Is there any reason to pick 90 square inch over 95?

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Why is it easier? Less shanking? Easier to swing? More power? More spin?

It's a confidence thing. I know it's slightly bigger than my 85, thus giving myself more margin, and giving myself more confidence.

Not sure if that makes any sense. But it's all about confidence. It's like playing with my 85 except I know I can't miss with the 90.
 
Um...how many Slams did Connors win with anything other than a T-2000?

He was forced to abandon the T-2000 because Wilson stopped making them almost a decade earlier so he couldn't get them anymore. He was so desperate at one point that he appealed to the general public to send him any T-2000s that they were no longer using.
Yeah, at one very brief point. Connors himself admitted that he had an irrational love for the frame, evidenced by the fact he doesn't use them even in recreation anymore, not even for hitting the wall, yet they are very easy to get.
 
The reason to own a 2014 PS90 is that it will make you want to play tennis more often. It's that simple. The PS95 is just another feels like everything else generic racquet.
 
Yeah, at one very brief point. Connors himself admitted that he had an irrational love for the frame, evidenced by the fact he doesn't use them even in recreation anymore, not even for hitting the wall, yet they are very easy to get.

I don't think he framed his returns much though - correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Yeah, at one very brief point. Connors himself admitted that he had an irrational love for the frame, evidenced by the fact he doesn't use them even in recreation anymore, not even for hitting the wall, yet they are very easy to get.
Borg also doesn't use a wood Donnay Borg Pro any more. Doesn't mean that he forgot how to hit the ball with one. Both Connors and Borg would hit the ball just fine with their T-2000, and Borg Pro, respectively, even today. I don't use a Dunlop Maxply Fort anymore, but I can still hit the ball very well with it without shanking.

Heck, a couple of years ago, Sampras used a 65 sq. in. wood racquet and beat Lendl who was using a huge graphite racquet. And Todd Martin was winning points against other pros on the Champions Tour using a 65 sq. in. wood racquet. If you're good, you don't need a massive racquet. The ball is still the same size as it's always been.
 
I wouldn't say one is better than another. But for a lot of people..
One thing I would say about the re-introduction of kevlar is I've long thought that a benefit of kevlar was the longevity of consistency in a frame. Frames degrade in their stiffness etc over time and the PS85s seem to have always held their form longer than other frames I tried. Perhaps that is an additional reason to pay the extra to get the 2014 frame instead of a 2012 frame on sale.
 
I assumed there was little-no difference between the 2012 and 2014 version, I prefer the paint job on the 2012 which was why I was leaning towards it. I've checked around, there doesn't seem to be much of a reduction in price for the 2014 version. On the other hand, the 2012 version is much cheaper. I live in the UK by the way, so maybe I'm just not seeing the sale going on in the US.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't believe the 2012 PS90 had Kevlar.
 
Not advanced by any means. I'm a low-mid intermediate.

I'm serious about trying to improve though and I was thinking that if I get one of these racquets, then I should develop proper techniques rather than get away with bad practices which other racquets may allow.

It's not a terrible idea to pick a frame that pushes you to do the right thing but pretty much any of the majotr 95's like the prostaff opr prestige line will do that. In fact I recommend the prestige IG MP if this is your strategy (it is a little demnading and very even tempered... if yoiu hit a good shot it wont be because the frame helped much power wise).
 
One thing I would say about the re-introduction of kevlar is I've long thought that a benefit of kevlar was the longevity of consistency in a frame. Frames degrade in their stiffness etc over time and the PS85s seem to have always held their form longer than other frames I tried. Perhaps that is an additional reason to pay the extra to get the 2014 frame instead of a 2012 frame on sale.

They charged a little more for those pro staffs and I think the braided construction and the type of resin used is what makes them last a little longer... not the kevlar.
 
They charged a little more for those pro staffs and I think the braided construction and the type of resin used is what makes them last a little longer... not the kevlar.
True. The PS 6.0 85 broke down too easily which is why Wilson added the SiO2 molecules to the nCode 90 and the K90 to make the frames stronger and last longer. All of them contained Kevlar. Many old PS 85's got softer over time.

nCode

When a racquet is nCoded nano-sized silicone oxide crystals permeate the voids between the carbon fibers. This adjustment made at the molecular level significantly strengthens and enhances the stability of the overall carbon matrix. Stronger and even more resilient nCoded racquets play better longer.

nCoded racquets measure 2 times stronger 2 times more stable and up to 22% more powerful than ordinary racquets.
 
If you are a hard flat hitter or don't want to play with poly, the 90 could be better for you. The ability to control the ball without the need for the stiffness or extra spin of poly will be better.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't believe the 2012 PS90 had Kevlar.
You are correct.

No Wilson marketing material or official information claimed those frames contained kevlar. There is no mention of kevlar on the frames themselves either.

The only mentions of it are random, hillbilly websites which Breakpoint has found which, in this case, also cite carbon in their materials list which isn't mentioned on the frame or in Wilson's own specs either.

To top it off, Wilson's own innovation department are on record as saying the 2012 PS90 never contained kevlar. Ever.

More information on this topic here. More on this to come in the near future.
 
The only mentions of it are random, hillbilly websites which Breakpoint has found which, in this case, also cite carbon in their materials list which isn't mentioned on the frame or in Wilson's own specs either.

To top it off, Wilson's own innovation department are on record as saying the 2012 PS90 never contained kevlar. Ever.
Ha ha ha....carbon IS graphite. That's what graphite is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite

A materials scientist you are not.

I tend to take what receptionists at Wilson's Innovation Center say with a grain of salt. No offense to any receptionists out there.
 
Ever watched slow-mo forehand videos of Federer?....Notice how the racket twists right after contact?....that's stability for you.
 
Again, "HyperCarbon" is graphite. Just like "Karophite Black" is graphite. And graphite is carbon. Unless you think Wilson discovered a new element called "Karophite". Let me know when you find "Karophite" on the periodic table. LOL

All graphite is carbon based but carbon doesn't necessarily equal to graphite.

Wild guess is that Wilson's fancy "Hyper Carbon" is probably some sort of high modulus carbon fiber.

15% Hyper Carbon and Graphite is probably just thinner sheets of CF over more layers of graphite sheets.


http://youtu.be/sgV2DMstyPo

hpm_0000_0003_0_img0178.jpg


Back on topic. I tried out my demo PS95 and PS95S tonight with the ball machine. Hit a couple hundred balls with each racquet. As previously stated, the PS95 series is far lighter than a PS90 and its apparent. No amount of swing can make up for it. I would imagine adding lead would definitely improve this racquet, but at the same time I'm scared it would lose much of its maneuverability. The sweet spot/power bands really isn't that much larger than a PS90. The maneuverability and plow thru of the PS90 more than makes up for possible off center hits.

Bottom line really is... I can mod the PS95/S to be closer to the PS90 but it would feel like I an estranged brother that you didn't ever want. Then I realized what am I even saying?? Why not just get the real thing? However, if these are not the only racquets you were looking at I would also consider maybe looking into modding a PS97 or a Donnay Pro One 97 with lead.
 
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All graphite is carbon based but carbon doesn't necessarily equal to graphite.

Wild guess is that Wilson's fancy "Hyper Carbon" is probably some sort of high modulus carbon fiber.

15% Hyper Carbon and Graphite is probably just thinner sheets of CF over more layers of graphite sheets.


http://youtu.be/sgV2DMstyPo
Well, of course not. The element carbon is everywhere. Heck, even we are carbon-based life forms. But graphite is made of carbon atoms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite Thus, "carbon" is used interchangeably with "graphite" when describing the composition of tennis racquets.

Again, it is very clear and unambiguous what "HyperCarbon" is: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/AboutHyperCarbon.html
 
I assumed there was little-no difference between the 2012 and 2014 version, I prefer the paint job on the 2012 which was why I was leaning towards it. I've checked around, there doesn't seem to be much of a reduction in price for the 2014 version. On the other hand, the 2012 version is much cheaper. I live in the UK by the way, so maybe I'm just not seeing the sale going on in the US.

the 2014 model on TW is 149 USD, TWE 149 EUR...
Are there places to get the racket for much lower prices on sale now? (in the States? ... I saw some brand new ones on the bay for 109 USD for 1 or 204 for 2 rackets... but then I am always wondering if they are for real...
I wouldn't mind stocking up on a few of them before they go out
 
Back on topic. I tried out my demo PS95 and PS95S tonight with the ball machine. Hit a couple hundred balls with each racquet. As previously stated, the PS95 series is far lighter than a PS90 and its apparent. No amount of swing can make up for it. I would imagine adding lead would definitely improve this racquet, but at the same time I'm scared it would lose much of its maneuverability. The sweet spot/power bands really isn't that much larger than a PS90. The maneuverability and plow thru of the PS90 more than makes up for possible off center hits.

Bottom line really is... I can mod the PS95/S to be closer to the PS90 but it would feel like I an estranged brother that you didn't ever want. Then I realized what am I even saying?? Why not just get the real thing? However, if these are not the only racquets you were looking at I would also consider maybe looking into modding a PS97 or a Donnay Pro One 97 with lead.

Not true really IMHO. When you mod the Pro Staff 95 to Pro Staff specific specs, it feels a lot like the PS90 and the PS85, however, with more forgiveness, power and spin (and less precision and control).
 
So the 2014 version has kevlar whereas the 2012 version doesn't.

Is this mostly a slight durability improvement? I assume the 2012 version will still last me for ages, right?
 
Not true really IMHO. When you mod the Pro Staff 95 to Pro Staff specific specs, it feels a lot like the PS90 and the PS85, however, with more forgiveness, power and spin (and less precision and control).

Did that, years ago, when I modified a Prestige MP to the specs of my Mid(back then, 370g, 3/4HL) for another pro who had hit with my frame and liked the feel. I hit with it to compare, and your description of the results is pretty much what I found.
 
FWIW Kevlar is not always yellow.

It can be dyed and DuPont itself has been selling it in more than just yellow since 2013.

So in post-2013 racquets the 'just look for yellow' argument may no longer hold.


Are you asking yourself why a company would care?

So that it is not easy to tell what materials they use in their weaves and layups, partially because of the consumer but mostly because of competitors.
 
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FWIW Kevlar is not always yellow.

It can be dyed and DuPont itself has been selling it in more than just yellow since 2013.

So in post-2013 racquets the 'just look for yellow' argument may no longer hold.


Are you asking yourself why a company would care?

So that it is not easy to tell what materials they use in their weaves and layups, partially because of the consumer but mostly because of competitors.
Interesting. So there may be a reason why some racquet companies may not want to tip off to their competitors that their frames contain Kevlar? Hmmmm.....could that be why Babolat never advertised that its Pure Drive contained Kevlar and why Wilson may not want to list Kevlar in the composition of the BLX 90 and 2012 PS 90 BLX?

Anyway, if they went away from yellow in 2013, then we should still be able to see the yellow Kevlar fibers in the 2010 BLX 90 and 2012 PS 90 BLX, right (if they're in there)?
 
Interesting. ..could that be why Babolat never advertised that its Pure Drive contained Kevlar and why Wilson may not want to list Kevlar in the composition of the BLX 90 and 2012 PS 90 BLX?
Wilson didn't list kevlar in the composition of those two frames because it was never in them in the first instance. Regardless of the borderline or blatant misleading stuff companies may claim about their frames at times they have been clear all along about the use or non-use of kevlar in those frames. The example of the K6.1 Tour does not set any precedence - it was an anomaly according to Wilson themselves.
 
What now Bobby Jr?

(see the materials listed)
As with many shops/websites which Breakpoint has been sharp enough to seek out amongst other - what a shop puts on their tag is not what Wilson's own information said, nor what was printed on the frame.
 
Hey Spin to Win,

I see you've changed your sig to the PS 6.0 85 (TW Re-issue). Why did you make the change from your PS 95 BLX? What do you like better about the PS 6.0 85?

It just was spot on in stock form and I prefer the feel, especially on volleys. Furthermore, the added control allowed me to put in a gut/poly hybrid without increasing the power level too much. It's just much more scalpel-like on every shot. Finally, I've never been a guy who has had too much problems hitting cleanly, so the head size is no big draw back (but it offers great advantages). I am selling my Prestiges and my PS 95 and I'm stocking up on this frame and the PS 90 in exchange haha :lol:
 
As with many shops/websites which Breakpoint has been sharp enough to seek out amongst other - what a shop puts on their tag is not what Wilson's own information said, nor what was printed on the frame.

In Germany the law is much stricter as to listing the materials of a product, so what is listed is most likely true. I asked the store clerk and they got the information directly from Wilson (you know, the guys they bought the frames from directly and to which they have personal contact).

Well, I guess there's no carbon in the frame, since Wilson's own information does not list it, right? :D
 
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It just was spot on in stock form and I prefer the feel, especially on volleys. Furthermore, the added control allowed me to put in a gut/poly hybrid without increasing the power level too much. It's just much more scalpel-like on every shot. Finally, I've never been a guy who has had too much problems hitting cleanly, so the head size is no big draw back (but it offers great advantages). I am selling my Prestiges and my PS 95 and I'm stocking up on this frame and the PS 90 in exchange haha :lol:
Got it! I agree.

I can play with the PS 6.0 85 in stock form, which is a big plus IMO. Most of my other racquets I have to add lead tape or weight on the hoop or in the throat or inside the handle, etc. It just gets messy and cumbersome and I'm always wondering if I added too much or not enough weight and/or at the right locations. With the PS 6.0 85, I can just play with it as is and not have to think about all of those things. :)
 
It just was spot on in stock form and I prefer the feel, especially on volleys. Furthermore, the added control allowed me to put in a gut/poly hybrid without increasing the power level too much. It's just much more scalpel-like on every shot. Finally, I've never been a guy who has had too much problems hitting cleanly, so the head size is no big draw back (but it offers great advantages). I am selling my Prestiges and my PS 95 and I'm stocking up on this frame and the PS 90 in exchange haha :lol:

I did the exact same thing as you, for the exact same reason.
I have been using Pro Staff's since '92, I migrated to the Tour 90's(Black with the yellow inner hoop), tried a few of the 90's along the way since, but always returned to the Tour 90's. I actually did buy the 2014 PS 90, and I thought it felt great, but I thought I would try out the PS95 to see why everyone was switching to larger head sizes. I added weight in several places to the 95 to try and get it feeling like the 90's.
I was hitting a few weeks ago and took the 90 out with me too, I wound up shelving the 95 and hit solely with the 90's again.
Live and learn. I bought more of the 2014 Pro Staff 90's
 
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It just was spot on in stock form and I prefer the feel, especially on volleys. Furthermore, the added control allowed me to put in a gut/poly hybrid without increasing the power level too much. It's just much more scalpel-like on every shot. Finally, I've never been a guy who has had too much problems hitting cleanly, so the head size is no big draw back (but it offers great advantages). I am selling my Prestiges and my PS 95 and I'm stocking up on this frame and the PS 90 in exchange haha :lol:

Funny thing, ... as much as I love the Prestige Mid in its 'final' setup, I would have stuck with the modified 6.0 I had played for about 10 years, but I got tired of breaking strings(didn't string myself, back then), and the 18x20 pattern in the Prestige gave me around 2-3hrs more, due to significantly less string movement. No idea how much time I spent, working on matching the feel of the PS 85, but it worked out alright for me.
 
..I asked the store clerk and they got the information directly from Wilson (you know, the guys they bought the frames from directly and to which they have personal contact).
They are mistaken or the local agent/sales-rep was. Wilson have never claimed kevlar to be in those frames so the shop is mistaken. Read the info on the Wilson-supplied info attached to the string-bed. Tell me if it says kevlar on it like the shop printed swing-tag. I can see the back of it right there. Go take another photo and we'll see how consistent your source is.

Think about it, what is more likely: that some random shop in Germany is correct, or that every piece of Wilson marketing and spec sheet is - plus the fact that Wilson have directly confirmed the non-existence of kevlar in that range? I know what I would put my money on.
 
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They are mistaken or the local agent/sales-rep was. Wilson have never claimed kevlar to be in those frames so the shop is mistaken.

Think about it, what is more likely: that some random shop in Germany is correct, or that every piece of Wilson marketing and spec sheet is - plus the fact that Wilson have directly confirmed the non-existence of kevlar in that range? I know what I would put my money on.

that's because you are naive and believe every single marketing fad in this world. Believe whatever you want, I don't care.
 
Sorry to intervene, but we do have a problem here...

That guy, Bobby Jr, has entered a crusade few days ago and in each every thread being the broken record about the Kevlar thing. I am also pretty sure that he's copy-paste the exact words he use in his posts.

I dont know why and who is trying -desperately- to convince by his preaching, but I feel -at least- annoyed.

He pretends he holds the only and precious truth...by some...representatives?...engineers?...stuff from Wilson anyway...that...replied officially to him...and revealed the secret truth...and because he says so...it's confirmed now...

.....Really???.....

By the way, I have to make a statement too.....George Clooney will be the next candidate for president. I do own some confirmation emails from my sources...his secretary is a cousin of mine and I know what I am talking about. Feel free to hate me for the privelege of inside info...


PS. There is only one tiny chance, that this guy in fact works for the company and his aim is to emphasize the now printed use of Kevlar, as to help us customers understand the difference and make the right choice selecting the last PS90.....but I doubt to death about it
 
How about you guys just send me $80 so i can buy a used 2012 PS90 off of the auction site. I'll even offer to cut it all up and settle this once and for all. I've worked in the composite industry for years so I won't be looking for yellow, purple, pink or whatever rainbow fibers. I'll figure out if there's kevlar once i see inside the cross section...
 
Sorry to intervene, but we do have a problem here...

That guy, Bobby Jr, has entered a crusade few days ago and in each every thread being the broken record about the Kevlar thing. I am also pretty sure that he's copy-paste the exact words he use in his posts.

I dont know why and who is trying -desperately- to convince by his preaching, but I feel -at least- annoyed.
If you're annoyed ignore my posts. My crusade is not a crusade - it's a dispelling of a long-held myth which was never backed up by anything other than years of Breakpoint pretending to know the facts. As it turns out Wilson know more about their own frames than he does.

He pretends he holds the only and precious truth...by some...representatives?...engineers?...stuff from Wilson anyway...that...replied officially to him...and revealed the secret truth...and because he says so...it's confirmed now...
Not confirmed - clarified. They did so because I asked specifically about the misconceptions people have held - including retailers.

Also, I don't pretend to hold any precious truth. I HOLD the truth - direct from the horse's mouth and so-far the best debunking anyone has attempted are tired, sad examples which are entirely unreliable by their own previously argued standards.
 
If you're annoyed ignore my posts. My crusade is not a crusade - it's a dispelling of a long-held myth which was never backed up by anything other than years of Breakpoint pretending to know the facts. As it turns out Wilson know more about their own frames than he does.


Not confirmed - clarified. They did so because I asked specifically about the misconceptions people have held - including retailers.

Also, I don't pretend to hold any precious truth. I HOLD the truth - direct from the horse's mouth and so-far the best debunking anyone has attempted are tired, sad examples which are entirely unreliable by their own previously argued standards.

We have NOT seen Wilson post on this board about the existence of Kevlar in Tour 90s. If they have, I apologize as I have not yet seen it. Please post a link to the post in which Wilson themselves directly posted on this board regarding Kevlar. Thank you.
 
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That's the one. Indeed. And to be more specific, this is a 2013 model, not a 2012, but it's essentially the exact same racquet. Just a different paintjob.

PS. you are not allowed to post other resellers links...keep in mind
 
Another question I've because I might buy a second PS 90
It is a 2012 BLX 6.1, but it's 319g unstrung. Is that correct?
 
That's the one. Indeed. And to be more specific, this is a 2013 model, not a 2012, but it's essentially the exact same racquet. Just a different paintjob.

PS. you are not allowed to post other resellers links...keep in mind

What's the difference in paintjob? They look exactly the same to me from google image search, including the ones federer is holding.

I'll edit my post, to remove the link, sorry
 
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