Is the USTA useless for college tennis?

[Tennis2349]

This is where you get confused.

If you are an American junior you need to be around a 12 utr. 11.7 and up is ideal.

Now follow closely…

If you are 11.2 and below there are limited spots for these guys. , BUT a huge pool of players to choose from.,

So again, as I stated, if you are around a low 11 utr, you are a dime a dozen. At that level there are hundreds of players vying for a hand full of spots at that level.

Do you get it yet? Low 11 does not mean you play d1 lol. It doesn’t mean you are lazy. It doesn’t mean you are stuck up. It simply means at that level there are far more players competing for a small
Amount of spots.

 

[Tennis2349]

For someone like Andfor who doesn’t understand numbers, this is a factual breakdown of the competition for spots.

So one question would be that I don’t have the answer to…

A. How many d1 spots are open each year for kids that are around low 11 utr. ? From what I have seen not more than a dozen usually.

Now obviously we run out of world juniors that are 12.6 and up. Some want to go pro. Some dont want to play college etc. but they will take most of the spots. About 120 players

Next tier might be 11.93 and up. 450 players.

Next tier 11.6 and up. 700 players.

Once you get to 11 utr, colleges definitely will sign a few of these for remaining spots once they can’t find anyone better. But as you can see, the competition is fierce. There are 1600 juniors above an 11.

So how are they selected? From what I have seen, (since they are a dime a dozen and interchangeable for low 11 utr ), then usually politics comes into play. The dad is connected or has an academy or is/ was a d1 coach. The foreign coach takes a kid from his nation etc. or you might get lucky.

You literally might have 20-40 available kids to choose from for each spot.


It’s not that the low 11 utr americans are “picky” or “lazy” , it’s just a situation in which there are not enough spots for everyone, even if the players are equal in nature.


By the time you are at 10.6there are 2400 players ahead of you. Tiny shot if well connected.


Do they go d3? Most likely no. Some might. But most quit or play club tennis. Not all families have 350k to pay d3 fees so their kid can play tennis. Often times people have more than one kid. You notice not one blue chip is choosing d3 for “education” lol.

So again, you really need to get the utr up to around 12 if you want a spot. Or if you are low 11 you really need the right connections or a lot of luck.



12.6 120 juniors ahead

11.93 450 juniors ahead

11.6 700 juniors ahead

11 1600 juniors ahead

10.6 2400 juniors ahead

 

[Tennis2349]

As for scholarships Andfor is saying:

“Got my log in back, 10's and 11's all over page 2 getting D1 scholarships”

Obviously he is not privy to any of this info from the Trn site, so it’s just words. There is no info on scholarships there. Why lie? No idea.

College men’s teams are funded 4.5 scholarships and have 8-14 guys on a team. This is supposedly changing, but there is no info on which teams are now fully funded to allow 10.

So how much of a scholarship would an incoming 10-11 get for playing tennis with 8-14 guys on a team? Do they take money away from current players? Give you a full ride so only 3.5 remain? Obviously not.

What I have seen is a spot on the team, (with no scholarship for tennis at all), and a partial offer in two years IF player improves. Usually these guys have enough funds to pay full out of state tuition to be on a team. Often times 60to 90k a year. So if you are an 11 without a big budget you are out of luck.

Too many ignorant posters and people all over tennis lying about scholarships and the level needed.

 

[andfor]

I provided a website, that most here are very familiar with. You just type words. Where do you get your numbers?

It can be researched the following are a total of the tennis scholarships are available. We know that they all aren't available year over, but you like to claim what we think we know.

Based on recent data:

• D1: Approximately 314 women's and 236 men's programs, allowing around 2,512 women's and 1,062 men's total scholarships annually across all schools.
• D2: Approximately 227 women's and 153 men's programs, allowing around 1,362 women's and 688 men's total scholarships annually across all schools.
• NAIA: Approximately 112 programs, allowing around 560 men's and women's scholarships annually.
• NJCAA: Approximately 58 men's and 124 women's programs, allowing up to 522 men's and 1,116 women's scholarships annually.

These can be full or partial scholarships, depending on the coach's discretion and the program's funding level.

 

[Tennis2349]

Hahaha.

I provided a website, that most here are very familiar with. You just type words. Where do you get your numbers?

It can be researched the following are a total of the tennis scholarships are available. We know that they all aren't available year over, but you like to claim what we think we know.

Based on recent data:

• D1: Approximately 314 women's and 236 men's programs, allowing around 2,512 women's and 1,062 men's total scholarships annually across all schools.
• D2: Approximately 227 women's and 153 men's programs, allowing around 1,362 women's and 688 men's total scholarships annually across all schools.
• NAIA: Approximately 112 programs, allowing around 560 men's and women's scholarships annually.
• NJCAA: Approximately 58 men's and 124 women's programs, allowing up to 522 men's and 1,116 women's scholarships annually.

These can be full or partial scholarships, depending on the coach's discretion and the program's funding

lol. Im not doubting college tennis exists.

I am saying 10.8 to 11.2 is not enough to secure a d1 spot.

You are confusing what is possible with what is probable. Anyone you see that landed that spot with a low 11 utr probably over came a very rare set of circumstances. You are pointing out the lottery winner ans ignoring the thousands that lost.

Maybe 500 total spots a year? Almost all spots filled by 11.6 and up.

Once you get down to the 10.8 to 11.2 range you have about 1500 juniors left competing for a few spots. So it is more likely 50-1

That’s why schools don’t even call 11 utr back.

 

[Tennis2349]

The numbers are readily available on the utr site.

Junior is a 10.93. There are 1700 juniors ahead of him.

When it comes to competing for that “low utr d1 spot” he is also up against the following , not included in the 1700.

A. People who reclassed and are 19 and up.

B. Current d2/d3/ naia/ juco players wanting to move up to d1.

C. Foreign men who went pro and don’t mind playing for 1.2 or 3 years.