Is this sour grapes from fed??
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Agreed. Federer is one the most pissy, bitter players i've ever seen when he loses, and his overt hatred of Djokovic is pathetic. Everyone loses a match--nothing is a guarantee. He had every chance to take that match, but Djokovic used his survival instincts well at the right moment (some call it taking a chance) and it paid off. Is that a crime--or Federer is pissed that the man he hates so much put the final nail into his year of not winning a major.
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DragonBlaze
Hall of Fame
Let's get one thing clear, Fed can be a sore loser, and even here probably was. Heck, I don't even understand what he is trying to say with the hard work crap, it's such a tangent out of nowhere. My opinion is that he was supremely frustrated with himself and he still gave Djokovic credit, he said he just played too well in the 3rd and 4th sets. That is enough for me, certainly he has had much better press conferences since he started losing more regularly.
Laver is the man so I do not doubt it. Sampras had his moments as well but yes he was less of a sore loser than Fed sure. To be honest I have not followed the game for that long as I'm sure you have so I can not make much of a comment on those past champions. I have noticed Federer gives all the credit in the world to players he likes - Tsonga, Delpo, Nadal (after 2006), even Soderling but not to player he dislikes - Berdych, Djokovic.
Really I can only comment on today's champions, and Nadal and Djokovic and the rest have all had bad comments especially when they lose to players they don't like.
Look I perfectly understand what you mean, but I'm sorry, one of the hardest things in life is to be able to maintain perspective at all times. By this way of thinking, one should never get frustrated at all in life since there are most likely people always in a much worse off position than we are. That is ideal but hardly realistic. I just I mean if you can do it, fantastic, but I'm telling you most people cannot do that at all times.
If today I was to get a bad mark for a test I work really really hard for, and that was because I made a few silly mistakes (misread the question), I can tell you right now I would be mighty pissed off. All that work would have gone down the drain for nothing, all that effort wasted. I would be frustrated and sad. OFCOURSE I would get over it when given time I can reflect upon the fact that it was only a test. That indeed there are billions of starving people in this world and I am lucky to even be in a position that I am getting to sit a test. Only then will I think rationally.
To be human is to be irrational. To be human is to feel emotion at the smallest most insignificant thing. Ofcourse, a day or two later Federer will gain that perspective and think rationally. Look at his views on the Wimbledon 08 straight after the match and then later on. Now he himself mentions that it was amazing just being part of such a great match. Infact, Federer probably gains perspective faster than most other player including Nadal and Djokovic considering how easily he bounces back from these losses.
I am not telling anyone to feel sympathy for Federer, infact I'm not telling anyone to do anything, it's not like it matters to me! I just wish people would be more understanding and try not to judge someone's character over a few words in a press conference. All the judgement that gets thrown around here (towards all the players) is just sickening. When people do such things, for me, that is when they have failed at being a human being. Humans have an unfortunate habit of judging by face value (even I am guilty of it).
Failed as a human being? That's overly melodramatic. Firstly I myself disagree with the notion of sport stars being role models, but that's another issue. And let's not kid ourselves, it's nowhere near 30 minutes for Federer, it's more like 3 hours. Federer exposes himself to much more press since he does it in so many languages. You say people handle much worse things with more class and so did the past champions. Well do these people have a microphone shoved in their faces at their lowest moments for the whole world to hear? Again and again and again? Federer has been doing this for almost a decade now, so let's not compare apples and oranges. Also Laver and Sampras had nowhere near the amount of press Federer and Nadal and co have to deal with now. With more exposure, ofcourse you will pick up on more things. Furthermore did you see the questions that were asked of Federer? Brutal and cringeworthy. At one point Fed even said "I mean what, What do you want me to say?" or something like that.
What I'm trying to get across is, Federer IS gracious about 90% of the time even when he loses, it's just that other 10% which seems to get blown out of proportion especially due to the greater amount of press today. Does that 10% mean he has failed as a human being? Well I dare say that everybody fails at being this definition of "human" then (which sounds more like a robot to me).
Federer is all class on court, Rafa/Djokovic are questionable and the opposite is true off court. It balances out IMO. Do Djoker/Rafa fail a part of their profession and as a human being with their ball bouncing/extended break between points/pelvic thrusts? I certainly don't think so.
LOL Federer is not my "hero". What a strange word to use, come to think of it, I don't know if I have any "heroes". Perhaps my parents. Gandhi? Federer is just a tennis player whose game I enjoy the most, and a player I am emotionally invested in. Nothing more, nothing less.
No I am not close to any of them, but I have not heard of either being a straight up a**hole which is good enough for me. I am an optimist and like to believe most people are good, even the most ridiculous trolls on here, who I hope to god don't act in real life like they do on here. Anyways I have heard good stories about all of them, and for me that is enough. Here is a link for you to enjoy
Why Federer is an OK person
I do hope you reply to me, I ended up writing much more than I wanted to! Procrastination can be very annoying.
Laver is the man so I do not doubt it. Sampras had his moments as well but yes he was less of a sore loser than Fed sure. To be honest I have not followed the game for that long as I'm sure you have so I can not make much of a comment on those past champions. I have noticed Federer gives all the credit in the world to players he likes - Tsonga, Delpo, Nadal (after 2006), even Soderling but not to player he dislikes - Berdych, Djokovic.
Really I can only comment on today's champions, and Nadal and Djokovic and the rest have all had bad comments especially when they lose to players they don't like.
Look I perfectly understand what you mean, but I'm sorry, one of the hardest things in life is to be able to maintain perspective at all times. By this way of thinking, one should never get frustrated at all in life since there are most likely people always in a much worse off position than we are. That is ideal but hardly realistic. I just I mean if you can do it, fantastic, but I'm telling you most people cannot do that at all times.
If today I was to get a bad mark for a test I work really really hard for, and that was because I made a few silly mistakes (misread the question), I can tell you right now I would be mighty pissed off. All that work would have gone down the drain for nothing, all that effort wasted. I would be frustrated and sad. OFCOURSE I would get over it when given time I can reflect upon the fact that it was only a test. That indeed there are billions of starving people in this world and I am lucky to even be in a position that I am getting to sit a test. Only then will I think rationally.
To be human is to be irrational. To be human is to feel emotion at the smallest most insignificant thing. Ofcourse, a day or two later Federer will gain that perspective and think rationally. Look at his views on the Wimbledon 08 straight after the match and then later on. Now he himself mentions that it was amazing just being part of such a great match. Infact, Federer probably gains perspective faster than most other player including Nadal and Djokovic considering how easily he bounces back from these losses.
I am not telling anyone to feel sympathy for Federer, infact I'm not telling anyone to do anything, it's not like it matters to me! I just wish people would be more understanding and try not to judge someone's character over a few words in a press conference. All the judgement that gets thrown around here (towards all the players) is just sickening. When people do such things, for me, that is when they have failed at being a human being. Humans have an unfortunate habit of judging by face value (even I am guilty of it).
Failed as a human being? That's overly melodramatic. Firstly I myself disagree with the notion of sport stars being role models, but that's another issue. And let's not kid ourselves, it's nowhere near 30 minutes for Federer, it's more like 3 hours. Federer exposes himself to much more press since he does it in so many languages. You say people handle much worse things with more class and so did the past champions. Well do these people have a microphone shoved in their faces at their lowest moments for the whole world to hear? Again and again and again? Federer has been doing this for almost a decade now, so let's not compare apples and oranges. Also Laver and Sampras had nowhere near the amount of press Federer and Nadal and co have to deal with now. With more exposure, ofcourse you will pick up on more things. Furthermore did you see the questions that were asked of Federer? Brutal and cringeworthy. At one point Fed even said "I mean what, What do you want me to say?" or something like that.
What I'm trying to get across is, Federer IS gracious about 90% of the time even when he loses, it's just that other 10% which seems to get blown out of proportion especially due to the greater amount of press today. Does that 10% mean he has failed as a human being? Well I dare say that everybody fails at being this definition of "human" then (which sounds more like a robot to me).
Federer is all class on court, Rafa/Djokovic are questionable and the opposite is true off court. It balances out IMO. Do Djoker/Rafa fail a part of their profession and as a human being with their ball bouncing/extended break between points/pelvic thrusts? I certainly don't think so.
LOL Federer is not my "hero". What a strange word to use, come to think of it, I don't know if I have any "heroes". Perhaps my parents. Gandhi? Federer is just a tennis player whose game I enjoy the most, and a player I am emotionally invested in. Nothing more, nothing less.
No I am not close to any of them, but I have not heard of either being a straight up a**hole which is good enough for me. I am an optimist and like to believe most people are good, even the most ridiculous trolls on here, who I hope to god don't act in real life like they do on here. Anyways I have heard good stories about all of them, and for me that is enough. Here is a link for you to enjoy
Why Federer is an OK person
I do hope you reply to me, I ended up writing much more than I wanted to! Procrastination can be very annoying.
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marcub
Banned
No **** he was bitter you think? Are you for real people?!?
This is a carbon copy of the loss he took 1 year ago, dropping 2 match points... you should cut the guy some slack.
I bet 75% of the wise guys who blubber on this forum look like clowns trying to hit a serve or a forehand.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
It is not our fault that he keeps choking away matches. I thought this was the player that has all this class, ya he really shows his class when he loses.
one of the biggest sore losers ever. still love his game, but give other palyers some credit for kicking your ass already.. just once, goddamn it!
another fed choked match, not being able to come thru at key points.
Have to give the joker the world of credit for storming back from 0-2
lotta balls!
looking forward to the showdown tomorrow. Hope Rafa can overcome the mental block and give us a good show.
another fed choked match, not being able to come thru at key points.
Have to give the joker the world of credit for storming back from 0-2
lotta balls!
looking forward to the showdown tomorrow. Hope Rafa can overcome the mental block and give us a good show.
Obviously Fed is pissed off, bitter, frustrated and disappointed. Everyone that's ever played tennis would feel the same after that kind of a loss ..
That return by Djokovic was great, but he obviously just went for a ridiculous shot and was very lucky it landed in. He gets credit for having the balls to try it, but I doubt he even thought it would go in. He stood there, decided to smack the ball as hard as he could before Fed even served, and hoped for the best.
That return by Djokovic was great, but he obviously just went for a ridiculous shot and was very lucky it landed in. He gets credit for having the balls to try it, but I doubt he even thought it would go in. He stood there, decided to smack the ball as hard as he could before Fed even served, and hoped for the best.
Omega_7000
Legend
It is more important to show class on court by playing fair and not,
- wasting time by bouncing the ball 20 times
- picking your rear and wasting time on important points
- taking MTO's when down in a match
- making a scene to disrupt opponents momentum on match point
- retiring to discredit your opponents when losing
- getting illegal coaching from your team etc.
Showing fake class in the presser by making sugar coated comments is easy. Their true character comes out when they are down in a match and resort to these tactics.
Datacipher
Banned
Oh, I did not say at ALL TIMES, but you were talking about after losing a tennis match. There most certainly have been people who showed grace after losing all sporting events in their lives.
Right. It is human nature to have primal emotional reactions like that. The mark of a sportsman, and an evolved, classy person, is the ability to see things in perspective, and give credit to the opponent....or at least fake it! HAHA!
No, I disagree completely. When you are being PAID to perform publicly, as tennis players are when they play tennis, and when they do press conferences, the public is most certainly entitled to judge you. In fact, that is the VERY thing they are being paid for. If you can't show sportsmanship and class after a loss, I"m sorry but, you could and should be judged for it.
They ARE role models. Look at the legions of drooling fanboys/girls on this forum alone. I totally agree that they should NOT be...but they are. As such, I don't think it's a stretch at all to say you are failing in a basic human duty....to be a role model to younger members of the species...this is particularly so, when you are a paid performer, idolized by kids around the world, making a paid public appearance, as Fed was at this press conference.
Come on....you're not being serious here I hope. You sound like a bright fellow....I don't care if it's 30 hours of interviews.
Yes. The past champions did. People with terminal disease (my other example) do not generally, but the magntitude of what they face.....wow...it's actually an uncomfortable example, because even using it as a contrast to Federer trivializes what those "regular" people must face.
This is not correct... I...don't know where to start....
First of all Laver's slam was being followed around the world, he had to do plenty of press, of course the media technology was different then, so I'm willing to say that their experience differs a lot, although the essence of sportsmanship is exactly the same, Fed's passive aggressive snipes would come across no better then. But more astonishing is your Sampras comment....what are you THINKING??! LOL! :-O
Actually, in many ways, one could argue that players like Mcenroe, Connors, and Borg had more pressure, as they garnered much more mainstream sports, celebrity, and general news attention than any of the players do today.
Sorry, they questions have always been like that. They are cringeworthy, they are also things the press must ask. I don't know what you mean by "more exposure"....actually, the demands on players, haven't changed that much at all. All had to do media after matches....there are more interviews now in general, but then it's over and you go home. There is more exposure through things like paparazzi...but this hasn't been much of a problem for Federer....certainly far far less than for many other athletes or celebrities.
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Right. I agree with your percentages. However, the key is that their are many other champions who did this 100% of the time, while you originally opined that "nobody" could. YES, during that 10% of the time he is failing in his duty as a human being (and a famous public role model being paid to put on public performances) to provide a noble example to kids. However, you're using a straw man here, in that you are representing my words as being a general pronouncement of failure, as if evaluating the entire lifespan. That was not the case, I was quite specific in referring to the press conference itself.
Balances out to what?? A slight jerk? I agree. I also agree that Nadal and Djoko engage in some unpalatable behaviors as well. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean....there are far higher standards one can hold oneself accountable to (both in theory, and in reality) than Nadal and Djokovic! LOL! I'd say COMPARED to say...Jimmy Connors, they're all doing fantastic! They all beat Agassi as well! But why should Connors or Agassi be our measuring stick?
I strongly urge you to use higher standards than the above, when proclaiming that you are "sure" they are "great guys".
PS. I typed out a long story for you about Laver.....but was timed out during the typing and lost the whole thing. I might try to repost it later. It was not particularly important, except that I thought you might enjoy it, and it had many analogous elements to this Fed/Djoko semi....
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r2473
G.O.A.T.
To me, it seemed like an angry shot (as opposed to a confident shot) by Djokovic. He seemed to be angry with the crowd at that point (and probably with the way he was playing at that point). It seemed to me that it was sort of a "F you all" shot. A type of shot I've smashed into to the net / fence many times when I'm frustrated.
When it went in, his reaction towards the crowd back this up I think. He seemed to be angrily asking the crowd "was that good enough for you?".
Then the strange thing happened. The crowd started to sincerely applaud Djokovic. He could sense that. It gave him a whole new attitude. He wasn't angry anymore.
The next MP was REALLY well defended by Djokovic. Fed's serve was right on the money into the body. How Djokovic got that back I'll never know. Fed was in a good position however off the return, hit an aggressive shot (which was there for him), and got "unlucky" to hit the tape and have it go out (heck, it could have dribbled over the net).
After that, Djokovic simply played the type of tennis that has gotten him to 63(?)-2 on the year.
But the slapshot winner was an angry shot (not a brave shot) IMO.
When it went in, his reaction towards the crowd back this up I think. He seemed to be angrily asking the crowd "was that good enough for you?".
Then the strange thing happened. The crowd started to sincerely applaud Djokovic. He could sense that. It gave him a whole new attitude. He wasn't angry anymore.
The next MP was REALLY well defended by Djokovic. Fed's serve was right on the money into the body. How Djokovic got that back I'll never know. Fed was in a good position however off the return, hit an aggressive shot (which was there for him), and got "unlucky" to hit the tape and have it go out (heck, it could have dribbled over the net).
After that, Djokovic simply played the type of tennis that has gotten him to 63(?)-2 on the year.
But the slapshot winner was an angry shot (not a brave shot) IMO.
marcub
Banned
Spot on. Exactly my thought.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
I don't think it matters what emotion is behind a shot.
Many times people make errors because the main emotion behind their shot is FEAR. That's way less admirable that saying 'F you' and going for it. The best players go for their shots, and Novak did. hence him being #1.
Novak played fearless, some people may say reckless, but like the old saying goes, and an earlier poster mentioned, "fortune favors the brave'
marcub
Banned
Yes, I would say that was a reckless shot, definitely not stemming from confidence. He was 2 MP's down and had, by all normal standards, nothing left to lose. The match was as good as gone at that point.
It did go in because he's the greatest returner in the history of the game.
Agree. I see your logic. How hard did he fight the third and fourth sets? I never liked Federer's demeanor in defeat. He only has himself to blame. Btw, am I the only one who doesn't think that Djokovic's super return at 40-15 was that great? The serve landed a good 4-5 feet inside the service and side lines.
djokovic2008
Hall of Fame
I play a very good standard of tennis and when I lose I still show class as I was raised that way.
marcub
Banned
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Listen, it's absolutely fine. I laugh at people when they tell me someone should take into account the fact that somebody is worse off than they are ergo, they must be all politically correct and put on a facade. That is NOT class.
It's fake and it's nonsense. I want people I like to be real. Not unreachable, otherwordly saints. I live in a developing country and have seen millions of people around me who suffer daily which doesn't prevent me from being utterly disgusted when I lose something I know I shouldn't have. And I don't hide it.
The whole purpose of an interview is to KNOW what a player thinks. Why ask questions otherwise? Might as well have them do a monologue.
I often feel this is a part of American media culture. Too artificial. I'm amazed at the 'make-a mountain-out-of-a molehill' attitude both, the American and the British media have. I'm not saying it isn't prevailent here but it's definitely to a far lesser extent and if it is, it's mostly out this fancy for wanting to' westernize' yourself ( or rather take after the American 'way of life'). I want people I like to be believable. Not a bunch of robots who'll give one-track, cliched answers to everything.
You're not a hero by potraying a perfect image of yourself. An image you know is not true. You'd be cheating yourself and people who've come to like you by doing so.
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Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Good for you. Federer can learn from the way you handle your crappy 3.0 league matches.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
I have seen some 3.0 matches mixed doubles that can rival the level of slam finals. :twisted:
I've also heard an Atlanta 3.0 can probably give Sam Querrey a run for his money on a good day.
1. Pat Rafter disagrees about Sampras being a gracious loser. And IIRC, he did say he echoed the opinion of many fellow players
2. instead of preaching your "values", please read the interview -- you'll find that he's been very gracious to Djokovic.
It's pretty evident from your posts that you think very highly of Sampras, and you resent Federer -- you don't miss an opportunity to take a dig at him. Do I think they're correlated? absolutely!!
djokovic2008
Hall of Fame
Lol you sound even more bitter than fed. Well fed and you better get used to showing abit more class from now on as djoker will continue own fed and the rest of the tour for a long time. ( p.s I'm much higher than 3.0)
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
I have seen some 3.0 matches mixed doubles that can rival the level of slam finals. :twisted:
I've also heard an Atlanta 3.0 can probably give Sam Querrey a run for his money on a good day.
:lol: :lol:
That one is true. I wonder how Sam Querrey passes his drug tests. Every time I see an interview of his it looks like he has been smoking pot all day.
marcub
Banned
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Bitter? About what? You should pop open a dictionary and look up the word before using it in false contexts.
Your comment reminded me of some of the posters on this forum who claim that Federer should switch racquets because their own 4.0 level games improved after a racquet switch. You keyboard warriors are a staple of talk tennis forum. Keep up the good work.
My apologies for calling you a 3.0 when you are clearly a 3.5.
DoubleDeuce
Hall of Fame
Didnt you see Djoker's reaction before the match point? How when the crowd was cheering Roger he angrlily pointed to the frame of his racket saying : it was all luck you stupid!
Was that sour grapes? Why some of you guys like to post so much crap around here? Why dont you use your brains before starting a thread ?
Was that sour grapes? Why some of you guys like to post so much crap around here? Why dont you use your brains before starting a thread ?
djokovic2008
Hall of Fame
I accept your apology, also my game did improve when I started using djokers speed pro a few years back but I wouldn't expect you or fed to change!
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Sampras has taken his share of digs during recent times at Roger especially those gems when Roger broke his record. Was it necessary to talk of his H2H against Nadal just after Roger had broken the record? It's obvious why it was done. And of course, Bodo was just the right journo for it :roll:
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DoubleDeuce
Hall of Fame
Own Fed and rest of the tour for long time? Hahaaahaaa
Thanks for the laugh. How long do you think? Long enuoght to get 10 majors? Just tell me how many majors do you think in this "LONG TIME" you are preaching here?
Djoker is cool and I like the guy, but his fans look like they are releasing some serious pressure from their hips from a long term repression.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Me? I use an IG speed and am happy with the racquet. I am not changing anytime soon.
Funbun
Professional
If you played a style that relied on breaking down your opponent step by step, you would probably be angry that your strategy was foiled by a dude who just slaps the ball barely in out of your reach. Not to mention raising their hands up for the crowd. I mean, I would feel pretty humiliated if my opponent used a low percentage, irrationally aggressive shot while I tried to set everything up to beat them up.
I think Federer has every right to be ticked off. In every sense, both Djokovic and Federer have shown levels of arrogance during and after this match. Federer had tanked after that one shot, that's all. I'm certain that most have you have encountered a single point in a match that turn the rest of the game against you. One can easily equivalate this situation to losing against a pusher, except the pusher in this case is a "mindless ball basher".
Nevertheless, Djokovic's shot was amaaazing! It truly shows the state of Djoko's level of play here, willing to take to extremes to win.
I think Federer has every right to be ticked off. In every sense, both Djokovic and Federer have shown levels of arrogance during and after this match. Federer had tanked after that one shot, that's all. I'm certain that most have you have encountered a single point in a match that turn the rest of the game against you. One can easily equivalate this situation to losing against a pusher, except the pusher in this case is a "mindless ball basher".
Nevertheless, Djokovic's shot was amaaazing! It truly shows the state of Djoko's level of play here, willing to take to extremes to win.
DragonBlaze
Hall of Fame
Ok all the quote splitting is doing my head in, so I'm just going to post like this.
In the end I think we agree, today's top players overall do balance out to be slight jerks in their own ways. The problem I have on these forums is when there is massive hypocrisy from some fans where they call one player out for one thing but treat their favourite as god's gift to earth. Why this annoys me, I do not know, this all pointless in the end anyway.
Out of curiosity, which players do you feel were 100% of the time gracious in their defeats?
To be honest, regarding specifically to Federer, I for one am glad he atleast made an improvement from his younger days when he was a total brat. I can't even imagine the disaster it would have been if he had managed to dominate mens tennis but still retain that attitude. However yes, we should not be looking towards Fed/Nad/Djoker for lessons in class on and off court.
Having said that I respect your opinion about them failing their duties as human being etc, I can totally see where you are coming from, but I shall agree to disagree here. That's just too harsh of a line of thinking for my taste. I am young after all, not that much of cynic yet
(Not saying you are old LOL). And I still don't like to judge people as downright bad or as having deep character flaws without actually knowing the person or if they are overtly obvious about it (however as you may have noticed, I have no problem judging people as good, as I said, I'm an optimist. Perhaps that will change, but I hope not). Also I agree that regardless of what we think, these guys are role models. I forgot to make that clear in my last post. Talking about role models though, I have always felt that the strengths of such figures are just as important as the weaknesses. A great role model for me is an imperfect one. Why?
I think as a kid it is all too easy to be enamored by individuals in sports/entertainment etc, and idolise their every action. However you can learn as much from the weaknesses of these individuals as the strengths. Infact the day you realise that your role model wasn't perfect person you thought he was is the day you gain a valuable piece of knowledge about human nature. We are all imperfect, we all have our weaknesses. And that we have to accept these. So when I have my own kids, I am going to ensure that whatever role models they do end up having, that I point out the weakness in their character as much as their strengths. There's always two sides to a coin!
That was a random tangent, anyways...
I apologise if I'm not making much sense, it is 4 am here, I think I need to head to bed soon.
djokovic2008
Hall of Fame
He will a MINIMUM of two slams a year after he wins tommorow till he is thirty he might win more that's just a minimum!
DragonBlaze
Hall of Fame
LOL you are spot on with the wanting to "westernize yourself" comment. The heck is India's obsession with that at times? I just don't get it. Here I am in a foreign country trying to retain the values that I was brought up with in India, and yet so many kids these days seem hell bent on doing the opposite. It saddens me.
To be honest, I was glad Federer was pissed after that match. I don't think I could have quite handled another "oh you know, I felt good about my game yada yada crap".
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Think about last year. Fed had two MP's as well. Djokovic played two good points, worked himself into a position to take a shot, and was able to execute both times. Both were risky (brave, confident) shots, and hat's off to Djokovic on those. I think everyone agrees with that.
As I recall, Fed was obviously disappointed by that loss, but recognized that Djokvic played two very good points, took his shots, and really took that match away from Fed.
Contrast that with the first MP this year and I think you will understand what Fed is getting at.
As I recall, Fed was obviously disappointed by that loss, but recognized that Djokvic played two very good points, took his shots, and really took that match away from Fed.
Contrast that with the first MP this year and I think you will understand what Fed is getting at.
DoubleDeuce
Hall of Fame
Ok all the quote splitting is doing my head in, so I'm just going to post like this. In the end I think we agree, today's top players overall do balance out to be slight jerks in their own ways. The problem I have on these forums is when there is massive hypocrisy from some fans where they call one player out for one thing but treat their favourite as god's gift to earth. Why this annoys me, I do not know, this all pointless in the end anyway. Out of curiosity, which players do you feel were 100% of the time gracious in their defeats? To be honest, regarding specifically to Federer, I for one am glad he atleast made an improvement from his younger days when he was a total brat. I can't even imagine the disaster it would have been if he had managed to dominate mens tennis but still retain that attitude. However yes, we should not be looking towards Fed/Nad/Djoker for lessons in class on and off court. Having said that I respect your opinion about them failing their duties as human being etc, I can totally see where you are coming from, but I shall agree to disagree here. That's just too harsh of a line of thinking for my taste. I am young after all, not that much of cynic yet
Good post.
You think mother Teresa would make a good tennis player? Many of successful athletes look like ego meniacs, they will do what they think is best for them not for others. Nadal will take longer on crucial points, Djoker will fake a shoulder injury if he sees no chance of winning, Soderling will point to a different ball mark, Murray will drop the F bomb, Serena will threat to kill the lineswoman, and Federer wil lsay he belives in hard work after he loses 2 match points.
The truth of the matter is, most every body around here is smart enough to see the bias, or the faults of their players. It's just that they, including myself, prefer to waste our time here than doing better things in the real world.
Ballbashing Grinder
Rookie
That shot was actually the most sensible option for Djokovic in that situation. It was a first serve so it was coming at pace. Trying to go up the line and change direction with the pace on a first serve would have much riskier than using the pace and sending it right back in the direction it came from. The other option was to hit it back cross court but with a little more margin for error inside the tramlines. But Fed had been doing that particular one-two beautifully all day. Djokovic hitting good returns(but not winners) cross court off the wide serve, throwing himself out of court in the process and Fed gliding the forehand winner up the line. Federer did it time and time again in his service games so what he did was actually Djokovic's best option to win the point. I guarantee you, Fed would have creamed the winner up the line if Djokovic just directed that back cross court without going out wide for the winner. Fed would actually have been better served by a second serve in that case when the first wasn't an ace or unplayable. Djokovic would have put the second back in play because the serve would be going slower and he would not have the risk of the open court. With the pace of a first serve, however, Djokovic's return was always going to be pacy as a result of the pace coming at him, and unless it went for a winner cross court, anything less than that and the pace would work against him to open up the court. So Djok actually made the best choice and it's not like he can't hit these returns, he did an identical one at 1-0 deuce on Fed's serve in third set. He's always capable of them once he latches on to it correctly.
And anyway this moaning is ridiculous from Fed. You'd swear Djokovic hit this "flukey" shot as he likes to call it, when Fed himself was match point down. No, he still had a match point left, it was still only deuce, Djokovic still had to serve to stay in it at 4-5, there were still 3 more games played. He has a right to hit a winner ffs. And I'm loving his selective memory. "I set it up perfectly but just didn't finish it off".He must mean Djokovic set it up perfectly for him. He did see Djokovic's service game at 3-4 right? Djokovic did a splendid choke-job with a DF and a string of UE's to gift wrap the break to love. Then Fed played a terrible game to be broken back. It was back on serve at one choke-job a piece so Federer needn't bother pretending he played oh so well, worked his socks off in the previous game to break and then Djokovic slaps this ridiculous fluke to break me back. One, you weren't broken on it, 2) It wasn't a bloody let-cord, it was a winner and 3) You were only in the position of serving for it in the first place because Djokovic played an appalling service game to be broken.
So when they were back on serve with each of their choke jobs done with, it was Djokovic who stepped up to the plate and played better from there on out. He held serve at a pressure moment at 4-5, and at the end of the 5-5 game, he played two amazing rallies in a row to break for 6-5. That break was the only break of the fifth set, "earned" by either player, so despite Fed's logic, it was Djokovic who deserved to win that set.
And anyway this moaning is ridiculous from Fed. You'd swear Djokovic hit this "flukey" shot as he likes to call it, when Fed himself was match point down. No, he still had a match point left, it was still only deuce, Djokovic still had to serve to stay in it at 4-5, there were still 3 more games played. He has a right to hit a winner ffs. And I'm loving his selective memory. "I set it up perfectly but just didn't finish it off".He must mean Djokovic set it up perfectly for him. He did see Djokovic's service game at 3-4 right? Djokovic did a splendid choke-job with a DF and a string of UE's to gift wrap the break to love. Then Fed played a terrible game to be broken back. It was back on serve at one choke-job a piece so Federer needn't bother pretending he played oh so well, worked his socks off in the previous game to break and then Djokovic slaps this ridiculous fluke to break me back. One, you weren't broken on it, 2) It wasn't a bloody let-cord, it was a winner and 3) You were only in the position of serving for it in the first place because Djokovic played an appalling service game to be broken.
So when they were back on serve with each of their choke jobs done with, it was Djokovic who stepped up to the plate and played better from there on out. He held serve at a pressure moment at 4-5, and at the end of the 5-5 game, he played two amazing rallies in a row to break for 6-5. That break was the only break of the fifth set, "earned" by either player, so despite Fed's logic, it was Djokovic who deserved to win that set.
Couldn't have said it any better.
Agassi made a carreer out of those shots.
Oh wait, it was just luck when they went in.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
No, there wasn't too much confidence on the part of Djoko at that point in time.
A good deal of desperation and determination and perfect execution.
Which is all you need sometimes to win.
A good deal of desperation and determination and perfect execution.
Which is all you need sometimes to win.
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BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
Here is an old example of going for a huge return when down and out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwSH43OVUPE#t=2m19s
It is his idol. Maybe Novak was listening to Ted Robinson then.
Now Novak can hurt your when he is in trouble, trouble as in down match points
and speaking of Agassi, this is even more anger fueled, from the same match, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwSH43OVUPE#t=4m08s
Agassi put so much into this return he nearly fell over after his follow through
Nole is a trigger puller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwSH43OVUPE#t=2m19s
It is his idol. Maybe Novak was listening to Ted Robinson then.
Now Novak can hurt your when he is in trouble, trouble as in down match points
and speaking of Agassi, this is even more anger fueled, from the same match, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwSH43OVUPE#t=4m08s
Agassi put so much into this return he nearly fell over after his follow through
Nole is a trigger puller
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Fugazi
Professional
Making a lot of sense here.
True words.
If wasn't like he framed that ball or anything. Then we could talk about luck being on Djokovic's side. Desparate or not, It was a perfectly clean hit ball that landed exacly where he wanted to. High risk, but he had to. Anything else would have been a winner opportunity for Federer (and likely to be squandered anyway, so maybe that would have been the highest % shot after all :twisted
If wasn't like he framed that ball or anything. Then we could talk about luck being on Djokovic's side. Desparate or not, It was a perfectly clean hit ball that landed exacly where he wanted to. High risk, but he had to. Anything else would have been a winner opportunity for Federer (and likely to be squandered anyway, so maybe that would have been the highest % shot after all :twisted
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
It is just more of the same, that is just how the guy thinks and feels about everyone and everything. Sportsmanship?
djokovic2008
Hall of Fame
How many times in the last set did djoker hit a forehand retrun at fed then fed it banged down the other side, it was doing my head in so novak went all out this time and it worked.
