Is Zverev 2017 the new Djokovic 2007?

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
A up-and-coming rising star making breakthrough wins on the big stage and even taking out Roger Federer. Sounds like we're talking about 2007, the year before the 12-time Grand Slam champion made his mark, but this year, a new face is gracing the tennis courts on the world stage. Alexander Zverev.

Zverev, the 20 year old German first made splashes at St. Petersburg, defeating 2-time Grand Slam champion Stan Wawrinka in the final and No. 9 Berdych in the semifinal. Since then, he's defeated numerous Top-10 players and lived up to his hype when he defeated 12-time Grand Slam champion Novak Djokovic in the Rome 2017 final. After that, he made his mark again when he defeated the great Roger Federer in the Canadian Open final, winning his second Masters title of the year and guaranteeing himself a spot in the Top 10 at the end of the year.

This performance reminds many of Djokovic only a decade prior. Djokovic, another 20 year-old still had to make his mark on tennis. He did so in 2007 when he won the Adelaide Open before the Australian Open, where he made it to the 4th round. Djokovic really produced results immediately following Melbourne, reaching the final of Indian Wells, only losing out to the World #2 at the time, Rafael Nadal. After that impressive showing, Djokovic took it even further with a stunning performance in Miami, beating Nadal en route to the title.

After an slightly less impressive clay season and grass season, with many semifinals and quarterfinals, Djokovic returned to his preferred surface- hard. He immediately won the Canadian Open by beating Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer en route to his second Masters title of the year. Djokovic only took this as further motivation, reaching the US open finals and losing to Federer in the finals.

Now, I see great parallels between the two young guns so far.

Djokovic and Zverev both won 2 Masters at 20 years old, beating Federer in one of the finals.
Djokovic and Zverev both cracked the top 10 at 20 years old.
Djokovic and Zverev both had more than 5 wins against the top 10 at 20 years old.
Djokovic and Zverev both won the Canadian Open for their 2nd Masters.

However, Zverev still falls short in some departments-

Zverev has never reached the quarterfinals of a slam. Djokovic had reached 2 semifinals and a quarterfinal by the time he won his second Masters.
Zverev has never beaten the World No. 1 and No. 2 en route to a title. Djokovic did in Montreal.
Zverev has yet to dominate his generation, Djokovic was schooling Murray even in the beginning, doing so both times he won a Masters in 2007.

I think 2017 will be a similar year for Zverev as it was for Djokovic, but Djokovic was ahead in the slams. Comparing their slam results, I estimate we see Zverev reach the Semis of the US Open this year and the Semis/Final of the Australian Open. He may win his first slam in 2018.

Thoughts?
 

Waspsting

Hall of Fame
hmmm...

Zverev has the results, like Djoko did in 2007

Zverev is the hottest thing in tennis in a long time - which isn't necessarily saying much

The difference is... I took one look at Djokovic and thought, "This guy is the goods". I don't claim to have foreseen what Djokovic has gone on to accomplish, but it wouldn't have shocked me to hear it that he would... he was an outstanding talent, by any standard, within any strength of field and in any time period

Zverev... he's good, but he's no Novak Djokovic. The 2007-08 versions of Federer and Nadal that Djoko was cutting his teeth on... would probably have chewed Zverev up.

Put another way, if 2007 Djoko were here now or Zverev now was in 2007... we'd only notice Djokovic as the one with great potential, Zverev would be a, "yeah, he ain't bad either" case
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Very good comparison.
Hope Sasha stays injury free.

And slams are coming for Sasha. He has needed more strength for his height, and its happening.
 
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Deleted member 688153

Guest
Father time might be undefeated, but Fed's got him on the ropes for sure.
 
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Deleted member 733170

Guest
I like Zverev and wish his career well.

The fact remains however is that in his two Masters final's victories this year, his opponents were seriously underwhelming.

He needs a slam victory, which may come soon, but then again maybe not.
 

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic was clearly superior in the Slams, only Fedal beat him in 2007. His roads to Masters titles were tougher as well IMO.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I see insane level of talent . He has all the tools , extremely disciplined , consistent and rising up at such an young age.

He is clearly a level ahead of his competitors.

Would be very surprised if he does not get around 8-12 majors.
 

Roddick85

Hall of Fame
I can understand the comparison, but talent wise I don't think Zverev measures up to Djokovic. Back then, Djokovic had to compete with 2 ATG at their peak (Fedal) which helped him become the player we know today. Zverev doesn't have to contend with that, even though the same 2 ATG are still on tour, they're nowhere near as dominant as before. Would "2007 Djokovic" handle current Fedal better than Zverev did this year? I think so.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Not even close. Djokovic was a factor at slams, whereas Zverev can't win a big Bo5 match to save his life, and Djokovic did in a time when the ATP was in a better state than it is now.

2007 Djokovic would be the big favorite at the AO and USO and a small favorite at Wimbledon for me.
 

Neil_Fedfan

Rookie
Besides the two masters win, Djokovic's results were:
AO : R4, RG: SF, Wim: SF, USO: F losing twice each to the then #1 & #2 and a prime version of Fedal.

Zverev looks impressive outside slams but in slams, he has been quite subpar. I actually think that Djokovic of 2007 would win this year's USO quite comfortably.
 

reaper

Legend
He's probably below Djokovic at the same age, but we'll find out in a couple of weeks if he's equal to Del Potro 2009. My recollection is that Del Potro had a strong end to 2008, as Zverev did in 2016, then secured the USO at the back end of 2017.
 
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Charlie

Guest
Djokovic was clearly superior in the Slams, only Fedal beat him in 2007. His roads to Masters titles were tougher as well IMO.
That's an understatement. Imagine having to beat Nalbandian, Roddick, Nadal and Federer in succession to win a Masters. Well Djokovic doesn't need to, he actually did that. That run makes a mockery of most other Masters runs that happened in the last 10 years, not just Zverev's.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
He's probably below Djokovic at the same age, but we'll find out in a couple of weeks if he's equal to Del Potro 2009. My recollection is that Del Potro had a strong end to 2008, as Zverev did in 2016, then secured the USO at the back end of 2017.
Except Delpo had a strong showing in the majors in 09, losing to Federer twice before finally breaking through against him at the USO. Zverev hasn't come very close to Delpo's QF and SF results before winning.
 

reaper

Legend
Except Delpo had a strong showing in the majors in 09, losing to Federer twice before finally breaking through against him at the USO. Zverev hasn't come very close to Delpo's QF and SF results before winning.

That's certainly true. I don't doubt Zverev's quality as a player is good enough to win the USO given the depleted field but there's a question mark on his stamina.
 

ultradr

Legend
I see insane level of talent . He has all the tools , extremely disciplined , consistent and rising up at such an young age.

He is clearly a level ahead of his competitors.

Would be very surprised if he does not get around 8-12 majors.

If "talent" include physical specimen, yes. He is 6'6" but hits great and moves great.

But in terms of hitting/striking the ball, I'm not so sure yet.
He serves great but sometimes I feel like there could be a lot of 6"6" who can serve better.
And I feel like I see a lot of arm swing in all of his strokes, including serve, not much trunk rotation.
He may not need it, since he has enormous physicality.
But hsi stroke mechanism does not look that efficient overall to me you know.....

He kinda reminds me of Del Potro but Del Potro has great reflex and hands with great touch.
I have not seen those from A Zverev yet.
 
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The similarities are there for sure, but he really needs to step it up in the slams big time, the way Djokovic stepped up in 2007. He has a golden opportunity at this years final slam, by the fact he has a top seeding and a lot of the players are either off or just not fully fit to play.
 

-snake-

Hall of Fame
Nah, Djokovic had it tougher. Z went through a bunch of mugs+ Backerer/Elbowic to get his M1000s. Lest we forget he got breadsticked by RaoMUG of all people at Wimby.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
hmmm...

Zverev has the results, like Djoko did in 2007

Zverev is the hottest thing in tennis in a long time - which isn't necessarily saying much

The difference is... I took one look at Djokovic and thought, "This guy is the goods". I don't claim to have foreseen what Djokovic has gone on to accomplish, but it wouldn't have shocked me to hear it that he would... he was an outstanding talent, by any standard, within any strength of field and in any time period

Zverev... he's good, but he's no Novak Djokovic. The 2007-08 versions of Federer and Nadal that Djoko was cutting his teeth on... would probably have chewed Zverev up.

Put another way, if 2007 Djoko were here now or Zverev now was in 2007... we'd only notice Djokovic as the one with great potential, Zverev would be a, "yeah, he ain't bad either" case
I completely agree, and I say that as a Zverev fan.

He's exciting. He's very good. But I don't think he will be a top 3 ATG like Novak is. But no young player should be judged by that standard.
 

Shank Volley

Hall of Fame
Ehh... I wouldn't say that exactly. Zverev is as good as you need to be on today's tour but I don't think he's anywhere near the same level. At least not yet.
 

every7

Hall of Fame
A up-and-coming rising star making breakthrough wins on the big stage and even taking out Roger Federer. Sounds like we're talking about 2007, the year before the 12-time Grand Slam champion made his mark, but this year, a new face is gracing the tennis courts on the world stage. Alexander Zverev.

Zverev, the 20 year old German first made splashes at St. Petersburg, defeating 2-time Grand Slam champion Stan Wawrinka in the final and No. 9 Berdych in the semifinal. Since then, he's defeated numerous Top-10 players and lived up to his hype when he defeated 12-time Grand Slam champion Novak Djokovic in the Rome 2017 final. After that, he made his mark again when he defeated the great Roger Federer in the Canadian Open final, winning his second Masters title of the year and guaranteeing himself a spot in the Top 10 at the end of the year.

This performance reminds many of Djokovic only a decade prior. Djokovic, another 20 year-old still had to make his mark on tennis. He did so in 2007 when he won the Adelaide Open before the Australian Open, where he made it to the 4th round. Djokovic really produced results immediately following Melbourne, reaching the final of Indian Wells, only losing out to the World #2 at the time, Rafael Nadal. After that impressive showing, Djokovic took it even further with a stunning performance in Miami, beating Nadal en route to the title.

After an slightly less impressive clay season and grass season, with many semifinals and quarterfinals, Djokovic returned to his preferred surface- hard. He immediately won the Canadian Open by beating Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer en route to his second Masters title of the year. Djokovic only took this as further motivation, reaching the US open finals and losing to Federer in the finals.

Now, I see great parallels between the two young guns so far.

Djokovic and Zverev both won 2 Masters at 20 years old, beating Federer in one of the finals.
Djokovic and Zverev both cracked the top 10 at 20 years old.
Djokovic and Zverev both had more than 5 wins against the top 10 at 20 years old.
Djokovic and Zverev both won the Canadian Open for their 2nd Masters.

However, Zverev still falls short in some departments-

Zverev has never reached the quarterfinals of a slam. Djokovic had reached 2 semifinals and a quarterfinal by the time he won his second Masters.
Zverev has never beaten the World No. 1 and No. 2 en route to a title. Djokovic did in Montreal.
Zverev has yet to dominate his generation, Djokovic was schooling Murray even in the beginning, doing so both times he won a Masters in 2007.

I think 2017 will be a similar year for Zverev as it was for Djokovic, but Djokovic was ahead in the slams. Comparing their slam results, I estimate we see Zverev reach the Semis of the US Open this year and the Semis/Final of the Australian Open. He may win his first slam in 2018.

Thoughts?

Very astute observations. They are not exactly the same, but you mention the slight differences in your analysis.

Will be interesting to see how their careers align later. There is a good chance Zverev will have a very different type of competition at his peak to what Djokovic had during his peak years.
 

Zetty

Hall of Fame
2007 Djokovic was better in Slams though.
Given the current tennis landscape, Zverev is good, but not quite 2007-2008 Djokovic.
This, his slam results are lacking. And he just doesn't seem as flexible as Djokovic, though he has shown the ability to move very well for a big guy. I'd compare him more with Del Potro of 2009. We'll see if he has a greater constitution than Delpo.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
A up-and-coming rising star making breakthrough wins on the big stage and even taking out Roger Federer. Sounds like we're talking about 2007, the year before the 12-time Grand Slam champion made his mark, but this year, a new face is gracing the tennis courts on the world stage. Alexander Zverev.

Zverev, the 20 year old German first made splashes at St. Petersburg, defeating 2-time Grand Slam champion Stan Wawrinka in the final and No. 9 Berdych in the semifinal. Since then, he's defeated numerous Top-10 players and lived up to his hype when he defeated 12-time Grand Slam champion Novak Djokovic in the Rome 2017 final. After that, he made his mark again when he defeated the great Roger Federer in the Canadian Open final, winning his second Masters title of the year and guaranteeing himself a spot in the Top 10 at the end of the year.

This performance reminds many of Djokovic only a decade prior. Djokovic, another 20 year-old still had to make his mark on tennis. He did so in 2007 when he won the Adelaide Open before the Australian Open, where he made it to the 4th round. Djokovic really produced results immediately following Melbourne, reaching the final of Indian Wells, only losing out to the World #2 at the time, Rafael Nadal. After that impressive showing, Djokovic took it even further with a stunning performance in Miami, beating Nadal en route to the title.

After an slightly less impressive clay season and grass season, with many semifinals and quarterfinals, Djokovic returned to his preferred surface- hard. He immediately won the Canadian Open by beating Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer en route to his second Masters title of the year. Djokovic only took this as further motivation, reaching the US open finals and losing to Federer in the finals.

Now, I see great parallels between the two young guns so far.

Djokovic and Zverev both won 2 Masters at 20 years old, beating Federer in one of the finals.
Djokovic and Zverev both cracked the top 10 at 20 years old.
Djokovic and Zverev both had more than 5 wins against the top 10 at 20 years old.
Djokovic and Zverev both won the Canadian Open for their 2nd Masters.

However, Zverev still falls short in some departments-

Zverev has never reached the quarterfinals of a slam. Djokovic had reached 2 semifinals and a quarterfinal by the time he won his second Masters.
Zverev has never beaten the World No. 1 and No. 2 en route to a title. Djokovic did in Montreal.
Zverev has yet to dominate his generation, Djokovic was schooling Murray even in the beginning, doing so both times he won a Masters in 2007.

I think 2017 will be a similar year for Zverev as it was for Djokovic, but Djokovic was ahead in the slams. Comparing their slam results, I estimate we see Zverev reach the Semis of the US Open this year and the Semis/Final of the Australian Open. He may win his first slam in 2018.

Thoughts?
Zverev was very much like a stretch Djokovic earlier in his career. The parallels continue as Zverev is inherently a great defender (for his size). Djokovic is the most similar ATG to Zverev, but now Zverev has a better serve game with just enough of a return to win.:oops: Djoko's balance emphasized return. Zverev's 2nd serve points won on clay and hard courts this year very much like Peakovic.:eek:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
That's certainly true. I don't doubt Zverev's quality as a player is good enough to win the USO given the depleted field but there's a question mark on his stamina.
Zed's surging efficient serve game gives him a chance at 2017 US Open.:p
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Djokovic was clearly superior in the Slams, only Fedal beat him in 2007. His roads to Masters titles were tougher as well IMO.
Zverev's burgeoning serve game will have him ahead of Djoko before too long whose stamina issues held him back for hears to come after 2007.
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
I see insane level of talent . He has all the tools , extremely disciplined , consistent and rising up at such an young age.

He is clearly a level ahead of his competitors.

Would be very surprised if he does not get around 8-12 majors.
I'll be very surprised if he does get so many majors.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Too soon. You are hyping him too soon.
Too late. I should have seen this coming a little earlier; I didn't wake up to the power of the Zedbot until the eve of the Rome final.:oops: Future ATG?
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Did not expect the success on hard courts so soon, so with this everything points to Zverev exploding to the top in 2018.:p
 

Bukmeikara

Legend
Except Delpo had a strong showing in the majors in 09, losing to Federer twice before finally breaking through against him at the USO. Zverev hasn't come very close to Delpo's QF and SF results before winning.

Delpo was the same age as Zverev in 2008 and he had similar results minus the Two Masters. Delpo receive a 6-0 6-0 beating by Roger in Australia 09, thats hardly close. Zverev was close in Australia, the problem being that he drew Rafa early. At RG he played a bad match and at Wimbledon he choked vs a very good player. So from three chances, he failed one time - this is hardly a big enough sample to make big conclusions.
 

BlueClayGOAT

Semi-Pro
Zverev is good. But can we stop comparing 20-year olds with great potential to all-time greats though? Djokovic faced much tougher competition when he was 20. Djokovic was beating Peakerer and almost-peak Rafa in 2007.
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
A up-and-coming rising star making breakthrough wins on the big stage and even taking out Roger Federer. Sounds like we're talking about 2007, the year before the 12-time Grand Slam champion made his mark, but this year, a new face is gracing the tennis courts on the world stage. Alexander Zverev.

Zverev, the 20 year old German first made splashes at St. Petersburg, defeating 2-time Grand Slam champion Stan Wawrinka in the final and No. 9 Berdych in the semifinal. Since then, he's defeated numerous Top-10 players and lived up to his hype when he defeated 12-time Grand Slam champion Novak Djokovic in the Rome 2017 final. After that, he made his mark again when he defeated the great Roger Federer in the Canadian Open final, winning his second Masters title of the year and guaranteeing himself a spot in the Top 10 at the end of the year.

This performance reminds many of Djokovic only a decade prior. Djokovic, another 20 year-old still had to make his mark on tennis. He did so in 2007 when he won the Adelaide Open before the Australian Open, where he made it to the 4th round. Djokovic really produced results immediately following Melbourne, reaching the final of Indian Wells, only losing out to the World #2 at the time, Rafael Nadal. After that impressive showing, Djokovic took it even further with a stunning performance in Miami, beating Nadal en route to the title.

After an slightly less impressive clay season and grass season, with many semifinals and quarterfinals, Djokovic returned to his preferred surface- hard. He immediately won the Canadian Open by beating Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer en route to his second Masters title of the year. Djokovic only took this as further motivation, reaching the US open finals and losing to Federer in the finals.

Now, I see great parallels between the two young guns so far.

Djokovic and Zverev both won 2 Masters at 20 years old, beating Federer in one of the finals.
Djokovic and Zverev both cracked the top 10 at 20 years old.
Djokovic and Zverev both had more than 5 wins against the top 10 at 20 years old.
Djokovic and Zverev both won the Canadian Open for their 2nd Masters.

However, Zverev still falls short in some departments-

Zverev has never reached the quarterfinals of a slam. Djokovic had reached 2 semifinals and a quarterfinal by the time he won his second Masters.
Zverev has never beaten the World No. 1 and No. 2 en route to a title. Djokovic did in Montreal.
Zverev has yet to dominate his generation, Djokovic was schooling Murray even in the beginning, doing so both times he won a Masters in 2007.

I think 2017 will be a similar year for Zverev as it was for Djokovic, but Djokovic was ahead in the slams. Comparing their slam results, I estimate we see Zverev reach the Semis of the US Open this year and the Semis/Final of the Australian Open. He may win his first slam in 2018.

Thoughts?
Was going through my old posts and I found this gem. Time to receive my punishment for believing in Zverev.
 

Raining hopes

Hall of Fame
2007-08 Djokovic if transported in his own stead :
AO victory.(2008 version)

RG -SF/F

WB - Given the draw , finals or even victory.

USO -2007-08 version gets to -SF/F and if Rafa and Fraud aren't in Form even wins it.

Just compare it with Zverev results

So you have a true full of potential youngster Ready to make a run for no.1 ranking and with a chance to win multiple majors.

Then someone who hasn't reached a slam -SF despite a world of hype.



Not to mention that Djokovic's titles were tougher. Someone pointed it out :

Djokovic went through Fedal, Nalbandian and Roddick all in a row. And he didn't LOSE A SET to anyone except Federer. Imagine almost winning the tournament with such a tough draw without losing a set.

Not only that, he won the deciding tiebreak in the final emphatically. Any Next gen would crumble in such a situation.

Not to mention just months later , Novak straightsetted Federer in A SLAM.


And if someone thinks Djokovic was an ATG in the making so next Gen gets a pass,

See Delpo 2009.

QF at AO followed by hair raising performance in RG -SF, then defeating both of FEDAL IN A ROW.

Murray was beating Nadal (Tired or not still it was Nadal 2008 !!) in SFs of a slam. He defeated 2006 Fed in his early years.


I die little inside when I think of how almost all of the top next Gen will end up with more slams than Murray and Delpo.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
A up-and-coming rising star making breakthrough wins on the big stage and even taking out Roger Federer.

Zverev has beaten old, slow Fed, BFD.

Djoker in 2007 in the Canadian final beat peak Fed in a TB in the third. No comparison between Djokovic and Zverev. Djoker is a truly great player, arguably the third or fourth greatest player of all time. Zverev is a joke in comparison at comparable ages. And anyone thinking Zverev will win 5 slams, much less 15, is going full throttle on the pills. Happy trippin'.

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TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Zverev has beaten old, slow Fed, BFD.

Djoker in 2007 in the Canadian final beat peak Fed in a TB in the third. No comparison between Djokovic and Zverev. Djoker is a truly great player, arguably the third or fourth greatest player of all time. Zverev is a joke in comparison at comparable ages. And anyone thinking Zverev will win 5 slams, much less 15, is going full throttle on the pills. Happy trippin'.

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I know, right? What idiot would post that driv... oh.
 

Luka888

Professional
Djokovic was only 20 yo when he played the final of the USO. He was still 20 yo when he won the AO back in 2008. Djokovic had reached the semis at W before retiring against Nadal. Djokovic was also getting to semis of RG etc.

I'm not going to talk about masters and the fact that he was able to def. Roddick, Rafa and Fed in Montreal. #3, #2 and #1. That was in 2007. That is, for younger guys, when people start calling them 'the big 3'.

Zverev is not even close. I know some of you are 'in love' with Zverev but this is just silly. Zverer achieved one QF at RG and he keeps losing in R1, R3, R4, R3, whatever.
 
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