Is tomorrow the day Alcaraz finally loses to a player younger than him?

Will he?

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Huge gritty win from essentially 3 MPs down. We were right to wonder about whether it could happen, but Fils couldn’t close with the line in sight. Alcaraz will now be favourite to win the whole thing by a mile, the other side of the draw contains people he knows well
 
Down 1-3 in the third, wins 5 straight games. Fils played well and was probably one hold away. Fils is generally mentally tough, but it’s tough to deal with a player who seems to be in every return game.

Alcaraz can play all types of trash shots and lose sets he shouldn’t lose (not talking about today as Fils deserved it) and then can 5 games in a row vs. anyone as easily as anyone I’ve ever seen,
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
So winning a match is a wake up call for Carlitos- a 4 time GS champion before the age of 22?
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It’s happening this year, I mean Fils was 3 holds away from doing it. I don’t know what happened towards the end of that third set. Errors just leaked everywhere and he couldn’t land a first serve in.
 
dking68 said:
It’s happening this year, I mean Fils was 3 holds away from doing it. I don’t know what happened towards the end of that third set. Errors just leaked everywhere and he couldn’t land a first serve in.
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It proves my analysis correct on Fils. Mentally he’s just not there yet to close matches like this.
No denying the talent. But need to see Fils deliver in clutch moments more consistently than spontaneously making predictions with no analysis to prove other wise ;)
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
It proves my analysis correct on Fils. Mentally he’s just not there yet to close matches like this.
No denying the talent. But need to see Fils deliver in clutch moments more consistently than spontaneously making predictions with no analysis to prove other wise ;)
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I don’t think it was mental man, I think he looked out of gas. But anyways maybe you could be right but I don’t think it’s mental, seeing how he’s playing at home
 
dking68 said:
I don’t think it was mental man, I think he looked out of gas. But anyways maybe you could be right but I don’t think it’s mental, seeing how he’s playing at home
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IW match against medvedev is prime example of him mentally folding.
At no point would a stronger opponent lose that match with the way they played throughout. He outplayed medvedev but lost in the pressure moments.
 
Match that proved that the question posed by OP was legitimate.
If Fils concretizes one of those 3 consecutive break points at 5-5 in the second set all played on Alcaraz's second serve, he will most likely win this match.
That said, Fils played a great match, he attacked Alcaraz right from the start, the only tactic you can adopt on this surface against the Spaniard if you want to give yourself a chance.
The problem is that this tactic is high risk, so as soon as the energy and lucidity to sustain it begin to wane you are overwhelmed, as happened from 3-1 in the third set onwards where the Frenchman appeared clearly drained.
This is why Alcaraz remains the favorite in view of Roland Garros, winning 3 sets against him requires a physical and mental effort that is very difficult to sustain.
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
IW match against medvedev is prime example of him mentally folding.
At no point would a stronger opponent lose that match with the way they played throughout. He outplayed medvedev but lost in the pressure moments.
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But he’s at home.. but maybe you’re right. But I thought effectively being at home would offset that. I still don’t think he was far from pulling it off, but man, he couldn’t land a serve in after 3-1 up in that third set
 
Winner Sinner said:
Match that proved that the question posed by OP was legitimate.
If Fils concretizes one of those 3 consecutive break points at 5-5 in the second set all played on Alcaraz's second serve, he will most likely win this match.
That said, Fils played a great match, he attacked Alcaraz right from the start, the only tactic you can adopt on this surface against the Spaniard if you want to give yourself a chance.
The problem is that this tactic is high risk, so as soon as the energy and lucidity to sustain it begin to wane you are overwhelmed, as happened from 3-1 in the third set onwards where the Frenchman appeared clearly drained.
This is why Alcaraz remains the favorite in view of Roland Garros, winning 3 sets against him requires a physical and mental effort that is very difficult to sustain.
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As Rafa would say :
“IF IF IF doesn’t exist”.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Ifs and buts don't make history, but in this case they show that Fils had a chance of winning, so OP's question was absolutely relevant.
When @dking68 asks a question, it would be a good idea to take it more seriously next time, you know?
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Fils had a solid chance. I usually don’t post a thread or make a bold comment unless I feel a burning in my stomach pre match. I think he was a bit careless on some crucial points. I don’t think he was far off from winning
 
dking68 said:
Fils had a solid chance. I usually don’t post a thread or make a bold comment unless I feel a burning in my stomach pre match. I think he was a bit careless on some crucial points. I don’t think he was far off from winning
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dking68 said:
But he’s at home.. but maybe you’re right. But I thought effectively being at home would offset that. I still don’t think he was far from pulling it off, but man, he couldn’t land a serve in after 3-1 up in that third set
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Honestly I don’t even care. Anyone who makes projections can be wrong. Your way of gloating and going about it if you’re right is just exhausting. Many people are wrong on projections - in sports and out. But provide analysis that back up why they make them. You guess wildly.
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
Honestly I don’t even care. Anyone who makes projections can be wrong. Your way of gloating and going about it if you’re right is just exhausting. Many people are wrong on projections - in sports and out. But provide analysis that back up why they make them. You guess wildly.
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Like sinner was winning Wimbledon last year.

The need to insult others and glorify sinner. Some raz fans are similar
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
Honestly I don’t even care. Anyone who makes projections can be wrong. Your way of gloating and going about it if you’re right is just exhausting. Many people are wrong on projections - in sports and out. But provide analysis that back up why they make them. You guess wildly.
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Not really man, if you observed his momentum at this tournament, he impressed me against Rublev. And he made QF at the 2 masters prior, so he’s on an upward trajectory. Thought that today was his day to get a big win to make his first SF at a masters event (at home effectively). I don’t know what happened after being 3-1 up in the decider.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Ifs and buts don't make history, but in this case they show that Fils had a chance of winning, so OP's question was absolutely relevant.
When @dking68 asks a question, it would be a good idea to take it more seriously next time, you know?
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Draper also had a chance of losing. A win is a win. A loss is a loss.
There’s a difference of being right when you’re wildly guessing vs. a loss when you’re using facts to justify an analysis. In the real world, getting lucky off a wild guess doesn’t bode well for consistency.

I like Fils. And same explanation to why I didn’t think Draper would beat Carlos. I haven’t seen consistency out of either, but on tour through the top 150- upsets can happen.

Fils is super talented. But it’s hard to gauge bc he’s known to lose focus. Mentally fold. IW qtrs were a good example of recent facts why he would lose to Carlos.
 
dking68 said:
Not really man, if you observed his momentum at this tournament, he impressed me against Rublev. And he made QF at the 2 masters prior, so he’s on an upward trajectory. Thought that today was his day to get a big win to make his first SF at a masters event (at home effectively). I don’t know what happened after being 3-1 up in the decider.
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Look. I love Rublev. But he’s opened up about his current mental health issues. He’s not 100%.

Fils is going to get a big win. It’s hard to project young talent from a maturity standard. Sinner and Alcaraz were easy bc they seemed much more mature than most at 18 years old.

Then there’s Fils and Rune who are talented but still need to put some things together to be more consistent.
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
Draper also had a chance of losing. A win is a win. A loss is a loss.
There’s a difference of being right when you’re wildly guessing vs. a loss when you’re using facts to justify an analysis. In the real world, getting lucky off a wild guess doesn’t bode well for consistency.

I like Fils. And same explanation to why I didn’t think Draper would beat Carlos. I haven’t seen consistency out of either, but on tour through the top 150- upsets can happen.

Fils is super talented. But it’s hard to gauge bc he’s known to lose focus. Mentally fold. IW qtrs were a good example of recent facts why he would lose to Carlos.
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He was literally 3 break points away to break and serve out the match to win in straights, you know that right?
 
dking68 said:
Not really man, if you observed his momentum at this tournament, he impressed me against Rublev. And he made QF at the 2 masters prior, so he’s on an upward trajectory. Thought that today was his day to get a big win to make his first SF at a masters event (at home effectively). I don’t know what happened after being 3-1 up in the decider.
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Had he made a forehand winner out wide at 5-5 in the second set he would serving for the match. Only is match point in the net was disappointing (alcaraz serving for the match).
Anyway , Alcaraz was zoning out of nowhere at times ,it is not sustainable we konw it even for alcaraz. yes alcaraz will probably the majority of his meetings with Fils but just a matter of time for Fils to grab. he is too good not to grab one vs Alcaraz. And grabing one fair and square , not a Botic or a Goffin one where he doesn't know why he is on the court
 
@ChrisJR3264 don’t get me wrong, congrats to Alcaraz on the win. But with Alcaraz now, I still believe he has declined. This is not a good look for his season this year. I predicted he would be slamlless this year in 2024, but let’s see
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
Draper also had a chance of losing. A win is a win. A loss is a loss.
There’s a difference of being right when you’re wildly guessing vs. a loss when you’re using facts to justify an analysis. In the real world, getting lucky off a wild guess doesn’t bode well for consistency.

I like Fils. And same explanation to why I didn’t think Draper would beat Carlos. I haven’t seen consistency out of either, but on tour through the top 150- upsets can happen.

Fils is super talented. But it’s hard to gauge bc he’s known to lose focus. Mentally fold. IW qtrs were a good example of recent facts why he would lose to Carlos.
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The thread's question was whether Alcaraz could finally lose to a younger player, not that he would definitely lose.
That's why I say that the thread made perfect sense in light of the match in which Alcaraz was put on his back several times.

And anyway, no, today Fils had many more opportunities to win the match than Alcaraz had to win against Draper in Indian Wells.
In a second set in which the serves dominated until the twelfth game, Fils had 7 break points, including 3 in a row in the eleventh game.
Alcaraz against Draper in the Indian Wells match was never so close to being able to think of winning it.
 
Winner Sinner said:
The thread's question was whether Alcaraz could finally lose to a younger player, not that he would definitely lose.
That's why I say that the thread made perfect sense in light of the match in which Alcaraz was put on his back several times.

And anyway, no, today Fils had many more opportunities to win the match than Alcaraz had to win against Draper in Indian Wells.
In a second set in which the serves dominated until the twelfth game, Fils had 7 break points, including 3 in a row in the eleventh game.
Alcaraz against Draper in the Indian Wells match was never so close to being able to think of winning it.
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Read through the thread.
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
Facts: sinner failed two doping test then came up with a pretty gross story
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That is irrelevant..

Op enrages the fans of everyone except sinner with making hateful remarks. I think everyone must get their due..

Sinner is my guy to lead this gen but that doesn't mean raz is a loser. He is most likely player to stop sinner in slam this year so I can understand why it would make sinner fans mad. But respect must be there.
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
Read through the thread.
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I'm talking about the thread title, poll and preview comment, all questions that in light of the match's progress made even more sense to ask.

Then that @dking68 thought Fils could win is another matter.
His prediction was not inappropriate given that we are talking about a match that was truly decided on the details.
the only ones who never make wrong predictions are those who never make predictions.

That said, I repeat, the next time OP asks a question it would be legitimate to take him more seriously.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
That is irrelevant..

Op enrages the fans of everyone except sinner with making hateful remarks. I think everyone must get their due..

Sinner is my guy to lead this gen but that doesn't mean raz is a loser. He is most likely player to stop sinner in slam this year so I can understand why it would make sinner fans mad. But respect must be there.
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Raz owns the H2H. Was 3-0 against him last year too.
 
@dking68 as easily predictable, Sinner's CYGS chances fall entirely on Roland Garros.
If he manages to conquer Paris, he will leave a nice seal.
It would be yet another psychological setback for the entire competition if Sinner, returning from disqualification, immediately wins the slam on the surface least congenial to him.

But to do so there is the biggest obstacle called Carlos Alcaraz.
Also for this reason it would be more appropriate for Alcaraz to overtake Zverev in the rankings.
Sinner would have an even better chance of beating him in a final.

Anyway, watch out, Panichi declared yesterday that Sinner will physically and mentally emerge from this disqualification as a war machine ready to compete right from Rome.
He spoke of macro-works that have replaced the usual micro-works.
I can't wait...
 
nolefam_2024 said:
We have to be retrospective. The Beijing loss was a big blow to us fans who saw raz having many options to beat sinner. I think he could have won in 2 as well.

So that means raz while inconsistent is capable of stopping whatever dreams of 20 straight slams he will win.
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You’re right Raz should have won in straight in Beijing , it also raises concern that Carlos playing out of mind prolong matches and let his rival back in the match.
 
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