Is Wimbledon overrated?

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  1. SystemicAnomaly

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    Sour grapes from Lendl? Ivan won the singles title at RG (3x), USO (2x) and AO (2x) but never at SW19. Seems he was unable to win any slam event on grass. He made it to only 1 AO final when it was still played on grass (til 1987). His 2 AO titles came after '88 (when it switched over to Rebound Ace hard courts). Made 2 finals on the grass at Wimbledon but never won it.

    Bah, humbug. Novak is a known complainer. He also complained about blue clay. As did Rafa and Uncle Toni. Some players are just difficult to please. Roger didn't seem to mind it. And even tho' the slower grass this year at Wimbledon was not ideal for him, he still managed to prevail.
     
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    Where did you get that from? Lawn tennis started back around 1859 or so. Except for RG, the majors all started on grass. It's been some 140 years of lawn tennis for Wimbledon. 94 years on grass for the USO and 83 years for the AO.


    Laughable. Not so in this universe. Are you visiting from some parallel world?

    In what way has it been in decline? The men's singles finals of 2008 and 2009 are among the best of all time. The finals of 2012, 2014 & 2015 weren't too shabby either. And then there were many outstanding matches leading up to the finals in the past decade on both the men's and women's side. In decline???
     
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    Wimbledon is the most prestigious tennis tournament on the planet.

    Its uniqueness has been preserved, since it is now the only major tournament which is played on grass. The all-white tradition, strawberries and cream, Pimm's, the Royal Box....all symbolize the pinnacle of tennis achievement.

    It is therefore appropriate that the King of tennis, Roger Federer, has the most titles at SW19.

    Nadal and Novak Djokovic, mere princes, are free to hold records at lesser venues.
     
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    True, but what great or near great player did Roger beat to win this Wimbledon? The same is true with Rafa in this year's FO. Both were a bit lucky that Novak and Murray were having an off year. Of course, this is not Roger or Rafa's fault, but still a fact. Wimbledon IS overrated, especially since it is the only grass tournament most players compete in these days.
     
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    You keep telling that to yourself and, who know's, maybe one day you'll come to believe it. ;)

    I could be wrong, but I'm beginning to get the sense that you're not a fan of Wimbledon. :cool:
     
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    Wimbledon is the most prestigious tournament in tennis, full stop.
     
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    No,and I dare to say it is way underrated by certain individuals on this forum.

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    It is the most prestigious tournament in the world and will always be.

    Grass is for GOATs.
     
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    The tournament was uninteresting from the beginning to the end, so it was very disappointing. The final was a big stinker as far as entertainment/tennis value goes, the only good thing to come out of that tournament was #19 for RF. From a tennis stand point, this year's AO was a lot more interesting because we had some great matches in both the 1st and 2nd week, and then the 2 legends of our sport made the final, which then turned into an epic 5 setter, which will be remembered by the tennis community for a very long time. The FO wasn't very interesting either, only match that provided some entertainment value to me was the Wawrinka/Murray SF however that was quick forgotten because of the disappointing final that followed. Much like this year's Wimbledon will be remembered for #8 for Federer, FO will best be remembered for "La Decima" for Rafa, and not the matches that were played.

    Is Wimbledon overrated? I don't think so. It's not the tournament's fault that logic wasn't followed and that top seeds lost earlier than expected which prevented us from having really interesting SF/F matches. Had Murray/Djokovic/Nadal not lost before the SF, we would probably have a very different conversation today.
     
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    Yes, in decline because grass used to be played a lot more all over the world until the 80s. Today only a very few tournaments are played on grass, and many many more are played on hard and clay. Wimbledon is like a old fashioned tournament from another time which is still trying to stay actual and relevant. They need to hang onto their past, but in all honesty they do not deserve the title of greatest anymore. Things have changed, e.g. the AO which used to be a minor slam, has become in the past 10-15 years one of the best and most enjoyable slams to play and watch. Wimbledon is old-fashioned, arrogant and awkward, and their courts are just horrible to look at and play on after just a few days.
     
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    I mostly agree with what you said, but I realized I was not being clear enough when I said "overrated". I was not so much talking about the quality of the matches (although to some degree if counts too) but more about the fact that Wimbledon is overrated for being constantly presented as the best tournament in the world, as all the pundits and commentators want us to believe. There was maybe a time that was true, when grass was a relevant surface with many more tournaments played on grass, but today grass has become a minor surface, superseeded by hard and clay, and that makes Wimbledon way overrated in the modern era.
     
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    No,it isn't
     
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    Do you arbitrary pull such measuring sticks out of your derriere or is it just for Wimbledon?

    How about the fact that Wimbledon requires qualities that are much closer to the original qualities required from a tennis player to win tennis matches since the inception of the modern tennis than any other of the Majors?


    It is that sort of thinking that leads to the creation of useless tennis players from the type that Federer criticizes.

    :cool:
     
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    Its a weak era, the tournaments are not the problem.
     
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    Depends of the way you want to see it I'll guess. I fully agree that grass isn't as relevant as it once was given the little amount of time allocated to that surface in the schedule, which is a shame IMO. However, if I had to pick one tournament that epitomizes what tennis is all about, Wimbledon is first thing that comes to mind. The classy, gentleman like image associated to tennis as well the time honored tradition are at their peak at Wimbledon, given that it's one of the, if not the oldest tournament on tour. Some may not see eye to eye with some of the traditions, and I include myself in there, but it's what sets it apart from the rest of the tournaments, as well as being on grass which as you said is so rare these days. All of this adds to it's prestige which is one of the many reasons why people see it as the most important one. Each major is special in it's own way, but for me Wimbledon is the most important, closely followed by the USO.
     
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    This is not in keeping with your previous statement. You indicated that the (Wimbledon) tournament was in decline. Now you are saying something quite different.

    Also, the very fact the SW19 remains the only slam left played on grass makes it important. It serves to provide us with a connection to the game played by Laver, Emerson, Gonzales, Ashe and numerous other past champions. Connors played 9 of his slam finals on the grass of Wimbledon, the AO and the USO. Sadly, technology has already changed the game way too much as it is. The S&V game has become all too rare on non-grass events. Must we destroy all connections to the tennis of the past and homogenize the court surfaces? The game of tennis has already lost some of the diversity it once had. Let's not completely eradicate it.
     
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    He is kidding, fcs.

    He is quoting Tio Toni, btw.
     
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    A little scrappy here today boys? A lot of butt hurt as the King again emphasizes his dominance...
     
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    Its not..!!! Players arnt used to playing on grass and dont invest any practice time on the surface.
     
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    I enjoy Federer's brand of time-robbing ultra aggressive baseline play mixed with all-court skills and net play, and Wimbledon is where that style flourishes. So no, this was an excellent Wimbledon for me.
     
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    Only previous 2 years were boring due to the easy finals, but RG was the same this year. At least Fed is still amazing to watch.

    Most Wimbledons since 03 (when Fed won) have been better and more exciting than RG by far.
     
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    No, don't worry, just for Wimbledon, and just because you seem to be involved in some ways.
     
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    No, read again what I said, and you'll see it's consistent. I never said Wimbledon should be eradicated, only that it is overrated for the reasons explained earlier!
     
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    So I guess you're judging Wimbledon (and its hallowed history) merely on one year, 2017? Because this year happened to be anti-climatic and an "easy" win for the victor, means the prior 140 years of this event just sort of fade away? :oops: You're disappointed in one single year and you relegate it to "overrated?"

    Wimbledon is THE tournament on the tennis calendar and that's not changing. The only player I have ever known to have said they wanted to win some another tournament above Wimbledon was Roddick, and that was after he'd won the USO and lost several Wimbledon finals to Roger. Nole, Andy, Nadal, Lendl, Connors, Borg, Laver, Rosewall... ad infinitum all are on record as saying the tournament they most want(ed) to win was Wimbledon. It's not overrated, it's justly regarded universally as the most important and prestigious event on the tennis calendar.
     
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    But you did say that Wimbledon (not grass) was in decline:

     
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    I would not say that Wimbledon is "overrated," however this year's Championships were pretty boring personally even though I am very happy for Roger and wouldn't want anybody else to win. Australian Open has hands down been the best Slam of the year with the French behind it. I think this has to do with the match-ups, Fed was the only one of the big four to make it to the semis. Wawrinka went out early and I wish we saw more of A. Zverev, Kyrgios, Nishikori, and Theim. Hopefully, these players have long runs at the USO this year
     
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    Yes, it is the one that the majority of the legends wants. Borg often spoke about how he valued his Wimbledon titles over his RG titles, Sampras spoke about how it is the biggest event in the sport, Agassi even gave the nod and said he puts Wimbledon ahead of USO, Rafter always dreamed of winning Wimbledon, Goran lived and breathed to hold that title just once, Lendl despite saying grass is for cows went onto skip RG just so he could win Wimbledon and built an exact replica in his back yard to practice on and finally admitted how much he wanted the title. Federer has said nothing beat being Wimbledon champion for the year, not even being world number one. And the list goes on and on.
     
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    Even the Clay Goat stated in his biography that his uncle told him from an early age that Wimbledon was the one to win.
     
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    What is the seen as the greatest moment in the careers of the two clay GOATs Nadal and Borg?

    Winning a five set epic in the final of Wimbledon....
     
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    Agassi... believe he boycotted the Grandfatherâ„¢ for a couple of years. And this over the dress code, I believe? Fortunate for him they had no restriction on covert wigs!
     
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    DO you really believe this crap? Of course they have to be PC and please Wimbledon, but they say that all all GS. Nadal and Lendl didn't play Wimbledon on some years. Nevermind, it seems that you, and some other posters here, do not understand the meaning of overrated. Overrated and "universally regarded as most important and prestigious" are not mutually exclusive, in fact all the contrary here.
     
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    Good joke! Everyone knows that for Nadal (and maybe Borg too) the most important tournament is the French Open.
     
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    I agree totally. On one hand I really appreciate what Wimbledon and the British have provided and brought to the world. On the other hand, obviously they are behind the times and they do this song and dance. I say switch to artificial grass (some quality tennis focused turf) if that's possible. Playing that long of a tournament on grass is like playing with wooden racquets - to keep the tradition.
     
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    yes, once more, everything you said proves that you agree with the fact that Wimbledon is overrated.

    Overrated:
    to have a higher opinion of (someone or something) than is deserved.

    to give another example, you could also say that Murray is overrated as world #1 or best tennis player in the world.
     
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    Federer.

    Some people.

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    It's Roland Garros that's overrated. Calling a clay tournament a slam is like calling a dirt road a highway.
     
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    The Lendl argument cemented the impression that some people have mashed peas instead of brains.

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    Wimby is great, but AO and USO and my favourites (in that order)

    There's something magical about those azure-blue hardcourts with the deafening crowds. Amazing.

    And many of my favourite ever matches have been played at AO/USO. AO 2009/2017 were the greatest
     
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    Lol Nadal fans have only liked Wimbledon from 2008-2010, true tennis fans actually respect all majors and don't call any "overrated"
     
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    If you ask any tennis pro which tournament they want to win if they could win just one the overwhelming majority are going to say Wimbledon. You will have a few homers stating their home tournament, but otherwise Wimbledon it is. Far and away.
     
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    But they mostly did not let the ball bounce then, so the comparison is beside the point.

     
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    so we all agree, right? Wimbledon is the most talked about and praised of all tournaments despite the fact that it is so old fashioned, inadequate with the modern world, and that it has the worst courts of any slam, therefore it is OVERRATED!
     
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    "If people don't like playing tennis in a trench after a week, maybe they should rush the net."
    If they did that, the net area will also become a trench.
     
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    No, the net area would become like that if they spent as much time there as they do at the baseline. If play was more balanced out then the grass would wear more evenly.
     
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    It's the greatest tournament in the world. The one that everyone wants to win most.

    God save the Queen.
     
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    The hard court slams are the most competitive seeing as there are less clay and grass specialists than ever.
     
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    I like Wimby because off less on court distractions. Hate the tasteless upper class brass aesthetics off court.

    Bauhaus tennis FTW.
     
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