Is this NTRP 4.0 Men Singles
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How do you think Medvedev would be rated here on a video like this? especially based on his pretty FH?
There are some pro players that can hardly hit a BH, well, compared to their pro fellows. So, you could ridiculize their BH based on what you see.
Yet, I think they'd destroy 99% of players on this board with their BH alone, even if they were forced to hit run around BH
For the ranking, it doesn't matter how nice or ugly a technical element is, it only matters what results you can achieve and at what level you are competitive.
sovertennis
Professional
If he wins about half is USTA league 4.0-level matches, then he is a 4.0. That is the only determinant I'm aware of. How his strokes may appear to the OP, or anyone else, is irrelevant.
Purestriker
Legend
Low end 4.0, but more like a 3.5 pusher. That back hand is rough. More importantly, the guy on the other court in the green shirt is struggling.
Purestriker
Legend
Correct. Great form does not always equal a higher rating. I have seen players with amazing groundstrokes that can't construct points or close matches.
CT-Topspin
Rookie
Another thing that I've noticed is that match-up can screw with our perception of USTA ratings. I've seen decent 3.5s give solid 4.0 players trouble just because they had a playstyle the other person struggled with.
Given this players generally lethargic energy, I'd say anyone that could move him around the court would be successful. It did not seem like his opponent was doing this enough.
Given this players generally lethargic energy, I'd say anyone that could move him around the court would be successful. It did not seem like his opponent was doing this enough.
WildVolley
Legend
In the past, I played league a number of years on a 4.0 team that went to sectionals multiple times. I see nothing about this to suggest this isn't a 4.0 league or tournament set.
FiddlerDog
Hall of Fame
This is the classic 3.5, in my area.
Hits 150mph forehands, every time.
Can't keep 2 balls in a row, in play.
FiddlerDog
Hall of Fame
Black shirt is a classic 3.5 when he crushes his approach shot into the back curtain.
3.5 players hit as hard as they can on every ball.
That crazy slice BH pass shows years of hackery paying off.
Well done. Great hands. That is textbook 4.0 backhand junker.
Use of defensive slice at :58 is 4.0 level.
A 3.5 would try to crush a winner from his back heels.
Movement and footwork is 3.5
1:06
Serve return is blocked back like a 4.0
A 3.5 would try to crush serve returns down the line for winner, every time.
Also, no split step for serve return is ATP level.
1:51 Nice racket speed on 2nd serve. That is a toss up.
3.5 crushes 2nd serves for DF, and many 4.0 dink serve the 2nd serve.
1:56, you hit wide, and do not move forward. Classic 3.0 and 3.5
4.0 would most forward when hitting into the corner.
Your net clearance at last rally is 4.0
Your recovery to center is also 4.0
In all, I love your game, and would love hitting with a guy like you.
Thanks for posting and join a local league this year!!
3.5 players hit as hard as they can on every ball.
That crazy slice BH pass shows years of hackery paying off.
Well done. Great hands. That is textbook 4.0 backhand junker.
Use of defensive slice at :58 is 4.0 level.
A 3.5 would try to crush a winner from his back heels.
Movement and footwork is 3.5
1:06
Serve return is blocked back like a 4.0
A 3.5 would try to crush serve returns down the line for winner, every time.
Also, no split step for serve return is ATP level.
1:51 Nice racket speed on 2nd serve. That is a toss up.
3.5 crushes 2nd serves for DF, and many 4.0 dink serve the 2nd serve.
1:56, you hit wide, and do not move forward. Classic 3.0 and 3.5
4.0 would most forward when hitting into the corner.
Your net clearance at last rally is 4.0
Your recovery to center is also 4.0
In all, I love your game, and would love hitting with a guy like you.
Thanks for posting and join a local league this year!!
FiddlerDog
Hall of Fame
That's because he hits too hard to allow black to easily dictate.
CT-Topspin
Rookie
I didn't see a ton of defense from him that would indicate this to be the case. He may also not have the control on his shots to consistently aim for the open court
EggSalad
Hall of Fame
3.5 was my thought but he has better consistency than some of the 3.5s I’ve seen which made me think low level pusher 4.0.
He probably beats most 3.5s with consistency and loses to 4.0s because his movement is really poor.
vex
Legend
This
WildVolley
Legend
Does he play USTA and have a computer rating?
Ace of Aces
Semi-Pro
The dude in black has a really nice one hander
jctpm
New User
No, he does not play USTA. Once the weather warms up, he does intend to play some UTR Flex League which should get him rated amongst locals.
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Waiter's Tray serve. Forehand, not much uppermost body turn, uses shoulder joint too much. I don't evaluate two hand backhands.
Some of my 4.0 players were strong at singles. Some had form that looked very good by my eye then, but I was not evaluating or videoing them when I last played.
Here I just look at some technique issues. I don't know the % of Waiter's Tray serves at 4.0.
3.5
Some of my 4.0 players were strong at singles. Some had form that looked very good by my eye then, but I was not evaluating or videoing them when I last played.
Here I just look at some technique issues. I don't know the % of Waiter's Tray serves at 4.0.
3.5
jctpm
New User
He has been struggling with TE for a long time. Already playing with Clash and X1 Biphase. What else can he do ?
megamind
Legend
Curtennis
Hall of Fame
I'm in Philly and I think either guy would have a tough run for their money at 3.5. Green shirt is serving so weak, that I think most 4.0s would simply run him around to death on his own serve. Different regions have different skill levels for USTA for sure. Where is this one located?
Volley at 2:08 is very telling. That should have been an immediate put away, or at least anything other than what it was. This is fun recreational tennis for sure, but I think 4.0s around here aren't letting balls like that get away.
Volley at 2:08 is very telling. That should have been an immediate put away, or at least anything other than what it was. This is fun recreational tennis for sure, but I think 4.0s around here aren't letting balls like that get away.
jctpm
New User
This is located in NYC. I feel he would have a tough time in 3.5 USTA. There are alot of people sandbagging and playing down in league play.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
Megamind is on the right track I would also add stretching religious stretching and then get a baseball and rub the crap out of the forearm massage it like crazy do that all the time.
Also keep it warm particularly at night you want to keep the blood flowing. Get like a neoprene sleeve not one that’s going to restrict blood flow but one that you can rap. They make products called Thigh wraps. They are neoprene and you can adjust the tension Wrap his arm up at night and sleep it will keep it warm.
Also there are sleeves like Raonic would wear, or NBA players.
Best thing would be to run around every backhand ever
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Accurate would be what rating he earned. Simple as that. You can put whatever rating you want based on looks, but until he is playing and beating rated 4.0 players, it is just speculation. Flex will not get him a rating either, and player's self-ratings there are kinda subject. If he does play a USTA rated 4.0 and wins, that is at least a good point for discussion.
Keep swinging and post up some official matches to see how it goes.
2nd-srv-ace
New User
Computer rating is based on match results, not on your your technique/style of play. This also depends on your area's pool of players, if you happen to beat most of the players in your area, then you will be higher rated.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
Can you guys analyze and tell what mistakes the green shirt guy have on his FH? Or, is this kinda the best FH a typical rec player can acquire?
This is a 3.0 forehand. It has a hitch. Poor use of kinetic chain (almost all arm). Late contact - hitting shoulder is too far back at contact.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Alas lol
How would you rate Meddy if you saw him in a similar environment?
Del Po, Fed and Rafa have some really good forehands, that bring them plenty of points
go check how many winners he scored in the AO final vs Rafa from FH and how many from BH
go check where Rafa was targeting his drop shots, to the BH or to the FH
this list could go infinite
it's easy to explain why the player #2 has good FH, but that was not the point of my message
my point was, take Meddy in a crowded indoor hall, post the video here, and see how he will be rated by TT experts
TennisDawg
Hall of Fame
Medvedev is in this conversation? PleaseHow do you think Medvedev would be rated here on a video like this? especially based on his pretty FH?
There are some pro players that can hardly hit a BH, well, compared to their pro fellows. So, you could ridiculize their BH based on what you see.
Yet, I think they'd destroy 99% of players on this board with their BH alone, even if they were forced to hit run around BH
For the ranking, it doesn't matter how nice or ugly a technical element is, it only matters what results you can achieve and at what level you are competitive.
TennisDawg
Hall of Fame
And it doesn’t matter that it’s not Federish. He can blow players off the court with it.
TennisDawg
Hall of Fame
Depends on his computer ranking. Does he win a good amount of 4.0 matches? It’s not pretty tennis but if you were playing him you still have to execute your shots right? He probably doesn’t beat himself. Yeah he may well be a 4.0.
OldManStan
Rookie
3.5 from what I see in the video. Could easily be 4.0 with better footwork.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
I start to think the fh technique is alot more forgiving or fundamentally loose as demonstrated by the pro's than this TT board gives it! In other words the TT hacks are making life more difficult than it really is!!!!!!!
If you pay closer attention you'll notice there's alot of variety of pro's FHs. There's NO TWO same height, same shape take back, same C, U, V-shape swing but they hit just fine.
After a certain point, I think the pros start to focus on footwork, set-ups, mental concentration and especially stamina. Look at Nadal vs Medv.
Both could crank out shots after shots virtually on equal footing but Nadal, having much a longer experience with the slams, eventually was able to accumulate enough difference to prevail. In other words, Nadal concentrated better on key points and had better stamina.
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