Is there a new Head Graphene 360+ Speed Pro coming out?

Pheelgood

New User
I am looking to try out the Head Graphene 360+ Speed Pro but the shop at my tennis club says a new one is coming out in February. They hadn’t received any more info on it except that it was all black. Wasn’t the 360+ Speed updated last year? Is this only a new paint job or will the specs be different? I can’t find any info on this online except for this one page that isn’t very informative.

Does anyone know?
 
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Love the all black paint job.
I was surprised (as I didn't realize it before) that the beam width on the pro is 23 mm.
That's a pretty wide beam for a players racquet.
Obviously it doesn't bother Djoker (unless he's not really using this model of course).
 

McGradey

Hall of Fame
Love the all black paint job.
I was surprised (as I didn't realize it before) that the beam width on the pro is 23 mm.
That's a pretty wide beam for a players racquet.
Obviously it doesn't bother Djoker (unless he's not really using this model of course).

Djokovic uses a 95” pro stock based on an old Radical
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Love the all black paint job.
I was surprised (as I didn't realize it before) that the beam width on the pro is 23 mm.
That's a pretty wide beam for a players racquet.
Obviously it doesn't bother Djoker (unless he's not really using this model of course).
Both, pro and MP use the same mold (TK339), the string pattern is the only difference. Been that way for a while now, TK301, 339...
Novak's racket uses the Tk346 mold (PT346.1 layup) is a 22mm, 95 sq in, twin tube construction, 18x19 string pattern, 0.1" extended, so....not even close to the retail speed
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
I am looking to try out the Head Graphene 360+ Speed Pro but the shop at my tennis club says a new one is coming out in February. They hadn’t received any more info on it except that it was all black. Wasn’t the 360+ Speed updated last year? Is this only a new paint job or will the specs be different? I can’t find any info on this online except for this one page that isn’t very informative.

Does anyone know?
go to Tennis Warehouse Instagram page and you can see both, the Pro and MP 360+ Black on it

I just realized it is already posted here: https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/He..._Pro_Black_Racquets/descpageRCHEAD-HRSPB.html
 
Both, pro and MP use the same mold (TK339), the string pattern is the only difference. Been that way for a while now, TK301, 339...
Novak's racket uses the Tk346 mold (PT346.1 layup) is a 22mm, 95 sq in, twin tube construction, 18x19 string pattern, 0.1" extended, so....not even close to the retail speed
Yeah that figures. Boy, you are an encyclopedia of all the Head mold's aren't you ;)
 
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spike160c

New User
Blacked out would be a great improvement PJ

I was able to get my hands on a black 360+ MP 16x19 couple weeks ago and I’m really disappointed at Head’s quality control. This is an authentic black 360+ MP demoed from a reputable shop that was shipped from Head and not a fake copy. The shop owner sold out all of his speed MPs including the demo, but strung this blacked out model early for me since I knew him well. He also wanted to see if there was any real difference between the two paint jobs of the same model, to ensure his customers that it is just a paint job difference and not a spec change.

Strung spec with yonex poly tour pro 125 at 52lbs:

Static weight - 314g
Balance - 4 pts headlight
Swing weight -316g

TW strung specs;
Static weight - 318g
Balance - 4 pts headlight
Swing weight - 328g


Swing Weight seems to be way under spec about 12 grams. Am I missing something here, besides swing weight? I mean, it felt like a toy during a 20 min hitting session. With the low swing weight, ball deflection off the racquet was hard to control on fast incoming shots and also when I was on the offensive with attacking ground strokes. Definitely less stable than the regular white and black model. The volleys were a joke, unless you hit it dead center. Anything outside of this sweet spot will give your opponent a false sense of your net superiority due to amazing unintentional drops shots that land inches from the net and die after 1 bounce. One positive note from this is that I was definitely able to generate massive spin due to high racquet head speed, resulting in eye opening kick serve heights. Another is the soft flex associated with this line. Downside, no plow through/penetration.

What I concluded(speculated) is that someone in Head’s QC must have overlooked the batch that this racquet belonged to. It’s nice and maneuverable, but lacking any sort of punch. Maybe the playing characteristics would have been different if I had a strung this at 45lbs, or tried adding lead to match stock specs of the 360+ Speed MP. I wish HEAD would be more vigilant with QC like Yonex. I mean retail prices between these Manufacturers are similar, so I’m sure HEAD can allocate a little more funding toward QC.
 

Pheelgood

New User
Just demoed this racquet and I am a bit unsure if it suits me. I got many high balls that went long. It felt a bit "clumsy" in my arm. I am coming from a Wilson Six One Team (specs below) so kind of a different racquet. I am looking for a racquet that is a bit easier on my arm and that can help me some with spin (I am generally a rather flat-hitter but working on spin strokes). Does anyone have a good suggestion of a racquet that I could try out? Would the PS 97 be a better fit for me giving what I am coming from (6 1 Team)?

6 1 Team:
289g Unstrung weight
33cm balance
6.0 SI stiffness
95 sq.in. head size
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Both, pro and MP use the same mold (TK339), the string pattern is the only difference. Been that way for a while now, TK301, 339...
Novak's racket uses the Tk346 mold (PT346.1 layup) is a 22mm, 95 sq in, twin tube construction, 18x19 string pattern, 0.1" extended, so....not even close to the retail speed
Let me add to my previous post:
The Pro and MP are identical molds (TK339), however, the layups, respective TGK339.1 & TGK339.2 are different. It appears that the Pro is heavier and slightly more HL while MP is lighter and slightly less HL. Strung (18x20 vs 16x19) swing weights are similar.
 

Ryebread

Hall of Fame
Just demoed this racquet and I am a bit unsure if it suits me. I got many high balls that went long. It felt a bit "clumsy" in my arm. I am coming from a Wilson Six One Team (specs below) so kind of a different racquet. I am looking for a racquet that is a bit easier on my arm and that can help me some with spin (I am generally a rather flat-hitter but working on spin strokes). Does anyone have a good suggestion of a racquet that I could try out? Would the PS 97 be a better fit for me giving what I am coming from (6 1 Team)?

6 1 Team:
289g Unstrung weight
33cm balance
6.0 SI stiffness
95 sq.in. head size

ps97 is far too heavy and far too HL for you (if you like that 33cm balance)
the ps97L is more your weight, but still too HL, and is very stiff.
I really don't know what you should demo next, but wanted to say that the PS97 is prob not for you, unless you're ready for some changes.

cheers
 

Pheelgood

New User
ps97 is far too heavy and far too HL for you (if you like that 33cm balance)
the ps97L is more your weight, but still too HL, and is very stiff.
I really don't know what you should demo next, but wanted to say that the PS97 is prob not for you, unless you're ready for some changes.

cheers
Ok, thanks. So the Speed MP might be a better fit for me given the 32cm balance as compared to ps97's 31cm and the Speed Pro's 31.5cm? I suppose the lower weight of the MP would also be better for me.
 

Hit 'em clean

Semi-Pro
The Speed MP has a 16x19 pattern and is lighter so spin comes more easily than with the Pro. You can still hit with a ton of topspin with the Pro, but you need to hit with purpose and good technique to bring it out of it. If you're a flat ball hitter looking for more spin... the Pro might not be what you want. I would still encourage you to give the Pro more time to maybe get used to the weight and figure out how to get the spin you're looking for... I promise it's a heavier ball and more rewarding than the lighter MP version.

Of course you can also add weight to the MP if that works well for you. Both are good but I'm a big fan of the Pro, but coming from a lighter frame the MP would be closer to what you're used to.
 

Mischko

Professional
I have both, Pro and MP, and Touch Speed MP - very similar and used by Sinner, Andreescu and Gauff.

360+ MP is still perfectly fine as is, nothing missing, deserves all the praise and high notes. New MP is fully usable even for advanced players but it then needs a bit of lead. I have 4g of lead on the at 3 and 9, and that provides more twist stability and swingweight for my one handed backhand. MP like that is still slightly too light for me, I play a lot with juniors and ex-pros, and I need weight, because even if I hit with all I have it still isn't enough against good players. But the MP gives excellent everything, launch angle, bend and dip, kick, stable on slices and volleys etc. It is great for all kinds of shots, very well made racquet. Stable but plush, you can swing as fast as you like, and wherever in the strings you hit the ball your arm is perfectly fine. Great on defence and transition into attack immediately, since it is light and fast and manoeuvrable. A small caveat - MP still requires fast swings, and you really have to try full swings, but its span is wide and large, it will work really well in all kind of intermediate shots, as long as you are aware that you should try to hit harder rather than slower. Racquet like that is made for young competitors who really hit on every shot.

360+ Pro is also great, I also have it with 4g at 3 and 9, and I still need more weight, I'm about to try that next. 18x20 pattern takes the power level down, I would really really like it if Head gave us Pro in 16x19 or 16x20. Its throat area gives it more stability compared to MP, and my swings require it, MP sometimes bends too much for my power. Equally plush and slightly more stable compared to MP. But the Pro however really is Pro, I wouldn't recommend it to everybody. Maybe if you have it strung with a lower tension to maintain snap back, you could get away with slower shots, but otherwise it is made for tennis "like on TV", basically it forces you to play Thiem or Tsitsipas style of play, hitting 120% non stop. And it works great for that, but you can't really slow down. Its other downside is the obvious lack of bend and dip, due to its 18x20 string pattern with an inherently lower launch angle, compared to MP or other 16x19 racquets. Ball trajectory is noticeably flatter and lower. Good players handle that kind of incoming ball noticeably more easily, they just block it, something they can't do if the ball is dipping in, like Sinner's for example. That, and more power, is why I would really love to have a 16x19 Pro.

My next consideration is MP with more lead in the throat and head. I don't like adding weight to the handle, just like racquet engineers don't, because it is mostly dead weight slowing me down, so I prefer not to add a leather grip, but I might try.

Touch MP is too light in the head and needs a bit of lead for everyone 16yo+. It has wide string spacing and fabulous bend and dip, when I watch Sinner or Gauff I can totally recognize the technique provoked by the racquet characteristics. Wider head shape is not great for my one handed backhand, it twists in my hand more easily and forces me to play with a lot top spin on every shot. But a great racquet, needs more than just a bit of lead to give it swingweight and weight of shot. And is also made for junior competitors with fast shots, so you have to swing it and mean it. Also stable and plush, but less than 360+.
 

Bronc10is

Semi-Pro
Just demoed this racquet and I am a bit unsure if it suits me. I got many high balls that went long. It felt a bit "clumsy" in my arm. I am coming from a Wilson Six One Team (specs below) so kind of a different racquet. I am looking for a racquet that is a bit easier on my arm and that can help me some with spin (I am generally a rather flat-hitter but working on spin strokes). Does anyone have a good suggestion of a racquet that I could try out? Would the PS 97 be a better fit for me giving what I am coming from (6 1 Team)?

6 1 Team:
289g Unstrung weight
33cm balance
6.0 SI stiffness
95 sq.in. head size

I went from a Speed Pro to Ps97 v13. Had similar experience with you with the 360+. Try it out for sure.
 

Mischko

Professional
Hi, yes. TWE on February 2nd, Speed MP and Pro in black. I've already seen them elsewhere, but then they hid them from the site.
 

TennisManiac

Hall of Fame
I just ordered the 360+ Speed Pro and the MP as demos. Strung with poly. I'm looking forward to messing around with lead on both frames and seeing for myself which one is better suited for me. Hopefully the weather here in PA. holds up for a couple of more weeks so I can give each frame an honest chance. The Speed Pro in particular really peaks my curiosity. I'm hoping it's just as solid and stable as the Pro Staff 97 and offers more comfort, power and control. If it does... I may switch. Fingers crossed.
 

TF40

Rookie
The all black versions of Speed pro/ mp don’t look any better than white versions. The white fonts look under designed on the black paint.
 

edelp

Semi-Pro
I just ordered the 360+ Speed Pro and the MP as demos. Strung with poly. I'm looking forward to messing around with lead on both frames and seeing for myself which one is better suited for me. Hopefully the weather here in PA. holds up for a couple of more weeks so I can give each frame an honest chance. The Speed Pro in particular really peaks my curiosity. I'm hoping it's just as solid and stable as the Pro Staff 97 and offers more comfort, power and control. If it does... I may switch. Fingers crossed.

any news or decisions or switch?
 
I just ordered the 360+ Speed Pro and the MP as demos. Strung with poly. I'm looking forward to messing around with lead on both frames and seeing for myself which one is better suited for me. Hopefully the weather here in PA. holds up for a couple of more weeks so I can give each frame an honest chance. The Speed Pro in particular really peaks my curiosity. I'm hoping it's just as solid and stable as the Pro Staff 97 and offers more comfort, power and control. If it does... I may switch. Fingers crossed.

So did I... unfortunately I agree with the one negative review on the customer reviews of the midplus that the string spacing is too wide so it launches the ball too high reminds him of a Babolat have to spin the ball a lot to keep it in. Most people really like it, but I'd have to go with the Speed Pro I don't think it has that problem, the midplus puts extra depth and height on the ball I think
 

n8dawg6

Legend
I have both, Pro and MP, and Touch Speed MP - very similar and used by Sinner, Andreescu and Gauff.

360+ MP is still perfectly fine as is, nothing missing, deserves all the praise and high notes. New MP is fully usable even for advanced players but it then needs a bit of lead. I have 4g of lead on the at 3 and 9, and that provides more twist stability and swingweight for my one handed backhand. MP like that is still slightly too light for me, I play a lot with juniors and ex-pros, and I need weight, because even if I hit with all I have it still isn't enough against good players. But the MP gives excellent everything, launch angle, bend and dip, kick, stable on slices and volleys etc. It is great for all kinds of shots, very well made racquet. Stable but plush, you can swing as fast as you like, and wherever in the strings you hit the ball your arm is perfectly fine. Great on defence and transition into attack immediately, since it is light and fast and manoeuvrable. A small caveat - MP still requires fast swings, and you really have to try full swings, but its span is wide and large, it will work really well in all kind of intermediate shots, as long as you are aware that you should try to hit harder rather than slower. Racquet like that is made for young competitors who really hit on every shot.

360+ Pro is also great, I also have it with 4g at 3 and 9, and I still need more weight, I'm about to try that next. 18x20 pattern takes the power level down, I would really really like it if Head gave us Pro in 16x19 or 16x20. Its throat area gives it more stability compared to MP, and my swings require it, MP sometimes bends too much for my power. Equally plush and slightly more stable compared to MP. But the Pro however really is Pro, I wouldn't recommend it to everybody. Maybe if you have it strung with a lower tension to maintain snap back, you could get away with slower shots, but otherwise it is made for tennis "like on TV", basically it forces you to play Thiem or Tsitsipas style of play, hitting 120% non stop. And it works great for that, but you can't really slow down. Its other downside is the obvious lack of bend and dip, due to its 18x20 string pattern with an inherently lower launch angle, compared to MP or other 16x19 racquets. Ball trajectory is noticeably flatter and lower. Good players handle that kind of incoming ball noticeably more easily, they just block it, something they can't do if the ball is dipping in, like Sinner's for example. That, and more power, is why I would really love to have a 16x19 Pro.

My next consideration is MP with more lead in the throat and head. I don't like adding weight to the handle, just like racquet engineers don't, because it is mostly dead weight slowing me down, so I prefer not to add a leather grip, but I might try.

Touch MP is too light in the head and needs a bit of lead for everyone 16yo+. It has wide string spacing and fabulous bend and dip, when I watch Sinner or Gauff I can totally recognize the technique provoked by the racquet characteristics. Wider head shape is not great for my one handed backhand, it twists in my hand more easily and forces me to play with a lot top spin on every shot. But a great racquet, needs more than just a bit of lead to give it swingweight and weight of shot. And is also made for junior competitors with fast shots, so you have to swing it and mean it. Also stable and plush, but less than 360+.
good explanation of the “bend and dip”.
 

TennisManiac

Hall of Fame
any news or decisions or switch?
I took both frames out to the courts and within about 5 minutes knew that the Pro was the one for me. The MP's string pattern was too open for my taste. The trajectory off the stringbed was way too high imo. And the control was just o.k. The Pro on the other hand was exactly what I had been hoping for. The trajectory was perfect. The balls were low over the net and penetrated the court quickly. The tighter string pattern provided loads of control. I could put the ball anywhere I wanted. And as for power, the 360+ Speed Pro offers more than the Pro Staff 97 for sure. It also felt nice and solid which is another thing I was hoping for. So yep.... I made the switch. Good bye Pro Staff... Hello 360+ Speed Pro.

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So did I... unfortunately I agree with the one negative review on the customer reviews of the midplus that the string spacing is too wide so it launches the ball too high reminds him of a Babolat have to spin the ball a lot to keep it in. Most people really like it, but I'd have to go with the Speed Pro I don't think it has that problem, the midplus puts extra depth and height on the ball I think
Yep, I agree. The MP launches the ball way too high and doesn't get through the court quick enough for me. Speed Pro is way better imo.
 

edelp

Semi-Pro
I took both frames out to the courts and within about 5 minutes knew that the Pro was the one for me. The MP's string pattern was too open for my taste. The trajectory off the stringbed was way too high imo. And the control was just o.k. The Pro on the other hand was exactly what I had been hoping for. The trajectory was perfect. The balls were low over the net and penetrated the court quickly. The tighter string pattern provided loads of control. I could put the ball anywhere I wanted. And as for power, the 360+ Speed Pro offers more than the Pro Staff 97 for sure. It also felt nice and solid which is another thing I was hoping for. So yep.... I made the switch. Good bye Pro Staff... Hello 360+ Speed Pro.



Yep, I agree. The MP launches the ball way too high and doesn't get through the court quick enough for me. Speed Pro is way better imo.

Ok. I see. Very interesting. I am playing with the MP, and quite happy. Admit though that sometimes the launch angle is very high but still i love many other things it gives to my game (and my level). Now I received the PRO and happy to test and compare to the lighter and open pattern brother MP.
thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 

TennisManiac

Hall of Fame
Ok. I see. Very interesting. I am playing with the MP, and quite happy. Admit though that sometimes the launch angle is very high but still i love many other things it gives to my game (and my level). Now I received the PRO and happy to test and compare to the lighter and open pattern brother MP.
thanks for sharing your thoughts.
What strings are you using and at what tension? That makes a big difference in how an individual perceives a frame.
 

veedo

New User
So did I... unfortunately I agree with the one negative review on the customer reviews of the midplus that the string spacing is too wide so it launches the ball too high reminds him of a Babolat have to spin the ball a lot to keep it in. Most people really like it, but I'd have to go with the Speed Pro I don't think it has that problem, the midplus puts extra depth and height on the ball I think

Similar experience here. Picked up 2 360+ MPs at the start of 2021 and played with them for ~3 months - had high hopes, but wow, didn’t work out at all for my swings. Serve was the only minor plus, the rest was a disaster. Probably poor judgment on my part / unsuitable strokes. I was coming from a looong spell with microger radical mp pros.

I borrowed a friend’s speed pro 360 (prev. generation), when I decided to sell off the MPs - immediate major improvement.

My guess is the stock speed MP requires really pronounced brush / spin strokes. I can’t believe Sinner is playing with MP-like specs, because his shots seem flattish to me.
 
Similar experience here. Picked up 2 360+ MPs at the start of 2021 and played with them for ~3 months - had high hopes, but wow, didn’t work out at all for my swings. Serve was the only minor plus, the rest was a disaster. Probably poor judgment on my part / unsuitable strokes. I was coming from a looong spell with microger radical mp pros.

I borrowed a friend’s speed pro 360 (prev. generation), when I decided to sell off the MPs - immediate major improvement.

My guess is the stock speed MP requires really pronounced brush / spin strokes. I can’t believe Sinner is playing with MP-like specs, because his shots seem flattish to me.
Sinner did hit spiny balls, though the trajectory is not high. He played with 60lbs. Got some decent control from high tension I think.
 
I took both frames out to the courts and within about 5 minutes knew that the Pro was the one for me. The MP's string pattern was too open for my taste. The trajectory off the stringbed was way too high imo. And the control was just o.k. The Pro on the other hand was exactly what I had been hoping for. The trajectory was perfect. The balls were low over the net and penetrated the court quickly. The tighter string pattern provided loads of control. I could put the ball anywhere I wanted. And as for power, the 360+ Speed Pro offers more than the Pro Staff 97 for sure. It also felt nice and solid which is another thing I was hoping for. So yep.... I made the switch. Good bye Pro Staff... Hello 360+ Speed Pro.

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Yep, I agree. The MP launches the ball way too high and doesn't get through the court quick enough for me. Speed Pro is way better imo.

Couldn't agree more, too hard to prevent balls from going too high or long and the control wasn't good either. The Pro is the only option with the Speed... The real struggle is deciding Speed Pro vs blade v8 vs vcore 98 vs ultra tour etc. Very hard to decide all such good racquets...
 

BBM

Rookie
Similar experience here. Picked up 2 360+ MPs at the start of 2021 and played with them for ~3 months - had high hopes, but wow, didn’t work out at all for my swings. Serve was the only minor plus, the rest was a disaster. Probably poor judgment on my part / unsuitable strokes. I was coming from a looong spell with microger radical mp pros.

I borrowed a friend’s speed pro 360 (prev. generation), when I decided to sell off the MPs - immediate major improvement.

My guess is the stock speed MP requires really pronounced brush / spin strokes. I can’t believe Sinner is playing with MP-like specs, because his shots seem flattish to me.

Sinner plays with a lot of spin actually. I saw a stat (Tennis TV I think?) that his backhand has the most RPMs on tour.
 

veedo

New User
Sinner plays with a lot of spin actually. I saw a stat (Tennis TV I think?) that his backhand has the most RPMs on tour.

apparently an outlier for both strokes: high spin on the backhand side, but relatively flat on the forehand side vs other pros. Source: www dot ubitennis dot net/2020/02/topspin-rate-2019-stats-tell-us/

Maybe I was basing my impression on his forehand motion, but more likely I just don’t have the eyes to read those trajectories from a tv screen :) And I sure as heck can’t keep the ball in court with a speed MP the way he does.
 

Chezbeeno

Professional
I wish they made the MP in an 18x20. I've hit with the MP quite a bit, and I own a Pro - and I slightly prefer the pro because of the more consistent and lower launch angle. That being said, having hit with it for a couple of months now, I feel like the extra weight it has over the MP doesn't really bring much to the table. It doesn't feel *that* much more stable than the MP, and the extra weight doesn't give me dramatically more power or anything. A racquet with the weight and "speed" of the MP, but the string bed of the Pro, would be perfect in my opinion.

On a different note - has anyone heard anything about the new Speeds coming out in March '22?
 
I wish they made the MP in an 18x20. I've hit with the MP quite a bit, and I own a Pro - and I slightly prefer the pro because of the more consistent and lower launch angle. That being said, having hit with it for a couple of months now, I feel like the extra weight it has over the MP doesn't really bring much to the table. It doesn't feel *that* much more stable than the MP, and the extra weight doesn't give me dramatically more power or anything. A racquet with the weight and "speed" of the MP, but the string bed of the Pro, would be perfect in my opinion.

On a different note - has anyone heard anything about the new Speeds coming out in March '22?

There's this: https://www.thetennisinsider.com/post/head-speed-2022-racket-release

Based on that image, it looks like it's using the Auxetic material found in the new boom & prestige
 

Curtennis

Hall of Fame
It looks like tennis warehouse has already discounted the existing one. That seems really odd to do before the new one is even out.

I’m hoping these hit rock bottom the way the Prestige Mid and Tour did. If I can scoop them for $125 I might get a couple. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

You look at the green Vcore Pro and they still want $200 and the new ones been out for months. Let’s hope the speed fares cheaper!
 

n8dawg6

Legend
It looks like tennis warehouse has already discounted the existing one. That seems really odd to do before the new one is even out.

I’m hoping these hit rock bottom the way the Prestige Mid and Tour did. If I can scoop them for $125 I might get a couple. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

You look at the green Vcore Pro and they still want $200 and the new ones been out for months. Let’s hope the speed fares cheaper!
me too, but dont hold yer breath. the 360+ speed pro inventory will probably go like wildfire. i honestly think a lot of ppl still believe it is djokovic’s frame
 

veedo

New User
Just saw day 4 highlights from the ATP cup, and it looks like Sinner has already busted out the new speed paintjob.

This means Djokovic is likely to play with it at AO - if they let him past the airport that is
 

mstrvol

New User
me too, but dont hold yer breath. the 360+ speed pro inventory will probably go like wildfire. i honestly think a lot of ppl still believe it is djokovic’s frame

Djoker doesn't even use the 360+ paintjob. The old boys (Fed, Djoker, Murray) get to such a superstitious stage that they don't even want to change paint anymore, and Wilson/Head have to do their best to job to keep putting out new models that 'look like' what they use
 
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