Is Timmy Now a More Accomplished Hard Court Player?

[The Blond Blur]

Now that he's made the AO final, has Timmy's HC achievements surpassed those on clay?

Here's the tale of tape.

HC:
1 slem F (outcome TBD) and 1 QF

1 Tour Finals F

1 MS1000 W

5 titles (1 250, 3 500's, and the aforementioned MS1000)

CC:
2 slem F and 2 SF

2 MS1000 F

10 titles on (8 250's, 2 500)

Right now, I think he's still better on clay, even with his lone big title coming from a HC tourney. However, should he win the AO I don't think anyone can debate that he'd be more successful on hard.

 

[megamind]

The answer: No, at least not yet

He’s 1 win away from doing so

 

[tennis_crazy]

Would be hilarious if a clay specialist wins AO against the king as his first grand slam. We can be sure of Lew elevating Thiem to about Murray's level immediately.....Let's hope it happens

 

[The Blond Blur]

Would be hilarious if a clay specialist wins AO against the king as his first grand slam. We can be sure of Lew elevating Thiem to about Murray's level immediately.....Let's hope it happens

Well as you are well aware, Sir Andeh (along with Stanimal) is an ATG

 

[tennis_crazy]

Well as you are well aware, Sir Andeh (along with Stanimal) is an ATG

The instant entry to become ATG is to beat Djoker in a GS final.....LOL

 

[Sudacafan]

Now that he's made the AO final, has Timmy's HC achievements surpassed those on clay?

Here's the tale of tape.

HC:
1 slem F (outcome TBD) and 1 QF

1 Tour Finals F

1 MS1000 W

5 titles (1 250, 3 500's, and the aforementioned MS1000)

CC:
2 slem F and 2 SF

2 MS1000 F

10 titles on (8 250's, 2 500)

Right now, I think he's still better on clay, even with his lone big title coming from a HC tourney. However, should he win the AO I don't think anyone can debate that he'd be more successful on hard.

I am so sad that Thiemmy could not play on blue clay.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Now that he's made the AO final, has Timmy's HC achievements surpassed those on clay?

Here's the tale of tape.

HC:
1 slem F (outcome TBD) and 1 QF

1 Tour Finals F

1 MS1000 W

5 titles (1 250, 3 500's, and the aforementioned MS1000)

CC:
2 slem F and 2 SF

2 MS1000 F

10 titles on (8 250's, 2 500)

Right now, I think he's still better on clay, even with his lone big title coming from a HC tourney. However, should he win the AO I don't think anyone can debate that he'd be more successful on hard.

Yep, Thiem is better on HC's, and if he pulls off the upset against Djoker, there is no denying that he is a well rounded player that has HC's as their best surface. To be honest, I think even with a loss you can argue Thiem is better on HC at this point.

 

[The Blond Blur]

I am so sad that Thiemmy could not play on blue clay.

It is indeed sad he didn't get to play on Spanish blue clay. But, he does get to play on Australian and American blue clay

 

[Mainad]

The instant entry to become ATG is to beat Djoker in a GS final.....LOL

If you beat an ATG in multiple Slam finals then that should qualify you to be an ATG also.

 

[aditya123]

He hasn't won yet!!!! Half of Ttw are jinxing him and expecting a lot.... Be prepared for the worse too.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Yep, Thiem is better on HC's, and if he pulls off the upset against Djoker, there is no denying that he is a well rounded player that has HC's as their best surface. To be honest, I think even with a loss you can argue Thiem is better on HC at this point.

I just hope he doesn't lay an egg in the final like he's prone to do

 

[The Blond Blur]

He hasn't won yet!!!! Half of Ttw are jinxing him and expecting a lot.... Be prepared for the worse too.

He hasn't won a big title on clay either (yet a lot of people are now expecting him to win RG). He's now made multiple big title finals on both surfaces. I just wanted to see if people now view him as a better HC player. Joker is absolutely the favorite and my pick to win, but no thread on a tennis forum is going to affect the outcome of a match.

 

[Lleytonstation]

He hasn't won yet!!!! Half of Ttw are jinxing him and expecting a lot.... Be prepared for the worse too.

 

[Red Rick]

Just the thought of Thiem having a AO and Murray not.............

 

[The Blond Blur]

Just the thought of Thiem having a AO and Murray not.............

I feel your pain

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

TimyGoat the new MuryGoat

 

[stringertom]

With a career best 4R at Wimby, Li’l Timmie has a bit of work to get into best non-Big3 conversation even if he wins Sunday.

 

[LETitBE]

will he stand 5m from the baseline against Djok?

 

[yokied]

Right now it's all a bit moot, so you're asking a bit early. But if he wins the AO, a hardcourt king for a day is always better than being the perennial prince of clay.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Just the thought of Thiem having a AO and Murray not.............

Sounds delicious to me

 

[Bukmeikara]

Right now it's all a bit moot, so you're asking a bit early. But if he wins the AO, a hardcourt king for a day is always better than being the perennial prince of clay.

This is a perfect example, how people are lost in numbers and absent minded statistics.
Thiem is by far better and more dominant player on clay. AO and IW titles title dont change that. That is why context matter, the existense of Nadal on RG is what stopped Thiem in Paris

 

[Sosuke Aizen]

With a career best 4R at Wimby, Li’l Timmie has a bit of work to get into best non-Big3 conversation even if he wins Sunday.

If he wins Sunday he absolutely becomes the best of the players who are not within the Big 3's age range and I dont see much of an argument that would be made against him.

 

[stringertom]

If he wins Sunday he absolutely becomes the best of the players who are not within the Big 3's age range and I dont see much of an argument that would be made against him.

He’s already the best under age 32 player...3 slam finals >>> 1 slam final; even on M1K titles, and way ahead on 250/500s plus a new higher ranking...#3 if Thiem wins, #4 if he loses.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Just the thought of Thiem having a AO and Murray not.............

Ebin DD

 

[Djokovic2015]

He’s already the best under age 32 player...3 slam finals >>> 1 slam final; even on M1K titles, and way ahead on 250/500s plus a new higher ranking...#3 if Thiem wins, #4 if he loses.

Del Po and Cilic both have majors
Zverev has 3 Masters + London + peak rank #3

Think Thiem has to win Sunday to clearly be rated above all 3 of them.

 

[Third Serve]

Just the thought of Thiem having a AO and Murray not.............