Is this the most pressure anyone has faced?

[killerboi2]

Lmao at Nole fans and their nonsense. He hasn't even got the most pressure in this match, much less of all time. Let's look at some of the pressure Andy Murray has:

Ending weak era (partially at least)
Improving his poor h2h against Djokovic
Improving his poor slam conversion rate
Improving his legacy
Winning it for the crazed British media who will mock if he loses
Finally winning the FO despite getting to semis numerous times.

There is probably more but i'm not gonna bother listing them.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Lmao at Nole fans and their nonsense. He hasn't even got the most pressure in this match, much less of all time. Let's look at some of the pressure Andy Murray has:

Ending weak era (partially at least)
Improving his poor h2h against Djokovic
Improving his poor slam conversion rate
Improving his legacy
Winning it for the crazed British media who will mock if he loses
Finally winning the FO despite getting to semis numerous times.

There is probably more but i'm not gonna bother listing them.

Murray has some pressure, yes. More than Novak? Ridiculous

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Including the women, Serena was under more pressure at the 2015 US Open.

I think that the additional pressures of 4 in a row and whatnot are somewhat alleviated through the pure goal of him trying to at least attain his maiden RG title in the first place. At least, that's how he should focus his energy - finally claim RG and only remember afterwards that he's also won 4 in a row if he wins.

I think Federer was under a similar amount of potential pressure in the 2009 AO final.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Also, Lendl probably put an exceptional amount of pressure on himself to win Wimbledon.

Maybe Murray felt an awful lot of pressure as his finals losses starting adding up.

During the actual course of the match, I can only imagine how Coria was starting to feel in the 2004 RG final.

How about Ivanisevic at Wimbledon 2001?

 

[SQA333]

You know you would Mandy

Damn that's making me hungry.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Also, Lendl probably put an exceptional amount of pressure on himself to win Wimbledon.

Maybe Murray felt an awful lot of pressure as his finals losses starting adding up.

During the actual course of the match, I can only imagine how Coria was starting to feel in the 2004 RG final.

How about Ivanisevic at Wimbledon 2001?

Fed at AO 09 is a good one, but he had just won the US 08, so it was mainly about the can't beat Rafa narrative. Pressure for sure, but weve seen similar situations before, say Rafa at RG 12.

Ivanisevic had a ton of pressure also and comparable because he was going for his 1st at a given slam. But as close as he'd been, it didn't have the same inevitable/cursed feel (i.e you feel Novak HAS to win RG and the other side of the coin you think he's cursed), and more importantly Ivanisevic wasn't an all time great vying for a legacy defining win that could take him near the GOAT conversation.

I think what makes this unique and singular for Novak though is that he's clearly an all time great and he's been so very good and come so very close on clay...the whole cursed narrative. Other matches have had some elements of that, but this one checks every box.

 

[cc0509]

I think he has more powerful groundstrokes, also Murray's hits with less spin and lower over the net, so less margin of error in long rallies.

He most certainly does not.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

He most certainly does not.

Any evidence? It's pretty plain to see that he does, but if you have evidence I'd reconsider.

 

[cc0509]

Lmao at Nole fans and their nonsense. He hasn't even got the most pressure in this match, much less of all time. Let's look at some of the pressure Andy Murray has:

Ending weak era (partially at least)
Improving his poor h2h against Djokovic
Improving his poor slam conversion rate
Improving his legacy
Winning it for the crazed British media who will mock if he loses
Finally winning the FO despite getting to semis numerous times.

There is probably more but i'm not gonna bother listing them.

I disagree. Murray has little pressure and has nothing to lose. He's already said he never thought he would make a FO final a few years back. All of the pressure is on Novak as there are great legacy stakes on the line for him.

 

[cc0509]

Any evidence? It's pretty plain to see that he does, but if you have evidence I'd reconsider.

IMO Murray has the more powerful groundstrokes when his forehand is firing. I would never say Novak is a player with great firepower. He has incredible accuracy and consistency but firepower?

 

[OhYes]

Murray has no pressure at all except for the one that he could be the first player who lost in final from Djokovic under pressure.

 

[killerboi2]

I disagree. Murray has little pressure and has nothing to lose. He's already said he never thought he would make a FO final a few years back. All of the pressure is on Novak as there are great legacy stakes on the line for him.

Yeah but Murray's legacy is going to matter a lot to him as well. Maybe not to the majority of fanboys on here though but it will do to him personally. Ending WEAK ERA is also pretty big pressure imo. Also people hilariously overrating career slam and FO are a joke and disgraceful imo. As if Djokovic wouldn't be rememberd as one of the best players ever without it. Sampras hasn't won FO and he is obviously GOAT contender.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

IMO Murray has the more powerful groundstrokes when his forehand is firing. I would never say Novak is a player with great firepower. He has incredible accuracy and consistency but firepower?

Both Novak and Andy can hit very hard groundstrokes, but play more cautious etc. Andy is often said to not be able to hit thru a surface, whereas this doesn't really apply to ND.

Look at the poll results of this thread

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...okes-federer-djokovic-murray-or-nadal.517564/

ND hits with more spin than AM, but both have around the same avg groundstroke speed, so it's definitely a heavier ball.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Ending weak era (partially at least)

You think players really take this weak era crap on TTW seriously?

Improving his poor h2h against Djokovic

H2H isn't an important stat.

Improving his legacy

And Djokovic can't improve his legacy if he wins on Sunday?

Winning it for the crazed British media who will mock if he loses

He's the best thing that's happened for British tennis in 150 thousand years, and you think they will mock him if he loses? They said he was close to winning the last AO final, go figure...

Finally winning the FO despite getting to semis numerous times.

And Djokovic isn't under pressure to finally win FO despite getting to FINALS numerous times and that Slam being the only one missing from his collection for several years now?

Wow...

 

[Steve0904]

It might be. Federer at RG 2009 is the other obvious one, but maybe partly because he made it so. You could tell he was nervous because of how hard he had to work after Nadal went out. Still though, he was also going after the career slam, and he was chasing the slam record. It didn't look like it in the final, but it sure did in the earlier rounds.

Also Murray at Wimbledon 2013.

 

[killerboi2]

You think players really take this weak era crap on TTW seriously?

H2H isn't an important stat.

And Djokovic can't improve his legacy if he wins on Sunday?

He's the best thing that's happened for British tennis in 150 thousand years, and you think they will mock him if he loses? They said he was close to winning the last AO final, go figure...

And Djokovic isn't under pressure to finally win FO despite getting to FINALS numerous times and that Slam being the only one missing from his collection for several years now?

Wow...

Head to head isn't an important stat? Lmao you having a laugh? Bet you're one of them guys that tries to pretend weak era doesn't exist as well. Murray will be well aware of how many people are bored out of their skin with Djokovic winning everything and how much they want him or someone to change that. Didn't say that Djokovic doesn't have any pressure, but damn the way Nole fans are going on about it is crazy. I've just listed a bunch of combined things where his opponent has a whole lot of pressure as well.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Head to head isn't an important stat? Lmao you having a laugh? Bet you're one of them guys that tries to pretend weak era doesn't exist as well. Murray will be well aware of how many people are bored out of their skin with Djokovic winning everything and how much they want him or someone to change that. Didn't say that Djokovic doesn't have any pressure, but damn the way Nole fans are going on about it is crazy. I've just listed a bunch of combined things where his opponent has a whole lot of pressure as well.

It isn't compared to Slam titles and other things. Now, most people can't tell without researching what's the H2H between the greats 40 years ago, just like in 40 years many will forget the H2H between the current greats.

You listed and I have responded to most of your points to show how Djokovic is indeed under far more pressure than Andy. And LOL at him being under pressure to change the resent results just to make bored people happy for a change. Whatever you are trying to show, it's hilarious.

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

In recent years, I can't remember of someone being under more pressure than Djokovic is now...

 

[Nadalgaenger]

It might be. Federer at RG 2009 is the other obvious one, but maybe partly because he made it so. You could tell he was nervous because of how hard he had to work after Nadal went out. Still though, he was also going after the career slam, and he was chasing the slam record. It didn't look like it in the final, but it sure did in the earlier rounds.

Also Murray at Wimbledon 2013.

I'd say either Fed 2009 or this. I think almost everyone saw Fed2009 as a foregone conclusion whereas Clayray has at least a 45% chance tomorrow. Djokovic WILL be afraid. Murray has little pressure and will go for broke. Murray in 5!

 

[Dilexson]

Lol at Murray having more pressure than Djokovic.
For once he can play freely as he's got almost nothing to lose compared to Novak.

 

[killerboi2]

It might be. Federer at RG 2009 is the other obvious one, but maybe partly because he made it so. You could tell he was nervous because of how hard he had to work after Nadal went out. Still though, he was also going after the career slam, and he was chasing the slam record. It didn't look like it in the final, but it sure did in the earlier rounds.

Federer was playing Soderling, a guy who had reached his first slam final and was considered a vastly inferior player. Sure there might have been a mit of pressure considering Soderling had beaten Nadal earlier but I guarantee you Federer would have chosen Soderling.

And lmao at the guy that said Murray has nothing to lose... wow... just wow.

 

[Fedex]

Well, it surprises me how much of a difference the weather makes. IMO, Murray would not have beaten Stan on a hot day.

Murray has won the vast majority of his titles including 2 slams on fast hot weather surfaces. USO Cincy Montreal Wimbledon final won in hot weather

 

[sportsfan1]

Djokovic would be under pressure, but this time it's the good kind of pressure. He's had an easy run to the final, and after Murray's 0-4 showing at AO against Djokovic, I don't know if he's capable of beating Djokovic at a slam currently.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

The ballboys and ballgirls are facing the pressure. What will Djokovic do to them now?

 

[OhYes]

The ballboys and ballgirls are facing the pressure. What will Djokovic do to them now?

They should be scared of Roger actually.

 

[Wilhelm]

Murray has won the vast majority of his titles including 2 slams on fast hot weather surfaces. USO Cincy Montreal Wimbledon final won in hot weather

Sure, Murray is very good no matter the weather. He just seems to have less trouble than others with horrible conditions.

 

[cc0509]

Yeah but Murray's legacy is going to matter a lot to him as well. Maybe not to the majority of fanboys on here though but it will do to him personally. Ending WEAK ERA is also pretty big pressure imo. Also people hilariously overrating career slam and FO are a joke and disgraceful imo. As if Djokovic wouldn't be rememberd as one of the best players ever without it. Sampras hasn't won FO and he is obviously GOAT contender.

Djokovic will always be considered one of the greatest players but the truth is he needs that FO (Career Slam) to even be in the GOAT conversation as the two guys above him (Nadal and Federer have it.) I don't think Murray has any pressure at all or very little compared to Djokovic. Sure he'd like to try to turn his rivalry around vs Novak in the slams but that pressure isn't the same as going for a CGS, NCYGS, etc.

 

[cc0509]

Both Novak and Andy can hit very hard groundstrokes, but play more cautious etc. Andy is often said to not be able to hit thru a surface, whereas this doesn't really apply to ND.

Look at the poll results of this thread

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...okes-federer-djokovic-murray-or-nadal.517564/

ND hits with more spin than AM, but both have around the same avg groundstroke speed, so it's definitely a heavier ball.

You are using some idiotic fan poll on TTW as proof that Djokovic hits a heavier ball? Those polls mean nothing and are littered with fanboys who vote for their favorite player no matter what the topic.

I have no agenda here with respect to Murray vs Djokovic. IMO Murray tends to hit the heavier ball. Djokovic is better with his angles and consistency.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

You are using some idiotic fan poll on TTW as proof that Djokovic hits a heavier ball? Those polls mean nothing and are littered with fanboys who vote for their favorite player no matter what the topic.

I have no agenda here with respect to Murray vs Djokovic. IMO Murray tends to hit the heavier ball. Djokovic is better with his angles and consistency.

Murray has 1 vote. One. That should be telling. I know plenty about the polls and fanboys here, I'm a Djokovic fan and can see how he does in polls vs. Nadal or Federer, and yes, even Murray. That was one supporting idea, there's no need to get angry about it. What's more, you failed to address my other points..it's well documented they hit similar speeds, and that Djokovic hits with more spin. Murray is commonly questioned as to his offense, on the forehand especially, it was a major thing he worked on with Lendl. Lendl even said his goal is for Murray to be more offensive, hit harder, unload more etc... That has never been an issue with Novak.I don't care if you have an agenda or not, you're wrong. Murray and "heavy" is a joke. He hits a very flat ball and not too hard either. End of story.

 

[cc0509]

Murray has 1 vote. One. That should be telling. I know plenty about the polls and fanboys here, I'm a Djokovic fan and can see how he does in polls vs. Nadal or Federer, and yes, even Murray. That was one supporting idea, there's no need to get angry about it. What's more, you failed to address my other points..it's well documented they hit similar speeds, and that Djokovic hits with more spin. Murray is commonly questioned as to his offense, on the forehand especially, it was a major thing he worked on with Lendl. Lendl even said his goal is for Murray to be more offensive, hit harder, unload more etc... That has never been an issue with Novak.I don't care if you have an agenda or not, you're wrong. Murray and "heavy" is a joke. He hits a very flat ball and not too hard either. End of story.

I'm not angry. Murray is not well-liked on this forum and THAT's why he has so few votes. IMO Djokovic hits more consistently with greater depth and often better angles but Murray tends to hit the heavier ball when he's playing more aggressively and is not in pusher-mode. He has improved that on his forehand side more recently.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I'm not angry. Murray is not well-liked on this forum and THAT's why he has so few votes. IMO Djokovic hits more consistently with greater depth and often better angles but Murray tends to hit the heavier ball when he's playing more aggressively and is not in pusher-mode. He has improved that on his forehand side more recently.

I understand what you're saying but the angles come about largely as a result of spin. How can you say Murray hits a heavier ball when he hits with so little RPM?

 

[Deleted member 512391]

I'm not angry. Murray is not well-liked on this forum and THAT's why he has so few votes. IMO Djokovic hits more consistently with greater depth and often better angles but Murray tends to hit the heavier ball when he's playing more aggressively and is not in pusher-mode. He has improved that on his forehand side more recently.

Murray can hit harder, although not consistently, but never heavier. The difference between their RPMs is about 1000 in Djokovic's favor.

 

[cc0509]

Murray can hit harder, although not consistently, but never heavier. The difference between their RPMs is about 1000 in Djokovic's favor.

That's what I mean, that Murray hits the harder ball when he's playing more aggressively. He has the ability to hit Djokovic off the court more than the other way around. The problem is Murray doesn't do it enough and he often reverts to pusher-mode.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

That's what I mean, that Murray hits the harder ball when he's playing more aggressively. He has the ability to hit Djokovic off the court more than the other way around. The problem is Murray doesn't do it enough and he often reverts to pusher-mode.

I think that he has a hard time to execute that aggressive strategy on a slower courts. On grass, he can hit hard and flat and it usually pays off well, but when he's forced to hit in such a way over and over again, he starts to leak errors, because Djokovic's defense is great and the margin for errors is small for Andy, because of the lack of the spin.
At least that's what the history has shown on a slow courts against Novak. On grass, however, it's a whole different story.

 

[TMF]

Lol at Murray having more pressure than Djokovic.
For once he can play freely as he's got almost nothing to lose compared to Novak.

Murray has lost to Nole 4 times in the previous slam meetings, and hasn't won a slam for nearly 3 years. Pressure is on Murray to break the streak while Nole is in his head.

 

[BeatlesFan]

I can't believe the hyperbole of the OP. Of course this isn't the "most pressure anyone has ever faced in a final." First of all, the majority of tennis fans don't even care who wins this final. It's not like Murray or Djokovic are popular players world-wide or evince much interest outside of their respective home countries. The pressure of being beloved or popular isn't involved in this contest since so few really care about the outcome.

If the OP had been alive or watched tennis finals from the 70's, 80's or 90's, then it would be obvious there are countless other grand slam finals with more on the line:

1969: Laver trying to complete the CYGS
1978: Connors-Borg USO
1980-81: Mac-Borg Wimbledon
1984 FO: Mac-Lendl
1987 Wimbledon: Cash-Lendl
1999 FO: Agassi-Medvedev FO-----------

Just a tiny sampling from the past and ignoring any finals of the past 15 years.

 

[cc0509]

I think that he has a hard time to execute that aggressive strategy on a slower courts. On grass, he can hit hard and flat and it usually pays off well, but when he's forced to hit in such a way over and over again, he starts to leak errors, because Djokovic's defense is great and the margin for errors is small for Andy, because of the lack of the spin.
At least that's what the history has shown on a slow courts against Novak. On grass, however, it's a whole different story.

Yes, but I think during this FO with the heavier conditions Murray has had the better first serve numbers and had more winners off his groundstrokes. Of course doing it consistently against the world #1 will be a whole different challenge for Murray.

http://espn.go.com/tennis/french16/story/_/id/15936459/advantage-breaking-djokovic-vs-murray

 

[mike danny]

Federer at RG 2009, Wimb 2009 and Wimb 2012. He felt similar pressure.

 

[cc0509]

Murray has lost to Nole 4 times in the previous slam meetings, and hasn't won a slam for nearly 3 years. Pressure is on Murray to break the streak while Nole is in his head.

There is little pressure on Murray. It's his first FO final and he's playing against a player who has a much better clay record overall. Djokovic has the bulk of the pressure--i.e. NCYGS, CGS, never having won the title after three finals, etc.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Yes, but I think during this FO with the heavier conditions Murray has had the better first serve numbers and had more winners off his groundstrokes. Of course doing it consistently against the world #1 will be a whole different challenge for Murray.

http://espn.go.com/tennis/french16/story/_/id/15936459/advantage-breaking-djokovic-vs-murray

Murray has made less unforced errors than Djokovic, even though he played five more sets! That's just stunning.

Andy needs to serve well and to go for his shots and he definitely has to win the first set, that's crucial for him. From what I've seen in their encounters on the slow surfaces, Andy has never been able to maintain such an aggressive level throughout the whole match and usually ends up with nothing left in his tank.

Of course, if Novak starts to miss everything and breaks under pressure, Andy has a serious chance for a win. But that's something different and is not related to their particular game plans.

We shall see in less than 24 hours, I guess.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

What's this nonsense? Djokovic is the firm favorite, but Murray can definitely beat him.

 

[killerboi2]

I can't believe the hyperbole of the OP. Of course this isn't the "most pressure anyone has ever faced in a final." First of all, the majority of tennis fans don't even care who wins this final. It's not like Murray or Djokovic are popular players world-wide or evince much interest outside of their respective home countries. The pressure of being beloved or popular isn't involved in this contest since so few really care about the outcome.

If the OP had been alive or watched tennis finals from the 70's, 80's or 90's, then it would be obvious there are countless other grand slam finals with more on the line:

1969: Laver trying to complete the CYGS
1978: Connors-Borg USO
1980-81: Mac-Borg Wimbledon
1984 FO: Mac-Lendl
1987 Wimbledon: Cash-Lendl
1999 FO: Agassi-Medvedev FO-----------

Just a tiny sampling from the past and ignoring any finals of the past 15 years.

I can't speak for Djokovic in this aspect but I know that the British media put Murray under a lot of pressure, not so much because they like him personally but so he can bring them some success following their years of failure. I reckon Djokovic was under more pressure back in the days where prime Nadal was still around at FO and all those opportunities he had to beat him. Wawrinka match I guess there was a little pressure back then, considering he was playing a player with a extremely high top level in slam final for the 1st time. Now? He is playing a player he has beaten at least once in slams from 2011 onwards and a player that hasn't beaten him in slams since 2013.

I guess maybe people can say that it looks so easy on paper that it might put him under a little pressure. I can get behind that a little, but most pressure of all time? Lmao.

 

[TheMuzziah]

Wimbledon finals (2012, 2013)have to be up there.

 

[fezer]

Agassi USO 1990, Agassi FO 1990, Agassi FO 1991, Becker W 1991.

 

[mike danny]

I genuinely think the pressures of winning the CYGS and breaking the slam record are the greatest pressures any tennis player could face.

NCYGS is nice, but it's still not the real thing.

 

[mattosgrant]

I genuinely think the pressures of winning the CYGS and breaking the slam record are the greatest pressures any tennis player could face.

NCYGS is nice, but it's still not the real thing.

I agree and I think the ultimate pressure for Djokovic is his self imposed pressure to finally win RG, and washing away his history of heartbreak at this event for good. It has little or nothing to do with the NCYGS.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

Federer was playing Soderling, a guy who had reached his first slam final and was considered a vastly inferior player. Sure there might have been a mit of pressure considering Soderling had beaten Nadal earlier but I guarantee you Federer would have chosen Soderling.

And lmao at the guy that said Murray has nothing to lose... wow... just wow.

Murray is a heavy underdog and knows that he has never been taken seriously by many. He will thrive in the Underdog role as he did at the USO 2012 or Wimbledon 2013 matches.