Is Weak Era 2 coming to an end?

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Spencer Gore, Jul 13, 2018.

  1. Spencer Gore

    Spencer Gore Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2017
    Messages:
    685
    Location:
    London
    With Djokovic getting back to his best (and when he is at his best he is the best player of the last twenty years) we once again have 3 world class players competing for the slams -thank the lord.

    Hopefully this means the embarrassing last couple of years when Federer and Nadal have been allowed to sleepwalk to titles is coming to an end.

    It surely means Weak Era 2 is coming to a close. For now.
     
    Poisoned Slice likes this.
    #1
  2. Sabratha

    Sabratha Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    23,282
    It's still a weak era. Stop posting.
     
    #2
  3. Druss

    Druss Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Messages:
    2,565
    Location:
    Australia
    3 world class players?
    Nadal....check
    Djokovic.....check
    ????????.....who is the other? Zverev? Kyrgios? Thiem?
     
    #3
  4. Spencer Gore

    Spencer Gore Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2017
    Messages:
    685
    Location:
    London
    Yo
    We can argue about Federer’s place in the all-time hierarchy but to suggest he is not still a world class player is asinine.
     
    #4
  5. Druss

    Druss Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Messages:
    2,565
    Location:
    Australia
    Well yes I guess you can add this current Federer.....it’s the same as adding 2006 Agassi to the list of ‘great’ competition for that particular year.
     
    #5
  6. Firstservingman

    Firstservingman G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2014
    Messages:
    18,726
    Location:
    Canberra, Australia
    Pretty fresh coming from a guy born in 1850. Nice.
     
    #6
  7. ewiewp

    ewiewp Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2018
    Messages:
    385
    Kind of ok now.

    Dimitrov is #6. Still weak i think.

    Dimitriv at #3 was the peak of the weak era, i think.
     
    #7
  8. metsman

    metsman G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2015
    Messages:
    14,222
    LMAO, this era is still a JOKE, players WAY past their bests still winning slams with ease. Don't give me this nonsense horsecrap '3 players competing' when it's the SAME three guys for 15 years, Any young players worth their salt would have pushed these geezers into the retirement home, but no instead we get a guy like Thiem as the main competition, whose true calling is probably being a von trapp family singer.
     
    #8
  9. Djorau

    Djorau Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2018
    Messages:
    136
    So an era when the servebot Krajicek - the Milos Raonic of the 1990s win Slam is strong. The big Dutch boy was essentially a 1hbh Raonic with much better volleys but much worse groundies.
     
    #9
  10. metsman

    metsman G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2015
    Messages:
    14,222
    ROFLMAO don't talk about players that you have never seen. Krajicek makes RaoMUG look like an club footed elephant and on top of that has a better serve. Krajicek may as well have been Christopher Columbus to some of you preteens. Raonic making a Wimbledon final is a DISGRACE, imagine Rusedski or Arthurs making a Wimbledon final...Another notch on the belt of so called big server neutralizer Fed to not stop him...
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2018
    #10
  11. junior74

    junior74 Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2013
    Messages:
    8,640
    Location:
    Down south up north
    Isner-Anderson in a slam semi final says it all.
     
    #11
  12. Firstservingman

    Firstservingman G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2014
    Messages:
    18,726
    Location:
    Canberra, Australia
    #12
  13. dnguyen

    dnguyen Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2013
    Messages:
    607
    No, it will be the second weak era.
     
    #13
  14. Djorau

    Djorau Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2018
    Messages:
    136
    I did not say that they were the same. What I said is that Krajicek is an equivalent of Raonic during his time, which means he would have been a Raonic (although with better movement) had he grown up today.
     
    #14
  15. Sport

    Sport Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 11, 2017
    Messages:
    2,003
    Location:
    Somewhere in the European Union
    Nadal was playing really great yesterday, yet Nole was able to win 2 sets. What the hell is this a weak era?

    This Nadal was 100% tougher than any Hewitt, old Agassi, Roddick, Phillippoussis, Baghdatis and the likes.

    Do you know why the next gen can't compete against the big 3? Because they are the 3 best players of all time. Federer/Nadal/Djokovic all of them stopped each other from winning more Slams. The distinction Open Era/pre-Open Era should die. It should be Big 3 era/pre-Big 3 Era.
     
    YetAnotherFedFan and Lew like this.
    #15
  16. Sabratha

    Sabratha Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    23,282
    Putting freaking Roddick and Hewitt in the same category as Scud and Baggy is stupid as hell.

    Hewitt for one could probably play about as well as peak Murray, Roddick not far behind. Scud and Baggy are Pioline and Anderson level.
     
    #16
  17. Sport

    Sport Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 11, 2017
    Messages:
    2,003
    Location:
    Somewhere in the European Union
    Neither Hewitt nor Roddick are so good as Murray, who won 3 GS in the Big 3 Era. Hewitt and Rodick have less than 3 GS in the pre-Big 3 Era.
     
    #17
  18. KINGROGER

    KINGROGER Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2016
    Messages:
    7,409
    Murray would have 0-1 slams if he had to face prime Federer to win Wimbledon.
     
    #18
  19. KINGROGER

    KINGROGER Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2016
    Messages:
    7,409
    It’s been a weak era since 2014 and reached its weakest point in 2016-2018RG.

    Djokovic coming back into form makes it slightly less weak.
     
    Phoenix1983 likes this.
    #19
  20. Sabratha

    Sabratha Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    23,282
    Murray would be SLAMLESS if he had to play in their era.

    Hewitt and Roddick would've probably won slams if they peaked when Mugray did. Lmao at your double standard logic.

    "Pre-Big 3 Era". Murray beat legitimate mugs for one of his slams and Djokovic who gave two away to him like he did with Wawrinka. Stop BSing and just admit the truth.
     
    Devin, VolleyHelena and KINGROGER like this.
    #20
  21. Bender

    Bender G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2010
    Messages:
    10,477
    Location:
    weak era
    Needs more deep fry
     
    Firstservingman likes this.
    #21
  22. MasterZeb

    MasterZeb Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    2,655
    Location:
    Raonic's sleeve
    Depends if Djokovic wins. If not, then no. The moment Djokovic wins a slam, strong era will start
     
    #22
  23. Spencer Gore

    Spencer Gore Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2017
    Messages:
    685
    Location:
    London
    Weak Era 2 has officially come to an end. Sadly, we probably have a year or two before Weak Era 3 when Federer’s legs finally give up.
     
    #23
  24. Hyde

    Hyde Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    210
    The weak era will Start when Zverev and Coric are the best players on the tour.

    There wasn‘t a weak era in the last few years. People only think this because the standard was set so high at the beginning of the 2010‘s.
    But compared with the first half of 2010‘s, every era in history is a weak era.
     
    #24
  25. YetAnotherFedFan

    YetAnotherFedFan Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2014
    Messages:
    5,807
    Location:
    Looking for tennis ball in the foliage
    The weak era argument is a fallacy at the best of times, but raving on about it after one of the greatest matches ever looks mind numbingly stupid.
     
    AnOctorokForDinner likes this.
    #25
  26. Deine VS

    Deine VS New User

    Joined:
    May 11, 2017
    Messages:
    40
    Well....when you have Federer, Nadal, Djokovic at there on level it's easy to see other players as mugs.
    We are spoiled.
     
    #26
  27. tennisenthusiast

    tennisenthusiast Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2011
    Messages:
    2,737
    Yes, time for puny era.
     
    #27
  28. Djorau

    Djorau Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2018
    Messages:
    136
    Nadal today is 10 times better than someone like Phillippoussis
     
    #28
  29. helterskelter

    helterskelter Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2013
    Messages:
    5,721
    I was about to ask you, "Where are the RaoMUGs of yesteryear?" Good to see they are hanging in there, injury and muggery notwithstanding.

    For what it's worth, Rusedski actually did make a major final, albeit at the US Open. 1997 was when the strong era of the mid-1990s began to fall away, leaving us with old guys Sampras and Agassi dominating a bunch of young MUGs until 2001, or in majors really 2002.
     
    #29
  30. FederErizeD

    FederErizeD Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    1,601
    Location:
    Weak Era
    Watch Anderson win it all
     
    #30
  31. Sabratha

    Sabratha Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    23,282
    1996 was when everything started going bad. Not '97.
     
    #31
  32. Jonas78

    Jonas78 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2016
    Messages:
    3,775
    Djoko alone is definetly not enough to go from weak to strong, i wouldnt say the 4 semifinalists is a sign of a strong era. I agree it's been getting weaker ever sinse 2013. Glad Federer could add 3 more slams, but Im waiting for the NextGen now, it's time.
     
    #32
  33. helterskelter

    helterskelter Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2013
    Messages:
    5,721
    I guess so. But it got much worse in 1997 and 1998.
     
    #33
  34. Sabratha

    Sabratha Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    23,282
    1998 was the joke year of all joke years. 1996 was the start though, with Washington making a GS final and Agassi starting to fall off. It was also Becker's last stand.
     
    #34
  35. Thomas195

    Thomas195 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2016
    Messages:
    627
    1997 was the low point.

    1998 Wimbledon was actually strong. Henman, Sampras, Ivanisevic, Krajicek in SF. Sampras would have preferred facing Agassi/Rafter in a Wimbledon final over Ivanisevic/Krajicek.
     
    #35
  36. msc886

    msc886 Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2008
    Messages:
    921
    Hewitt and Roddick are like Federer and Djokovic at the French Open. They ran into all-time greats at their primes.
     
    #36
  37. HipRotation

    HipRotation Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2014
    Messages:
    2,247
    There's no such thing as a weak era when Spencer Gore is peak fun posting on here.
     
    #37
  38. IowaGuy

    IowaGuy Professional

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2017
    Messages:
    1,254
    Krajicek was much more athletic than Raonic!

    One of only a few players to have a winning lifetime record against Sampras (6-4).
     
    #38
  39. FatFedererFanTurnsSlim

    FatFedererFanTurnsSlim Rookie

    Joined:
    May 13, 2018
    Messages:
    313
    Location:
    Anyone But Zverev
    INDISPUTABLE DEFINITION OF VARIOUS ERAS

    2003 WIM - Weak Era
    2003 USO - Average Era
    2004 AO, W, USO - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2004 RG - Average Era
    2005 AO - Average Era
    2005 RG - Strong Era
    2005 W, USO - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2006 AO, W, USO - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2006 RG - Strong Era
    2007 AO, W, USO - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2007 RG - Strong Era
    2008 AO, RG, W - Strong Era
    2008 USO - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2009 AO - Strong Era
    2009 RG, W - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2009 USO - Average Era
    2010 AO - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2010 RG, W, USO - Strongestestestestestest Era
    2011 AO, RG, W, USO - Strongestestestestestest Era
    2012 AO, RG - Strong Era
    2012 W - Weak Era
    2012 USO - Strong Era
    2013-2016 - Strongestestestestestest Era
    2017 AO - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2017 RG - Strongestest Era
    2017 W - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2017 USO - Strongestestest Era
    2018 AO - Weakestestestestestest Era
    2018 RG - Strongestestest Era
    2018 W - Strong Era
    2018 USO - Will depend on what Weak Era champion
    (A player who'd suck in any other era but by having a superior H2H to said weak era champion, strong era champions become GOAT contenders)
    does. Since it's hard for weak era champion to win on the WACAdasa hlay surface it's likely to remain strong era.
     
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2018 at 12:07 AM
    AnOctorokForDinner and Zeref like this.
    #39
  40. Kuclas

    Kuclas New User

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2017
    Messages:
    30
    What?

    2006 Agassi was done. Stick a fork in him done. His back was killing him.

    Federer is no where near 2006 Agassi. More like 2003 Agassi who still won the 2003 Australian open and became than at that time oldest number 1 player at age 33.

    Federer won the Australian this year. Made finals of masters 1000. And if not for a couple of points against Anderson would likely be in the Wimbledon finals.
     
    #40
  41. ewiewp

    ewiewp Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2018
    Messages:
    385
    Its a fallacy to argue weak era based on subjective quality of players.

    But 5-6 top 10 players getting injured at the same time, which is very rare.

    Its a freak accident.

    At least, i don't recall that happened in the past in 30 years ive been following pro tennis.

    But Nadal can win FO in weak era or not, i think.
     
    #41
  42. Sudacafan

    Sudacafan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2017
    Messages:
    4,769
    Location:
    Undisclosed, somewhere in South America
    You could never write something on which I would agree 100%.
     
    #42
  43. ewiewp

    ewiewp Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2018
    Messages:
    385
    Also, the dawn of powerbaseline era,2003-2004. (Was this beginning of weak era 1?).

    Beginning 2003-2004, ATP system fundamentally changed.
    Surfaces, Tournaments, Ranking, seeding systems. All changed at short span of time.

    I don't recall such a big change since beginning of open era 1969.
     
    #43
  44. Druss

    Druss Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Messages:
    2,565
    Location:
    Australia
    Wrong!
    2003 Agassi was far better. That year was actually quite competitive. Federer's level dropped significantly since the AO/Sunshine double of 2017. His level at Wimby last year was also a fair bit lower than the AO of that same year, and this year he's dropped even lower. He only got to the QF at SW19 thanks to a cakewalk draw and LOL about Anderson. Davydenko and Nalbandian would have caned Anderson. The fact that Isner and Anderson were in the SF shows how weak this era is. If Djoko wasn't pushed to the limits by Nadal in the SF, thus having a day's less rest, he'd be bagelling and breadsticking the lanky South African.

    I bet you every dollar I have, that Roddick would have been watching this Wimbledon, seeing Fed playing and would be kicking himself and thinking to himself, "why didn't I get this version of Roger back in my day"....2017/18 Wimbledon and 2018 AO Federer would have been clobbered by Roddick.
     
    Red Rick likes this.
    #44
  45. merlinpinpin

    merlinpinpin Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    3,946
    You mean the same Rusedski who made a US Open final during the Sampras "strong era", or was it his grandma?
     
    #45
  46. Sabratha

    Sabratha Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    23,282


    Roddick is legit underrated around here. Compared to Baghdatis. LOL.
     
    #46
  47. Druss

    Druss Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Messages:
    2,565
    Location:
    Australia
    Exactly! Glad you brought Ancic up....a Mr Anderson equivalent.
     
    Sabratha likes this.
    #47
  48. Sabratha

    Sabratha Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    23,282
    I was watching the 2005 Wimbledon final (again) and I noticed how many chances Roddick actually had to turn the tide of the match. Fed was just too clutch for him.

    Put today's Fed up against him and he'd have won in 4 sets (even 2005 Wimbledon Roddick).
     
    Red Rick and Druss like this.
    #48
  49. Raining hopes

    Raining hopes Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2018
    Messages:
    918
    Fraud has lost,of course it is strong era again.It will continue till Fraud win another title.Then Suddenly will be weak era once more.
     
    #49
  50. Devin

    Devin Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    489
    Roddick didn't play too well from the ground, but he served well (71%), and yet Federer was still able to break him numerous times.

    Federer had great competition in his prime though. He had two of his toughest slam draws in 2004, and difficult opponents in 2007. 2005 featured some great matches against Hewitt too. 2006 was relatively weak compared to those years, but he still won the USO beating two in form players and Wimbledon by beating Ancic (who played well but Federer was just too good) and Nadal (who was always underrated on grass during that year).
     
    #50

Share This Page