Is there a best version of the POG 107

gvsbdisco

Semi-Pro
I'd like to get a 107. Is there an iteration that is considered better than the rest? I noticed there a few single stripe versions on the big site. Thanks in advance.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
I have 5 iterations of the POG 107. I am not a fan of the single stripe POG 107. My single stripe POG 107 has a rectangular grip reminiscent of the extreme rectangle grip you find on some Heads and feels kind of clunky in my opinion. I like the 4-stripe that says Oversize at the top of the hoop. Next would be the one that came out around 2015? That one has Prince in white lettering on both front sides of the throat and the word Oversize at the top of the hoop.
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
Depends what you are looking for. One stripes are generally the heaviest. I find there is a pretty big variation in the 4 stripes because they made them for so long and in multiple factories. Some are lighter (I have seen high 340s) and some are heavier (high 350s). The 2015 are the lightest/whippiest but aren't quite as stable.
 

BlueB

Legend
I'd like to get a 107. Is there an iteration that is considered better than the rest? I noticed there a few single stripe versions on the big site. Thanks in advance.
The lightest specimens of 4 stripe.

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AlexR

Rookie
I have a one stripe in great condition that I thrifted, and it’s so heavy. Probably the heaviest stock racquet I’ve swung.
 
Just get a POG tour 107 probably end of the 80s.
I read many thread about this stick, seems to be very arm friendly.
But … the reality is completely different, at least, the specs : RA 65 and i got 357 gr on my scale.

Thoughts about that ?
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
If you find one in your grip size that has a good bumper guard, try it out. You’ll get an idea.

generations in general:
1) no grommets or bumper - 1 stripe
2) Individual grommets but no bumper - 1 stripe
3) bumper and grommets - 1 stripe
4) 4 stripe version that says 110 series
5) 4 stripe version that says oversize
6) 20th anniversary straight shaft
7) says TOUR
8) classic graphite

Versions 4-8 are roughly the same with subtle differences that could be due to manufacturer tolerances. 3 is the heaviest. 1/2 are for traditionalists who want to flaunt their eccentric, old school ways

I think I’ve hit with them all. I preferred the 90/midsize/midplus/93 version back in the day.

I also have the latest 107g that I need to pass on to someone else. It’s not for me.
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
One more thing and this might be considered blasphemous by many, but I feel as though any old Prince 107/110/Oversize frame with a 16x19 pattern hits roughly the same. You can play with string combinations to get them to have equivalent power, feel, etc.

I know. I know. Blasphemous! Hang the heretic!
 
Thank you, great information. Mine is number 7 !
But my question : is the POG a soft racquet and arm friendly, good for the elbow ?
In comparison with the Prince Phantom 100 for example?
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Out of the dozens of Prince rackets I have had, including a couple of dozen Prince 107s of various types, I use a POG 107 as my elbow rehab racket. I gave or traded away my PP100P and my 107G. Still have a couple of later POGs, but let one guy on this board traded me out of all my 4 stripe POG 107s. I still have a couple of Ti Chang 107s I chopped to 27.3" so they suffice alongside a Tour and a PCG 107.
 

gold325

Rookie
Best one - the one you can handle comfortably. I have a Version 7.1 (tour graphite from 2000s, mine 355g strung and 5HL with OG and dampener) and Version 7.2 (latest version of tour graphite after 2014, mine 343g strung and 7HL with OG and dampener).

Version 7.2 (lighter, more HL) is much easier to swing for me especially with my one handed backhand.

If I could find a pair of mint underweight Version 4,5s (4 stripe) at around 340g strung and 8-9HL it would be my freaking dream racket.
 
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Connorsfan

New User
I got rid of all of my 4-stripes, just was time to move on. I still have a single one-stripe with grommets and a bumper, it crushes the ball. I had some elbow/forearm issue (not tennis related) and have never felt a bad thing with that racquet. Finally decided I was old enough to spend what I want and had it strung with Babolat Touch 16. Punishing hard flat groundstrokes and volleys go where you aim them. I love it.
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
do you have the technical datas of these? weight unstrung, balance, swingweight?
thanks
I’ll give it a go…

3) played by an attractive woman named Gabriella Sabatini but only after peeling the bumper guard off and replacing it with individual grommets and adding 10” of lead on both the left and right sides. Both you and I are too weak for this!

4) Played by a much less attractive woman named Andre Agassi. She was very concerned with her image at this point in her career and feasted on fast food. Mere mortals like us can enjoy this one.

5) This was played by a small man who’s likely still larger than either of us named Michael Chang. This guy could play in extreme heat on legs that didn’t want to work. He wasn’t concerned with image and this racquet chipped more than others. Some had matching black primer and others had grey primer. It played identical to the fast food warrior’s racquet and is a popular model among mere mortals or others who sweat greasy foods.

I’d never heard the terms stiffness, swingweight, balance, etc until I visited these boards. I merely hit the fuzzy yellow ball. These were all foam filled racquets and were strong enough to take more abuse than today’s racquets. Look at it this way… If you have to ask what the weight or balance of racquets designed in 1983-1986/7, you should stay away. They’re all going to be 12+ oz static weight and possibly 13 oz, 6+ points headlight, with a swingweight 340+. These came from an era when women had a single arm the size of Nadal’s left. The men had to retire by age 30 due to their inability to run and swing these hefty monsters.

Side note:
All of this is just my opinion and cannot be backed up by any factual information. Any truth was mere luck and coincidence. My sincerest apologies to Mr Graf for caller his wife ugly!
 

yatahaze

New User
@dak95_00 I believe that a POG 4 stripes could be used quite easily by many MALE PROS nowadays too......just think about the Djokovic racquet and its weight....

I believe that Prince company misfortunes were the real reason.....
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
@dak95_00 I believe that a POG 4 stripes could be used quite easily by many MALE PROS nowadays too......just think about the Djokovic racquet and its weight....

I believe that Prince company misfortunes were the real reason.....
Absolutely many pros could use that racquet. When you produce quite possibly the best racquet ever in 1983, where do you go? How do you improve? What can be expected of your sales?

Prince was on top of the world and went the way of Ford or General Motors. They attempted to expand. They went toward golf. They went into other equipment such as ball machines and stringers. They tried to improve market share by producing midsize models and oversize models. They watered down their own products by putting out too many options using all sorts of materials and layups. They then chased Wilson’s success into the wide body era and it all failed.

Keep in mind Wilson did the same thing in golf. Then as Wilson did in golf, Prince did the same with pro tennis. They lost or quit endorsing the best professional players. They quit endorsing the best clubs and club professionals. The racquets became oddities. Where Head has somehow just changed paint and kept on keeping on, Prince failed.

The thin beam, open string pattern, 107 racquet is quite possibly the best all around racquet for the most players there has ever been. It’s good for tour professionals, juniors, seniors, and weekend hacks. The PS85 cannot boast that same claim and neither could any other 93 or 89.5 frame.
 

yatahaze

New User
Absolutely many pros could use that racquet. When you produce quite possibly the best racquet ever in 1983, where do you go? How do you improve? What can be expected of your sales?

Prince was on top of the world and went the way of Ford or General Motors. They attempted to expand. They went toward golf. They went into other equipment such as ball machines and stringers. They tried to improve market share by producing midsize models and oversize models. They watered down their own products by putting out too many options using all sorts of materials and layups. They then chased Wilson’s success into the wide body era and it all failed.

Keep in mind Wilson did the same thing in golf. Then as Wilson did in golf, Prince did the same with pro tennis. They lost or quit endorsing the best professional players. They quit endorsing the best clubs and club professionals. The racquets became oddities. Where Head has somehow just changed paint and kept on keeping on, Prince failed.

The thin beam, open string pattern, 107 racquet is quite possibly the best all around racquet for the most players there has ever been. It’s good for tour professionals, juniors, seniors, and weekend hacks. The PS85 cannot boast that same claim and neither could any other 93 or 89.5 frame.
You are perfectly right, Head is producing right now, basically the same frame since 30 years....changing paint......
In my opinion Prince had to keep in commerce the POG, but:
- for sure 30 years prices were higher than today: a POG in Italy costed 500.000 lire, that's 250 euro without considering inflaction....it was a very high price. Nowadays racquet prices are way too low, that's also because materials are different and less pricey that 30 years ago, but quality is now obviously worse!
- POG nowadays weighs too much, they should have studied a new lighter POG, but continuing investing in professional tennis and endorsing the best.....

P.S. what do you mean the "wide body era"?
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
You are perfectly right, Head is producing right now, basically the same frame since 30 years....changing paint......
In my opinion Prince had to keep in commerce the POG, but:
- for sure 30 years prices were higher than today: a POG in Italy costed 500.000 lire, that's 250 euro without considering inflaction....it was a very high price. Nowadays racquet prices are way too low, that's also because materials are different and less pricey that 30 years ago, but quality is now obviously worse!
- POG nowadays weighs too much, they should have studied a new lighter POG, but continuing investing in professional tennis and endorsing the best.....

P.S. what do you mean the "wide body era"?
The Textreme Graphite or 107G appears to be a lighter weight POG. But I think it’s too little too late for them. It also doesn’t have the best feel.

The widebody racquets were the CTS and such. They came out along the time of the Wilson Profile. Prince’s flagship was the $400US Thunderstick. While some CTS racquets were nice, some such as the Thunderstick were just super heavy granny racquets and not suited for players. They were marketed to players though. Wilson has survived because they are much more diverse in their business platforms and have had a market share in many more sports including football, futbol, basketball, baseball, golf, etc.

Prince tried to do that but failed. They should’ve just focused on being great at tennis and other racquet sports.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Today I took out my "Tour" 107 strung with Ash Kev x ZX and after experimenting the last several years with many rackets in sizes from 93-115. I think I am ready to settle down with the Tour 107. I have had most of the other versions of POG 107. The Tour seems to flex just the right way for me. The new 107G - well, I traded it away. I would like an extra .25-.3" in length but I can live with standard length. I already offered up some of my better Rad OS's to another TT'r if he can dig up some Tour POG 107s. I'm still going to fiddle around with "Pro Staff" 4.7 115's but more as a side hobby within the main hobby of tennis. I chopped one of my 4.7 115's down and think I can come up with "Son of POG 107" for my "extra" golden years.
 
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