whatever works best for the person playing tennis. One hand or two handed backhands. As long as it gets the job done- getting the ball back over the net.
I learned with a one handed backhand and I am too old to switch to a two handed backhand.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Grip it and rip it.

 

[TennisCJC]

Googled it and "The first notable players to use a two-handed backhand were the 1930s Australians Vivian McGrath and John Bromwich". There were a load of 2HBHs in the 1970s - Evertt, Connors, Borg, Dibbs, Solomon, ... but that isn't the first half of the 20th century. The tide turned when Evertt, Connors & Borg dominated tennis in the 1970s into the early 1980s. During that era, tennis enjoyed a boom in America and became extremely popular with loads of 2HBH to emulate the top pros.

This is IT. I started playing around 1976 and tennis was booming. Connors, Evert and Borg were the big 3 and superstars with Dibbs and Solomon popular to a lesser degree. Frew McMillian had a 2 handed backhand and a 2 handed forehand. McMillian started playing pro tournaments in 1961. He had pretty good success in singles but was a great doubles player. McMillian was ranked number 1 in doubles for several years. Pancho Segura turned pro in 1947 and he hit a 2 handed forehand and a 1 handed backhand. Pancho went on to coach Jimmy Connors.

AI search came up with: "The first notable tennis players to use a two-handed backhand were Vivian McGrath and John Bromwich in the 1930s."

So, 2 handed tennis strokes have been around nearly a 100 years at high levels. But, they became extremely popular in the 1970s and 1980s due primarily to Connors, Borg and Evert.