Is there a "Halle Curse"?

[Krish872007]

Wimbledon results of all Halle winners (other than Roger Federer) since 2000:

2001 - Johansson - lost in R2
2002 - Kafelnikov - lost in R3
2007 - Berdych - lost in QF
2009 - Haas - lost in SF
2010 - Hewitt - lost in R4
2011 - Kohlschreiber - lost in R1
2012 - Haas - lost in R1
2016 - Mayer - lost in R1
2018 - Coric - lost in R1
2021 - Humbert - lost in R1
2022 - Hurkacz - lost in R1
2023 - Bublik - TBD

 

[NAS]

Other than Fed lol.
You lost me there

 

[Kemitak]

Bublik will win Wimbledon. All the bad juju is used up now.

 

[tennis3]

Djokovic, Nadal and Murray have always avoided Halle just in case

 

[NAS]

Djokovic, Nadal and Murray have always avoided Halle just in case

Djokovic lost the final to Haas in 2009, Murray is British so he will prefer queens anyway.
Rafa has also played Halle

 

[Deleted member 758560]

the german empire is upset that it never reached the heights of the british empire, so it takes revenge slowly and quietly

 

[Krish872007]

Djokovic lost the final to Haas in 2009, Murray is British so he will prefer queens anyway.

Haas followed up that title with a good run and beat Novak on the way to the Wimbledon semis - he had a really good stretch through the mid part of 2009
Nadal played Halle in 2012 (lost to Kohlschreiber) and 2014 (lost to Brown)

 

[Deleted member 629564]

Wimbledon results of all Halle winners (other than Roger Federer) since 2000:

Other than Fed lol.
You lost me there

Everyone knows that Roger is curse-proof as he transcends tennis.

 

[NAS]

Haas followed up that title with a good run and beat Novak on the way to the Wimbledon semis - he had a really good stretch through the mid part of 2009
Nadal played Halle in 2012 (lost to Kohlschreiber) and 2014 (lost to Brown)

Rafa also played Halle in 2005

 

[Krish872007]

Everyone knows that Roger is curse-proof as he transcends tennis.

LMAO

The message doesn't come across as strong if you include Fed though. He did lose in Wimbledon R2 after winning Halle in 2013, but other than that it's been robust - he won the Halle-Wimbledon double on 5 occasions (2003-06, 2017), made the Wimbledon final on 4 other occasions (2008, 2014-15, 2019)

 

[Hitman]

So, it either produced the Grass GOAT or a bunch of 1st round wannabes. LOL

 

[DSH]

Wimbledon results of all Halle winners (other than Roger Federer) since 2000:

2001 - Johansson - lost in R2
2002 - Kafelnikov - lost in R3

2007 - Berdych - lost in QF
2009 - Haas - lost in SF
2010 - Hewitt - lost in R4

2011 - Kohlschreiber - lost in R1
2012 - Haas - lost in R1
2016 - Mayer - lost in R1
2018 - Coric - lost in R1
2021 - Humbert - lost in R1
2022 - Hurkacz - lost in R1
2023 - Bublik - TBD

Berdych lost in 2007 against Nadal, Haas lost in 2009 against Federer and Hewitt lost in 2010 against Djokovic.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Wimbledon results of all Halle winners (other than Roger Federer) since 2000:

2001 - Johansson - lost in R2
2002 - Kafelnikov - lost in R3
2007 - Berdych - lost in QF
2009 - Haas - lost in SF
2010 - Hewitt - lost in R4
2011 - Kohlschreiber - lost in R1
2012 - Haas - lost in R1
2016 - Mayer - lost in R1
2018 - Coric - lost in R1
2021 - Humbert - lost in R1
2022 - Hurkacz - lost in R1
2023 - Bublik - TBD

Other than the guy that got tired of winning both events in the same year lol.


But yeah, since 2011 there's a shocking amount of R1 for an event that's the 3rd most important on the surface.

 

[Deleted member 758560]

So, it either produced the Grass GOAT or a bunch of 1st round wannabes. LOL

grass goat with 0-3 record, dont forget

 

[Mainad]

Gosh, only Haas and Berdych went on to go deep in Wimbledon from that list!

To date, Federer is the only player to be able to handle both tournaments. He completed the Halle-Wimbledon double on 5 occasions (2003-6,2017).

 

[pj80]

Gosh, only Haas and Berdych went on to go deep in Wimbledon from that list!

To date, Federer is the only player to be able to handle both tournaments. He completed the Halle-Wimbledon double on 5 occasions (2003-6,2017).

basically since 2011, other than Fed, Halle winners lost in R1

 

[ibbi]

I wouldn't say there is a curse, I'd just say the conditions of Halle are absolutely nothing like the conditions of Wimbledon, and the fact Federer did so well at both is the major reason he has a claim to true grass greatness.

 

[Krish872007]

I wouldn't say there is a curse, I'd just say the conditions of Halle are absolutely nothing like the conditions of Wimbledon, and the fact Federer did so well at both is the major reason he has a claim to true grass greatness.

I think the conditions in Halle are a bit quicker and the courts are more slick. He struggled in some matches even in his best years against the big servers - in 2006 I remember him dropping sets everywhere and having to save MPs
But then promptly destroyed everyone at Wimbledon

 

[Gizo]

It was a shame that Kiefer couldn’t beat Kafelnikov in the 2002 final (who he had beaten quite a few times in the past including in their most recent match 1-2 months earlier) after taking the 1st set, following his wins against both Sampras and Federer en-route.

 

[T007]

Rafa also played Halle in 2005

Nadal was very bad looked like top 100 level in Halle.

 

[ibbi]

I think the conditions in Halle are a bit quicker and the courts are more slick. He struggled in some matches even in his best years against the big servers - in 2006 I remember him dropping sets everywhere and having to save MPs
But then promptly destroyed everyone at Wimbledon

Agreed. Halle is definitely the closest that we have left on tour to what Wimbledon, and most of the old grass courts outside of Australia, used to be like. The margins are much smaller, and matches tended to be decided by a handful of points. It's a major reason you see so few repeat champions, and when you do... You know to appreciate them.

 

[adil1972]

is there also Queen Curse or not??????

i think not sure that nadal won above both in one year

EDIT

Has anyone won Queens and Wimbledon in the same year?

Since 1979, John McEnroe, Jimmy Connors, Boris Becker, Pete Sampras, Lleyton Hewitt, Rafael Nadal and Andy Murray (twice) have all won both The Queen's Club

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[joshuayuan]

Djokovic, Nadal and Murray have always avoided Halle just in case

 

[TennisXpert@2023]

There’s no curse, just hating on the tournament simply because Federer played there. Federer never commented on going from Halle to Wimbledon. So it’s not the grass, it’s the player. Winning either tournament propels a player to Wimbledon champion and neither Halle or Queens will be a 1000.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Agreed. Halle is definitely the closest that we have left on tour to what Wimbledon, and most of the old grass courts outside of Australia, used to be like. The margins are much smaller, and matches tended to be decided by a handful of points. It's a major reason you see so few repeat champions, and when you do... You know to appreciate them.

Do you remember Federer saying anything about why he chose Halle over Queens?

I know he had a formal agreement in place to play always Halle, but I would be interested to know what motivated that decision if there was anything substantial to it, like preferring the tournament setting, conditions etc etc.

Federer’s involvement in Halle makes this null and void because of his prowess on grass, but I always thought Queens generally had a deeper draw. Would you agree with that?

 

[TennisXpert@2023]

Do you remember Federer saying anything about why he chose Halle over Queens?

I know he had a formal agreement in place to play always Halle, but I would be interested to know what motivated that decision if there was anything substantial to it, like preferring the tournament setting, conditions etc etc.

Federer’s involvement in Halle makes this null and void because of his prowess on grass, but I always thought Queens generally had a deeper draw. Would you agree with that?

Federer did say why he played there. He said Halle was like family and he is German speaking Swiss.

Playing Halle didn’t prevent him from winning Wimbledon.