Is Zverev going to have a Chang-like career?

How many Slams do you think Zverev wins?

  • 0

    Votes: 7 20.0%
  • 1

    Votes: 3 8.6%
  • 2

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • 3

    Votes: 5 14.3%
  • 4+

    Votes: 19 54.3%

  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .

BGod

Legend
Michael Chang for those that don't know is a Hall of Famer who won his one and only Slam at 17. He proceeded to make 3 additional Finals but what is believed to have gotten him recognition was his 7 Masters haul.

Now I'm not saying Zverev only wins 1 Slam (maybe he won't win any) but he already has 3 Masters without having even made a Slam quarter. Assume the Slam format isn't changed, not even Bo3 for the first three rounds type of change.

Zverev is already 21, probably doesn't win any Slams this year, so what do you see?
 

sarmpas

Hall of Fame
Chang faced some pretty good to great players in the slam QF, SF and finals he lost during his career (Sampras, Courier, Becker, Edberg, Agassi, Rafter). Age difference between Chang and the established champions at the time was in the case of Becker 5 years and he had his real contemporaries Sampras, Agassi and Courier to deal with.

Age difference between Zverev and Nadal is about 10 years, much more in the case of Federer. So Zverev has 'competition' for slams but nothing like what Chang was up against.
 

Sport

Legend
Michael Chang for those that don't know is a Hall of Famer who won his one and only Slam at 17. He proceeded to make 3 additional Finals but what is believed to have gotten him recognition was his 7 Masters hau
If Michal Chang is a Hall of Famer with only 1 GS, 4 GS finals and a top ranking of #2, then so should be a former world #1 like Juan Carlos Ferrero with 1 GS, 3 GS finals and 3 Davis Cup (he was the most decisive player in the 2000 Davis Cup, the first one conquered in the history of Spain).

The only reason why Chang is "Hall of Famer" is because he is American, and the jury is biased (the Tennis Hall of Fame is located in the United States). There is no way that Chang deserves more to be a Hall of Famer than Ferrero.
 
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I think Zverev will finish his career with more Grand Slam titles compared to Chang, if he maintains his health and fitness, if not, probably around 2 to 3 titles.

For a player of his size (and height), most of them faced injuries later in their career and this could be one of the major hindrances for Zverev.
 

insideguy

Legend
If Michal Chang is a Hall of Famer with only 1 GS, 4 GS finals and a top ranking of #2, then so should be a former would #1 like Juan Carlos Ferrero with 1 GS, 3 GS finals and 3 Davis Cup (he was the most decisive player in the 2000 Davis Cup, the first one conquered in the history of Spain).

The only reason why Chang is "Hall of Famer" is because he is American, and the jury is biased (the Tennis Hall of Fame is located in the United States). There is no way that Chang deserves more to be a Hall of Famer than Ferrero.
Hall of fames in all sports are dumb. Way to many variables. I haven't a clue why Chang is in. Really good career but HOF? Not in my book but I don't write the book.
 
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Deleted member 307496

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If Michal Chang is a Hall of Famer with only 1 GS, 4 GS finals and a top ranking of #2, then so should be a former would #1 like Juan Carlos Ferrero with 1 GS, 3 GS finals and 3 Davis Cup (he was the most decisive player in the 2000 Davis Cup, the first one conquered in the history of Spain).

The only reason why Chang is "Hall of Famer" is because he is American, and the jury is biased (the Tennis Hall of Fame is located in the United States). There is no way that Chang deserves more to be a Hall of Famer than Ferrero.
Or even Carlos Moya for that matter due to longevity despite him having lesser achievements.
 

yokied

Professional
Agree with some of the more sensible posts above. I don't like the guy's style and don't want it to happen, but based on what we've seen already he is likely to win a major. If his forehand improves, and I think it will, he could win a lot more. If his volleying improves, and there's no reason that he can't especially with his family connections, he could unfortunately became an ATG.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Old guy's prediction, having watched Rosewall and Laver on live TV, Gonzales as well. A. Zverev will be a a force for 8 more years. Injuries on that frame style will take their toll and he will have ended his career by 31 as he drifts downwards in the rankings. Other young tennis raptors will have their way with him as he "ages." When this kid is 24 or 25 it should be fun watching him. He will be finished before my 75th birthday:)
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
I dont think so.Zverev will win Slams - whether he will reach double digits - this is hard to predict.It depends in what state the field will be once Federer Nadal and Djokovic retire
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
Chang, Roddick, Ferrero, that's all possible.
Realistically, I'll bet 5.
Don't see him dominating like the Big 3 have. Nobody that tall can maintain top performance day in and day out.
There is no particular player of his age that stands out as his rival. They all can be.
 

BGod

Legend
For all the excuses in saying Fed didn't win his 1st Slam till nearly 22 or Novak not winning his 2nd until 23 they performed and went deeper.

Zverev is 21 and one 4th Round Slam apoearance. Rublev has a Quarter appearance at 19 and Shapovalov got a 4th at 18. Don't forget Chung either.

Then you have Dimitrov, Pouille & even Coric.

To think Zverev is racking up Slams with any certainty is to say Thiem should have done also. I'll bookmark this for sure.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Not likely. IMO, unless something goes drastically wrong, Zverev should win more slams than Chang did.
 

airchallenge2

Professional
I do see him winning 2 or 3 slams, and that's more than Michael. However, I can't imagine him being a number one for more than a year or so. He's just too tall. When was last time we had a really tall player dominating the game the way Roger, Rafa or Nole did?
 

BGod

Legend
I do see him winning 2 or 3 slams, and that's more than Michael. However, I can't imagine him being a number one for more than a year or so. He's just too tall. When was last time we had a really tall player dominating the game the way Roger, Rafa or Nole did?
Never.

Safin in 2000 was closest in peak.
 

FrontHeadlock

Professional
If Michal Chang is a Hall of Famer with only 1 GS, 4 GS finals and a top ranking of #2, then so should be a former world #1 like Juan Carlos Ferrero with 1 GS, 3 GS finals and 3 Davis Cup (he was the most decisive player in the 2000 Davis Cup, the first one conquered in the history of Spain).

The only reason why Chang is "Hall of Famer" is because he is American, and the jury is biased (the Tennis Hall of Fame is located in the United States). There is no way that Chang deserves more to be a Hall of Famer than Ferrero.
Good post.

In fairness to Chang though, he did have 34 titles, which is a ton. And he had almost 200 more match wins than JCF.

My issue with Chang has always been that he's in only because of his 89 RG title. If he loses that, is he still a HOFer? Probably not, and I don't think a HOF case should hinge on 1 match.

But I agree with you that if Chang is in, it's hard to say JCF is out.

There are some other wonky results too, like how is Rafter in (2 majors, 4 major finals, a single week at #1, 2 masters titles, 11 total titles) but Bruguera out (2 majors, 3 major finals, 2 masters titles, 14 total titles)?
 
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King No1e

Legend
Michael Chang for those that don't know is a Hall of Famer who won his one and only Slam at 17. He proceeded to make 3 additional Finals but what is believed to have gotten him recognition was his 7 Masters haul.

Now I'm not saying Zverev only wins 1 Slam (maybe he won't win any) but he already has 3 Masters without having even made a Slam quarter. Assume the Slam format isn't changed, not even Bo3 for the first three rounds type of change.

Zverev is already 21, probably doesn't win any Slams this year, so what do you see?
I see 4-5 Slams. Doubt we'll see any double-digit winners in the next few years, unless Shapovalov's arc follows Federer's
 

BGod

Legend
This might be a fun thread to look at in 5 years if Zverev continues his underwhelming play in Slams.
 
For all the excuses in saying Fed didn't win his 1st Slam till nearly 22 or Novak not winning his 2nd until 23 they performed and went deeper.

Zverev is 21 and one 4th Round Slam apoearance. Rublev has a Quarter appearance at 19 and Shapovalov got a 4th at 18. Don't forget Chung either.

Then you have Dimitrov, Pouille & even Coric.

To think Zverev is racking up Slams with any certainty is to say Thiem should have done also. I'll bookmark this for sure.
One R16 and QF this year at RG. But however you slice it, Zverev's record at the slams pales in front of Fedovic at the same stage and let's not even talk about Nadal. Yeah, I am with you. Have people forgotten about Scud? Looked like a lock for slams and never did win any (and only made two finals in all). The day Zverev wins A slam is when we can talk about how many more he can.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
I voted 2 because I do think that sooner or later he will get his chances. Mainly surprised that 60% think he'll win 4+.

Very good chance that Thiem ends up with more slams.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Dude looks like he'll be chasing Chang's career forever.

Chang at Slams
1 Title in 4 Finals
4 Semifinal Exits
5 Quarter Exits

Zverev at Slams
2 Quarter Exits
He’s only 22. He’ll have outlasted the Big 3 soon. Then the ATP will look like the WTA now.

He’ll end up with at least 5 slams and several Masters. Somebody’s got to win them, right?
 

BGod

Legend
He’s only 22. He’ll have outlasted the Big 3 soon. Then the ATP will look like the WTA now.

He’ll end up with at least 5 slams and several Masters. Somebody’s got to win them, right?
He'll be 23 next April. And when outside of the Novadal Slam winners, when Nadal, Federer, Thiem and Medvedev are the Finalists I don' exactly smell Zverev racking up the titles.

We have to imagine at least 1 more season of the old guard sticking around, and then you have: Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Felix, Shap, Berrettini, Khachanov, Coric, DeMinaur, etc

At this point I don't see anywhere near 5 Slams. The over/under has got to be 2.
 

James P

Hall of Fame
It'll be fun to watch it all shake out after the Big 3 finally fade off into the sunset. Might have one player start dominating or we might have 6-8 players getting 2 or 3 slams apiece over the course of 4-5 seasons. Really hard to read at this point. I'm predicting we'll have a new slam champ, one born in the 90s, by Wimbledon, though. Somebody is going to break through.
 

BGod

Legend
Just read through the Nadal thread about his career being like Chang's.

Hopefully I'm not facing a shellacking 10 years from now. But to be fair, seeing Zverev get more than 4 Slams is becoming a lower and lower bet. If he wins his first in 2020 though, maybe the tide breaks in.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
People here are acting like Chang was some kind of Bozo. He won a slam at 17 and won 34 career titles. He was ranked #2 in the world. If Zverev has a Chang-like career, he will be doing extremely well. People here predicting he'll win 5 slams are being optimistic.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
People can get excited if Zverev makes two
Slam semis in the same year.

Right now, Zverev appears to be headed towards a Davydenko-type of.career. But luckily for Zverev, he won’t run across a peak Federer along the way.

Davydenko was bumped off by peak Fed 4 different times in slams on hard courts. Federer won all four of those events.

Can Zverev win some slams? If he doesn’t have to face peak Fed type of guys, then I think he has a couple in him. Otherwise, look for a Davydenko type of career.
 

Midaso240

Hall of Fame
I don't think he'll win any slams. He peaked earlier than others his age so got better results age 18-22 and people got hyped over him. I'd compare it to Hewitt or Ferrero before Federer ran over the top of them. OK,those two were both slam winners but they also both had more talent than Zverev.
 

papertank

Hall of Fame
I don't think he'll win any slams. He peaked earlier than others his age so got better results age 18-22 and people got hyped over him. I'd compare it to Hewitt or Ferrero before Federer ran over the top of them. OK,those two were both slam winners but they also both had more talent than Zverev.
This is pretty reactionary. He’s had one off year (and off being still finishing #7). Doesn’t mean his peak is already behind him. This year he’s had to learn how to fight and deal with adversity. He showed some pretty good signs towards the end of the season. Would be surprised if next year wasn’t good for him.
 
Sascha is bound to get his mental game together sooner or later, and we know he can grind out as many 5-setters as he can. Once the Zedmeister turns that switch on, sky is the limit.
 

BGod

Legend
This might be a great time stamp. I myself voted 3 when I posted in May of 2018 but if I could redo right now I'd go with 1. Dimitrov still has 0 and his chances are just going lower. What's to say Zverev finishes without a single one right?
 
Probably. I see him winding up with something like 6-7 Masters but only 1 slam and a few slam final losses like Chang did. Although at this point even that might be optimistic. I am not sure he even does that well or not anymore.
 
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