Is two piece stringing faster than one piece?

[Mighty Matteo]

i know that two piece stringing has me pulling less string but then again, one piece stringing has half as many knots. what is faster?

 

[Irvin]

Little or no difference if you know what you are doing. Most speed stringers use one piece.

Irvin

 

[Carolina Racquet]

I know I shouldn't question Irvin who has offered great tips and insight on stringing, but doesn't the option of one vs. two piece stringing also depend on the string pattern?

A 16x19 pattern will have the last main finish at the top of the frame... optimal from starting your first cross, whereas an 18x20 pattern will require the last cross to finish at the bottom.

If conventional wisdom dictates that most crossing patterns should start at the top of the frame and work down, you should only use the one-piece method on racquets with 16 main strings.

Is this a valid assessment?

 

[rufusbgood]

I know I shouldn't question Irvin who has offered great tips and insight on stringing, but doesn't the option of one vs. two piece stringing also depend on the string pattern?

A 16x19 pattern will have the last main finish at the top of the frame... optimal from starting your first cross, whereas an 18x20 pattern will require the last cross to finish at the bottom.

If conventional wisdom dictates that most crossing patterns should start at the top of the frame and work down, you should only use the one-piece method on racquets with 16 main strings.

Is this a valid assessment?

No.

Where the mains strings end depends on 2 things: the number of mains and the number of holes in the throat. You seem to think there's always 8 holes in the throat.

The question though was: which is faster. I'd say 2 piece.

 

[Irvin]

I know I shouldn't question Irvin who has offered great tips and insight on stringing, but doesn't the option of one vs. two piece stringing also depend on the string pattern?

A 16x19 pattern will have the last main finish at the top of the frame... optimal from starting your first cross, whereas an 18x20 pattern will require the last cross to finish at the bottom.

If conventional wisdom dictates that most crossing patterns should start at the top of the frame and work down, you should only use the one-piece method on racquets with 16 main strings.

Is this a valid assessment?

You are completely correct. Except that all rackets with 16 or 18 mains probably don't start or finish in the same place. I like to string all rackets I can one piece BUT most manufacturers recommendtions is two piece. I was only referring to which one is faster.

There is a difference as to which method is faster and which method is correct.

For example take these four Wilson rackets:
Hammer 6.4 Power Holes Midplus 95
String Tension : 50-60 lbs.
String Length : 34' (ss:9') or (18 M's and 16 X's)
String Pattern : 16 x 20
Start Main : at Throat. Mains skip 7H, 9H, 7T and 9T. Tie off M's at 6T.
One Piece : Start X's at Bottom at 7T. Top X: 7H. Tie off X's at 8H.
Two Piece : Start X's at Top at 7H. Bottom X: 7T. Tie off X's at 8H and 11T.
Notes :


Pro Staff 5.7 EB Midplus 100
String Tension : 53-63 lbs.
String Length : 38' (ss: 10') or (20' M's and 18' X's)
String Pattern : 16 x 20
Start Main : at Head. Mains skip 7H, 9H, 7T, and 9T. Tie off M's at 6H.
One Piece : Start X's at Top at 7H. Bottom X: 7T. Tie off X's at 11T.
Two Piece : Start X's at Top at 7H. Bottom X: 7T. Tie off X's at 4H and 11T.
Notes :


Pro Staff 5.7 EB Oversize 115
String Tension : 55-65 lbs.
String Length : 40' (ss:11') of (22' M's and 18' X's)
String Pattern : 18 x 20
Start Main : at Head. Mains skip 8H, 10H, 8T and 10T. Tie off M's at 7T.
One Piece : Start X's at Bottom at 8T. Top X: 8H. Tie off X's at 6H.
Two Piece : Start X's at Top at 8H. Bottom X: 8T. Tie off X's at 6H and 12T.
Notes :


Pro Staff 6.7 EB Oversize 110
String Tension : 55-65 lbs.
String Length : 38' (ss: 10') or (20' M's and 18' X's)
String Pattern : 18 x 20
Start Main : at Throat. Mains skip 8H, 10H, 8T and 10T. Tie off M's at 7H.
One Piece : Start X's at Top at 8H. Bottom X: 8T. Tie off X's at 6T.
Two Piece : Start X's at Top at 8H. Bottom X: 8T. Tie off X's at 5H and 6T.
Notes :




Irvin

 

[rufusbgood]

You are completely correct....

Irvin

Why confuse the guy? Other than the butt smooching in the first sentence, what did he get right?

 

[Tennisplayer01]

Little or no difference if you know what you are doing. Most speed stringers use one piece.

Irvin

I dont really know what yall think but in my point of view i believe you should do 2 piece on synthetic gut and multifilment as of poly use 2 piece because pulling hte string sometimes could scratch your hand if they are sweaty. I just generally like 4 piece better shorter string makes it easier to maneuver.

Tieing knots is not really an issue for me either so it works well for me

 

[jim e]

I dont really know what yall think but in my point of view i believe you should do 2 piece on synthetic gut and multifilment as of poly use 2 piece because pulling hte string sometimes could scratch your hand if they are sweaty. I just generally like 4 piece better shorter string makes it easier to maneuver.

Tieing knots is not really an issue for me either so it works well for me

Yikes! 4 piece, and you like that better??I guess it would be short string!
I never heard of 4 piece!!!! Some way of utilizing scrap string??
I cannot imagine 8 knots.
I use to see patched up string jobs back in the wooden racquet days in the 1960's, I just can't imagine anyone doing that today.

 

[dancraig]

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[pvaudio]

I dont really know what yall think but in my point of view i believe you should do 2 piece on synthetic gut and multifilment as of poly use 2 piece because pulling hte string sometimes could scratch your hand if they are sweaty. I just generally like 4 piece better shorter string makes it easier to maneuver.

Tieing knots is not really an issue for me either so it works well for me

What....the ****?

 

[jester911]

Truthfully there really isn't going to be enough difference in time to make that much difference unless your trying to race someone.

 

[diredesire]

Truthfully there really isn't going to be enough difference in time to make that much difference unless your trying to race someone.

The question itself, though, really is which is faster... so racing would definitely qualify

I think it depends on the person, TBH. I rarely string one piece because most of the racquets i've done (~80%) are top down patterns, and I don't bother with ATW patterns. The vast majority of what I do anyways is a hybrid (80%+), so it is sort of a function over form habit for me.

If I had to choose one that is faster, I'd go one piece, but that's because I pre-lace when i string the mains, and I'd be dropping a lot of that time pulling strings through/finding the end (if i were to ever lose it). I almost always string 2 piece, though. The difference for me is a minute or less

 

[kimbahpnam]

I thought it's best to work from the bottom to the top on the crosses

 

[dancraig]

I thought it's best to work from the bottom to the top on the crosses

Top down is best.

 

[jester911]

Although I only string for family and friends and not for a living I have been doing it for many years. I have always thought too many people obsess about how quickly they can string.

If I have someone stringing a racket for me I would rather him take his time and get it right as opposed to racing through it and risk mistakes. I know when I do it I just try to make it as consistent as I can every time.

 

[diredesire]

Although I only string for family and friends and not for a living I have been doing it for many years. I have always thought too many people obsess about how quickly they can string.

If I have someone stringing a racket for me I would rather him take his time and get it right as opposed to racing through it and risk mistakes. I know when I do it I just try to make it as consistent as I can every time.

Ever strung 13 racquets at once with a deadline of tomorrow?

I wholeheartedly agree, speed is not what you should be after when you string, but after some time, and some practice, speed is just what happens. There are people out there who need to shave time off their work flow, and that's just a fact. Speed and consistency/mistakes are not definitively correlated. I can bang out string jobs all day 3-4 frames an hour (depending on pattern/string) and barring any weird calibration issues of the machine, they'll be spot on every time. I don't burn crosses, nor really "race" through anything. I just learned to minimize wasted movements, etc.

Depending where you are in your stringing experience (lets say # of frames, not years you have strung), I think the advice is a lot different. It's all a perspective game, IMHO. [Note, I like to think in terms of (roughly) racquets strung, because someone could be stringing one or two a month for 20 years, vs. someone who has strung 5+ a day for a few years...]

 

[jester911]

I know what your saying. The thing is that the people that need to be fast because they have 13 racquets at once to string with a deadline are already fast because of their experience.

Two points I am trying to make. One is that the time difference between 1 or 2 string stringing is very minimal. The other is that most people that worry about the speed really don't have a true need to be fast.

 

[Sampras Fan]

I will not string a textured poly in a one piece. It either burns the string or burns your hand. Especially Alu Rough. Hate stringing that string.

 

[diredesire]

I know what your saying. The thing is that the people that need to be fast because they have 13 racquets at once to string with a deadline are already fast because of their experience.

Two points I am trying to make. One is that the time difference between 1 or 2 string stringing is very minimal. The other is that most people that worry about the speed really don't have a true need to be fast.

Yep, I hear you, some people are trying to cut corners where they shouldn't, but it's OK to not want to take 40m-1h to string each racquet. Time is money! I'm A-OK with people wanting to get faster, but they have to drop the dead-weight where it (doesn't) matter, not in any critical capacity.

I will not string a textured poly in a one piece. It either burns the string or burns your hand. Especially Alu Rough. Hate stringing that string.

What's the difference? There's no cross strings until you're done with the mains either way...?

 

[tnsanydy]

Lot's of information on this thread. It will really help us new to stringing and using the basic drop weight system (ATS stringer). I would assume for the experts specially if they're stringing different types of racket that 1 piece is faster. Then again, cutting the strings in half after unwinding and pre-streaching it is much faster than doing the first 3 steps and then have to STILL MEASURE 10/11 feet on 1 side, etc. making sure the strings are of the right length, etc. What do I know? Just my 2 cents.:???:

 

[Sampras Fan]

What's the difference? There's no cross strings until you're done with the mains either way...?

Your right. The less I deal with the ALU Rough the better. Its like a damn serrated knife.