Is this 2024 the worst season of the former next-generation since 2019?

Is this 2024 the worst season of the former next-generation since 2019?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 50.0%
  • No

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • Hard to say

    Votes: 6 25.0%

  • Total voters
    24

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
Tsitsipas, triumph in Monte Carlo is the exception that confirms the rule of a year relegated to the margins, increasingly in crisis with his own identity. Outside the top 10, and barring sensational surprises, after a terrible time he will not be able to qualify for the finals at the end of the year.

Rublev, in turn, risks finishing the season outside the top 10. Russo who once made consistency at medium-high levels his strong point, has now lost that too, and we have seen him lose this year several times against players ranked very low in the rankings. In the overall slams practically not arrived, once his run stopped in the qf, now even this goal is becoming a dangerous taboo for him. Victory in Madrid (the result of astral conjunctions) and final in Montreal, rather isolated events within a definitely negative season.

Medvedev, always very consistent but has not yet won a tournament in 2024 (and has not won it since Rome 2023). He remains the most solid player of his generation, but the impression is that Sinneraz (1-5 this season) has invested in his game and soul.

Berrettini, three 250 tournaments brought home, the impression is that when he can play consistently without having to live with various ailments he is not that far from his solid 2019-22 version, the problem is that due to his now chronic fragility he struggles to find consistency, which is obviously also reflected in his ranking. He has already recovered about 100 positions from April to today, but it is always in terms of ranking relegated to the margins of tennis that "counts".

Zverev, certainly the one who has played the best season of all of them so far. He has brought home a masters 1000, a slam final and another one he almost reached, in general very consistent in the 4 majors. But the definitive leap in quality that was expected from him since 2018 has not yet arrived and probably will never arrive.

So for me the answer is absolutely yes, it is the worst year from 2019 to today of their generation, but by far.

What the hell is happening to the former next-gen?
 

Jonas78

Legend
As expected imo.

These players were always highly overrated because of weak competition other than Djokodal.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Glad to see some final vindication after years of certain fans defending these players and insisting that there was nothing wrong with that generation compared to previous ones.
Nolefams never said this era is not weak. We said this is weak and Fed era was weak.

It's fedfans who first said there was no weak era and later said nole second era was weak

At least nole had 1 strong era unlike Fed who is also turning bald.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
I speak for sane nolefams

Where are fedfans who resisted weak era in 2000s do you speak for those like tmf

Talk now or hold your peace
TMF is an idiot but only 2002 and 2006 (maybe 2000) were genuinely weak years in the 2000’s. Most were middling, and a few like 2005 and 2007 were actually on the stronger side.

And even if 2006 was a weak year, the presence of a strong Nadal on clay is enough to push it over every year going back to 2016.

So that leaves 2002 as the only year comparable to something like 2016-now. Thankfully 2024 is starting to show signs of a renewal with Alcaraz and Sinner finally taking the reins, but it has taken a long time for that to happen.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
TMF is an idiot but only 2002 and 2006 (maybe 2000) were genuinely weak years in the 2000’s. Most were middling, and a few like 2005 and 2007 were actually on the stronger side.

And even if 2006 was a weak year, the presence of a strong Nadal on clay is enough to push it over every year going back to 2016.

So that leaves 2002 as the only year comparable to something like 2016-now. Thankfully 2024 is starting to show signs of a renewal with Alcaraz and Sinner finally taking the reins, but it has taken a long time for that to happen.
And only between 2020 to 2022 were weak eras for nole.

2017 is not nole's years anyway. That was weak as hell where fedal snapped 4 slams
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
And only between 2020 to 2022 were weak eras for nole.

2017 is not nole's years anyway. That was weak as hell where fedal snapped 4 slams
Why wouldn’t 2018, 2019, and 2023 qualify?

2018 had a strong Wimbledon but the US Open was very weak. AO and RG kinda bad too.

2019 was probably the best of the 2017-2023 period but it was still marred by relatively weak Slams, especially the AO. Couple of five-set finals but those weren’t particularly good five-setters.

2023 was weak at literally every Slam. Each one of those Slam finals except maybe, just maybe, Wimbledon was a no-show from the loser.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Why wouldn’t 2018, 2019, and 2023 qualify?

2018 had a strong Wimbledon but the US Open was very weak. AO and RG kinda bad too.

2019 was probably the best of the 2017-2023 period but it was still marred by relatively weak Slams, especially the AO. Couple of five-set finals but those weren’t particularly good five-setters.

2023 was weak at literally every Slam. Each one of those Slam finals except maybe, just maybe, Wimbledon was a no-show from the loser.
2019 is no brainer strong year


2018 also I can give you. Honestly tennis was reaching lowest barrel of quality during that 2017/18 period.
 

Jonas78

Legend
Why wouldn’t 2018, 2019, and 2023 qualify?

2018 had a strong Wimbledon but the US Open was very weak. AO and RG kinda bad too.

2019 was probably the best of the 2017-2023 period but it was still marred by relatively weak Slams, especially the AO. Couple of five-set finals but those weren’t particularly good five-setters.

2023 was weak at literally every Slam. Each one of those Slam finals except maybe, just maybe, Wimbledon was a no-show from the loser.
Main problem with 2017 and on is that you had no ATG in their 20s chasing the older guys. Its 14 and 16 years between Nole & Sincaraz. It was a long stretch between Sampras/Agassi and Federer as well, but 14/16 years is unprecedented.

Im not even saying Djokovic wouldn’t win as much as he has, he could probably have handled tougher oppostion. But it was weak
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Main problem with 2017 and on is that you had no ATG in their 20s chasing the older guys. Its 14 and 16 years between Nole & Sincaraz. It was a long stretch between Sampras/Agassi and Federer as well, but 14/16 years is unprecedented.

Im not even saying Djokovic wouldn’t win as much as he has, he could probably have handled tougher oppostion. But it was weak
Yes, but he wouldn't have won 12 slams in his 30's while doing so.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Without looking in detail at their results it sure feels like it. But they're not NEXT anymore. A bunch of them are barely even NOW anymore (till the great age shift of recent times, 27/28 year old guys were on their way out of the limelight), so it makes sense that it should be the case in this year when Alcaraz and Sinner established themselves as tip top of the tree.
 

Feli18

New User
Finally a correct assessment. Djokovic farming this gen can now be definitely seen. This is why Djokovic won so much in his 30s. Because they suck.

Djokovic not fighting for slams anymore won’t make them any better than what they are. Massively overrated by many.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru

Feli18

New User
Great age shift. Primes are now in the thirties.

I’m going to be honest with you, I don’t see these mugs being any better at 32.

I’m don’t really agree with the premise itself, but regardless, do you really see this gen doing anything in their thirties?
 

Neptune

Hall of Fame
lol, how much time do they need? They already served Djokovic the records on a silver platter, what else do we want from them?

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See who served the GOAT best in goat era, among next gen only Med hardly made top10. :cool:
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
I’m going to be honest with you, I don’t see these mugs being any better at 32.

I’m don’t really agree with the premise itself, but regardless, do you really see this gen doing anything in their thirties?
No I do not. I just constantly see people always saying how young they are or used to say that.

I have learned, that being young does not mean you will figure it out. As most did not. Sinner is really the only one that turned it around after being deemed a mug too early.
 

Sputnik Bulgorov

Professional
Nolefams never said this era is not weak. We said this is weak and Fed era was weak.

It's fedfans who first said there was no weak era and later said nole second era was weak

At least nole had 1 strong era unlike Fed who is also turning bald.
2003 to 2006 was weak but 2007 was a step up. The thing is there are varying levels of weakness, and 2017 to 2023 are in a league of its own. 2017 to 2019 were just moderately weak as at least slam winners still faced at least one tough opponent for the most part with exceptions such as Wimbledon 2017, AO 2018 and USO 2017 to 2019, but 2020 to 2023 were complete trash where Novak could sleepwalk to slam finals after facing guys like Shapovalov, Norrie, Shelton and Paul in the SFs and outright wins 2 slams while carrying injuries. The finals opponents were no better with opponents like Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Berrettini, Ruud and Kyrgios. The only strong slam wins Novak had during this period was the FO 2021 and 2023.
 
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Neptune

Hall of Fame
Fed 04-09 is weaker than Nole 18-23, if you have 1% vs top5 and 2% vs top10, then even the strongest era has nothing to do with you.

Prime​
vs Top5​
T5 Weight​
vs Top10​
T10 Weight​
vs T11+​
T11+ Weight​
vs All​
Opp Rank​
Opp Elo​
Nole 11-16
91 (66-25) 72.53%
19.08%
174 (140-34) 80.46%
36.48%
303 (287-16) 94.72%
63.52%
477 (427-50) 89.52%
18
2086
Fed 04-09​
67 (44-23) 65.67%​
13.59%​
121 (91-30) 75.21%​
24.54%​
372 (351-21) 94.35%​
75.46%​
493 (442-51) 89.66%​
26​
2017​
Nole 18-23​
54 (37-17) 68.52%​
15.25%​
102 (76-26) 74.51%​
28.81%​
252 (228-24) 90.48%​
71.19%​
354 (304-50) 85.88%​
23​
2045​
Lendl 84-89​
74 (52-22) 70.27%​
15.81%​
116 (83-33) 71.55%​
24.79%​
352 (333-19) 94.60%​
75.21%​
468 (416-52) 88.89%​
27​
2014​
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Nobody says W17 and AO18 wasnt weak, but so was 2017 and on in general. Nadal gave some opposition at FO, but the 90s gen has been a generation of Gatekeepers.
When you say ON I say stop right there. Don't move.

Wimbledon 2018 was freaking goat level tournament with huge number of great matches
 

Jonas78

Legend
When you say ON I say stop right there. Don't move.

Wimbledon 2018 was freaking goat level tournament with huge number of great matches
I said in general, a few of the slams were good. But I stand by my point, there should have been a couple of hungry ATGs in their 20s chasing...

90s gen is the Gatekeeper gen.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
I said in general, a few of the slams were good. But I stand by my point, there should have been a couple of hungry ATGs in their 20s chasing...

90s gen is the Gatekeeper gen.
And there weren't

I am not going to waste life crying about that when my favorite player went through hell in his 20s. Possibly among the strongest era and definitely strongest era in last 35+ years.

Sampras era was mediocre compared to nole's 20s.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Fed 04-09 is weaker than Nole 18-23, if you have 1% vs top5 and 2% vs top10, then even the strongest era has nothing to do with you.

Prime​
vs Top5​
T5 Weight​
vs Top10​
T10 Weight​
vs T11+​
T11+ Weight​
vs All​
Opp Rank​
Opp Elo​
Nole 11-16
91 (66-25) 72.53%
19.08%
174 (140-34) 80.46%
36.48%
303 (287-16) 94.72%
63.52%
477 (427-50) 89.52%
18
2086
Fed 04-09​
67 (44-23) 65.67%​
13.59%​
121 (91-30) 75.21%​
24.54%​
372 (351-21) 94.35%​
75.46%​
493 (442-51) 89.66%​
26​
2017​
Nole 18-23​
54 (37-17) 68.52%​
15.25%​
102 (76-26) 74.51%​
28.81%​
252 (228-24) 90.48%​
71.19%​
354 (304-50) 85.88%​
23​
2045​
Lendl 84-89​
74 (52-22) 70.27%​
15.81%​
116 (83-33) 71.55%​
24.79%​
352 (333-19) 94.60%​
75.21%​
468 (416-52) 88.89%​
27​
2014​
Nice try.
 

Jonas78

Legend
And there weren't

I am not going to waste life crying about that when my favorite player went through hell in his 20s. Possibly among the strongest era and definitely strongest era in last 35+ years.

Sampras era was mediocre compared to nole's 20s.
Especially 2008-2012 were great. Noles 2011 was insane. 2012 was the last year Big3 played at a very high level at the same time. 2013 Fed was tragic, 2014-2016 Nadal was MIA, then Djokovic got injured. At the same time, the lack of younger great players got more and more obvious.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Especially 2008-2012 were great. Noles 2011 was insane. 2012 was the last year Big3 played at a very high level at the same time. 2013 Fed was tragic, 2014-2016 Nadal was MIA, then Djokovic got injured. At the same time, the lack of younger great players got more and more obvious.
2013 was legendary with rise of wawrinka and delpo playing near his best. Fed losing form is not sufficient.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
2004 and 2005 were relatively weak, just not to the level that we see now
Now as in 2024 the game has changed. You have sineraz at the top winning 4 slams 3 masters (maybe more by end of the year). Both are sureshot atg. Carlos is probably going to break most records.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
Boom

Every non Nadal fan knew he was not goat even for 1 minute. Ignore members like @Hitman who say slam wins is everything.

Not all slams wins are the same and tennis is far bigger than just slam wins.
I agree. We can look at 2023 AO, RG, USO with atp 250 level draws and assign them as 0.1 of a slam. Same for Wimbledon 21/22. Need to weight slams accordingly.
 
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