user92626
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I'll put ballmachineguy's promise on the same list with peoplespeace's awesomest foolsproof program for reaching Davis Cup in 2 years.
I'm excited. Lots of us gonna be touring pro's. This place gonna be so empty.
Is there specific technique for dropping the racket in FH, BH STROKES?
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socallefty
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Bend your back knee more and your racquet will drop - I promise, just try it.
user92626
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Good advice.
I wonder why we don't bend our knees more during hitting.
One technical question for you and others,
When you bend your back knee, where do you point your toe at? More to the side fence or the net pole or even past the net pole and more toward the net? Which position is better/natural for knee bending and unloading?
socallefty
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Coached players bend their knees because it is a basic fundamental to help coil and start the swing low. Self-coached players don’t because it is easier for them to play tennis upright which is violating a basic fundamental. Sounds like you need much more basic fundamentals taught to you first.
How do you stop and pivot when you get to the ball? You should be stopping with your back foot planted first typically with toe facing the side fence or even further back and preferably heel up so that you can coil/uncoil your body/hips easier.
You can’t be getting into more minor nuances of swing patterns before having the lower body fundamentals right. There is another poster on here who tries to play tennis without bending knees and then forever wonders why he can’t drop his racquet into the slot. Get thee to a live coach fast. Real coaches build a player’s fundamentals from the ground up which then makes it easy to learn the proper swing paths.
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user92626
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I don't think I will ever get enough fundamentals or even if I get them all, there's question over quality!
I used to bend and get bouncy alot during initial years and then I got minor knee injuries. The FH side knee where I pivoted pronouncedly .
Aside from being dumb, sometimes our body's just smart and automatically knows to avoid injurious actions so I think that's how I stopped big knee bending.
socallefty
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You probably needed to change your shoes more often or change to a different shoe model than stop bending your knee to play tennis. Read my PSA thread.
HapticRyco
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Yes, one simple instruction: #DropToSlot
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while holding your racquet, trace a figure 8 just moving your wrist.... allow your palm to face up/down as you go through motion...
HapticRyco
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funny yes, interesting no.
Both rec-coaches 'teach' Vic Braden old school, 'classic' C shape swing. TPA guy, Tom, even has a continental grip, thus #fullpackage
Bonus: hips sway, all the way.And you add Nole's ModernFH and Ben's NextGenFH 'flips' into the mix?!
Dude, u for real?!
HapticRyco
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So you say it's intuitiv and natural? Maybe for some kids with great firing 'mirror neurons', not so sure for rec-adults.
How would you switch a 16yo junior from a WTA FH to a Modern/NextGenFH?
I assume is not as simple as "take the racket back and drive the hitting shoulder once it starts dropping, that’s it", no?
Or maybe it is.
user92626
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Frankly i only became aware of this aspect recently. It seems significant for me.funny yes, interesting no.
Both rec-coaches 'teach' Vic Braden old school, 'classic' C shape swing. TPA guy, Tom, even has a continental grip, thus #fullpackage
And you add Nole's ModernFH and Ben's NextGenFH 'flips' into the mix?!
Dude, u for real?!
I have sorted out this part and am doing ok w. my FH today.
HapticRyco
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Yes, you asked for it!That's right!
Provise a great pro s vid along with explanations etc .. that's how we learn. At least for me. Yes?
3 vids, 6 minutes total. Supinate, pronate, Ext-Int rotate. Why&How. It works on serve, too. Go for it. Just do it!
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ballmachineguy
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I only described it that way to make it sound more complicated for credibility purposes. It’s actually easier. Give me the 16 yo and 10 minutes. Voila!
HapticRyco
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Too late, she went to a former ATP #13 coach who took a WTA #2 to #1 in 1.5 months
I was shocked to see her hit #NextGen-ish FH after 9 mths, in competition. Mind you, the coach is 50yo, playing almost straight-arm FH & 1HBH. I still do not believe he did it. Not #NextGen, how could he?!
WTA FH (Head)
NextGenFH (Tecnifibre, ofc)
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i had to look that up
thx for teaching me...but don't we use both "naturally" when learning? and i always thought we uniquely gravitate to particular types of learning?
also seems related to these types of classifications of learner {visual, auditory, tactile}, where visual & auditory seem like examples of "external focus of attention" and tactile an example of "internal focus of attention"
i find i use all three when learning (visual - copy "fed fh", auditory - how the ball sounds off my strings, tactile various sensations i feel (eg. loose grip, free falling hand, pressure on my right foot as i pulse and fire my hip, the feel of the inside of my index finger to indicate accel through contact, etc...
Maybe read more than 30 seconds as it is important. Also the stuff you're talking about (visual, auditory, etc) has largely been debunked as turns out we're not all unique snowflakes.
External FOA is really easy to apply in tennis. But here you are talking about what your wrist should be doing...
External FOA is really easy to apply in tennis. But here you are talking about what your wrist should be doing...
was teaching a beginner lesson yesterday, and thinking about this post...
IMO it's not that important to teach "racquet drop"... (in the past when i pointed out "racquet drop" i tended to get an artificial wrist twist/layback with a firm grip)
more important to focus on body weight xfer, then experiement with how & when you are loose with the grip, and the timing of when you loose&squeeze the grip
after ask @gasAI... found this.. https://www.mattspoint.com/blog/pay-attention-external-vs-internal-focus-instructions-in-tennis
given the chart at the end, i def use both internal & external, and lean heavily toward using external to teach (especially kids who don't understand internal cues anyway
), but use a mix of both internal/external for my own education, which probably explains why i suck...
user92626
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I believe that at one point or another a coach needs to explain just about every aspect to his students so that they would have a total understanding. This isn't necessary about what they need to focus on during a fast action hitting, but it's just a thorough explanation.
I wish I had someone that answered me everything and fast when I first started out instead of self-discovering piece by piece. Would have saved me a lot of time.
Ooof... you're not very good at this teaching thing.
HapticRyco
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Yes, both are used, except in 'Inner Game of ... everything'i had to look that up
but don't we use both "naturally" when learning?
Related. Locus of: attention, control, attribution.
socallefty
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What will happen if a coach tells you to have your racquet tip above your hand during the takeback and then get the hitting hand below the ball before you start your forward swing? If you do it a few times in drills, will you get the hang of the OP’s question of dropping the racquet for groundstrokes? Maybe a player will experiment on his own with bending his knees, dropping the racquet tip very low etc. till he figures out what works best for him.
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