Is there anybody here . . .

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by TheFifthSet, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. TheFifthSet

    TheFifthSet Hall of Fame

    Jul 6, 2009
    . . . that seriously doubts that Ivo Karlovic has the best serve on tour? If so, I'd like to hear why as I find it a bit strange. What I find pretty convincing is his % of service games won vs. great returners:

    Davydenko: 90%, three matches played
    Federer: 93%, ten matches played (most of them before the emergence of ********).
    Djokovic: 91%, two matches played
    Nalbandian: 87%, two matches played
    Murray: 77%, three matches played (I'd say this is a bit of an aberration)
    Nadal: 91%, two matches played
    Ferrer: 90%, one match played
    Hewitt: 90%, four matches played
    Agassi: 96%, one match played at the 2005 US Open (granted this was in 2005 but still, Agassi would go on to make the final so he obviously had some game, and was still a damn good returner).
    Del Potro: 100%, one match played
    Verdasco: 94%, four matches played

    So those eleven players have broken Karlovic 42/438 times, or 9.6% of the time. If you take Murray out of there, it's an 8.2% rate.

    He also has a 93% of service games won vs. Roddick and Soderling in 10 matches, although Roddick obviously doesn't have a great return and Soderling doesn't have the best defensive return.

    With all of this being said, it surprises me that some people may doubt that Karlovic has the best serve in the game.
  2. namelessone

    namelessone Legend

    Jul 26, 2009
    I don't think such people exist and if they do they should check their eyes. Karlovic has just the serve and he makes damn good use of it. While other tall guys have other weapons and some mobility(delpo,cilic,soderling and so on) karlovic is the guy for which the expression tree tops was invented in tennis.

    From that height all angles are accesible to him and it's like being in front of the firing squad,that's why he is so frustrating to play against,watching balls whiz by all day long. I remember he beat Fed and Fed didn't get broken. He almost beat Nadal in Queens and the scoreline was 6-7,7-6,7-6 and Nadal walked all day long between the lines trying to put a racket on Karlovic's fast serves.

    For me he is truly the best server out there right now but he does have a somewhat unfair advantage because of his height but in the end it all evens out when we talk about his **** poor ground game.
  3. chanee

    chanee Banned

    Dec 11, 2009
    As i have already mentioned in another thread, Karlovic has the most effective serve out there. His height of course has a significant part to play in this. If Roddick was 6ft 10in then his serve would be far more difficult to return.
  4. TheFifthSet

    TheFifthSet Hall of Fame

    Jul 6, 2009
    Well obviously it would make a big difference. But still, Karlovic's ground game is so much poorer than Roddick's yet he still usually wins 93% of his service games, Roddick about 90-91% of his. Pretty big difference, and the disparity in ground games I would say comes close to making up for the height differential.

    You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't buy this whole "inch-for-inch" serve comparison. Physical features factor in just about everything in tennis. Rochus is 5'5 and yet has served 120+ before, so if you were to give him 8 inches his serve would be huge. But it's like saying that Sampras had more stamina than just about every tennis player if you forget about the fact that he had thalasemmia minor, it's pretty pointless.
  5. Anaconda

    Anaconda Hall of Fame

    Oct 26, 2009
    Only morons think Karlovic doesn't have the best serve on tour.

    Give Roddick,Federer or anyone Karlovic's groundstrokes and see if they hold at 90%.

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