It makes no sense to me why so many Fedal fans suddenly turned into Sinner fans.

It's more like 2020-23. In 2018, Djokovic returned from injury, nobody knew what he had left, hence '18 WB. In 2019, Federer and Djokovic met in the former's favorite surface. And of course 2022, when Djokovic couldn't compete in two slams.

Actually, '20-23 was a lot like '04-07, where Nadal held fort at RG, and one player dominated the other three!

In 2004-07, tennis was played at a ridiculously high level by young Fed. In 2018-23, old Djok managed to stomp the Zedmedpas Ruudblev gen.

While the end result was the same, the dynamics and optics were completely different.
 
Like the title says, it makes no sense to me why so many Fedal fans suddenly turned into Sinner fans.

I get that you guys are delighted about the rise of a young ATG who can finally routinely beat Djokovic to prevent the Serb from winning more Slams and accumulating more weeks at #1.
And to be honest, given his progress and his level relative to the field so far, it seems very likely that he will eventually break all of Djokovic's statistical records. Sounds great to you Fedal fans, right? After years of seeing Djokovic defeat your idols in the biggest matches many times and even take away their most precious records, it feels justified to want to see Djokovic get the taste of his own medicine. I get it.

But then, you should also consider: what if Sinner ends up breaking nearly all of Federer's and Nadal's records too?
The only significant record that I do not see him breaking is Nadal's RG title record (although to be fair, anything related to clay has never been what really bothered Nadal fans over the years).
Other than that, all the other major Fedal records seems to be well within reach.
8 Wimbledon titles? Seems quite doable.
5 USO titles? Even more doable and Sinner may even break Bill Tilden's all-time title record at the USO.
237 consecutive weeks at #1? This one is definitely the toughest, but given that the only one in the world so far who can challenge Sinner is Alcaraz, whose level is surprisingly prone to fluctuating, I would not count on Alcaraz stealing the #1 spot from Sinner anytime soon unless the latter suffers MAJOR illnesses or injuries (which is unlikely, given his access to top-notch physiotherapists and medical staff).
6 ATP Finals? Seems to be the easiest of them all by far, as even Alcaraz is hardly a threat to Sinner on indoor HC.
103 ATP titles? If Sinner maintains his current winning rate over the next 10 years, he might pass 103 ATP titles comfortably, especially if he is motivated enough to play more additional smaller tournaments like 250s and 500s (which he is almost sure to steamroll).
And the list goes on and on.

The point is, Sinner is not just threatening Djokovic's records, but also those of Federer and Nadal. The Big 3 are all under the threat of having their spotlight in history books overtaken by Sinner.

And above all else, here is arguably THE most significant reason why the legacy of Fedal is under threat if Sinner ends up breaking their records: Sinner and Fedal never had to face each other in their primes.
Not even close.
Federer never played a single match against Sinner. And Nadal only played three times against Sinner, but all those matches took place during 2020-2021 (when Sinner was FAR from his prime).
This can really strengthen the argument by Sinner fans that "prime Sinner played at a far higher level than prime Fedal."
It's basically No Limits Fallacy. If prime Fedal have never demonstrated how well they would do against prime Sinner, but if Sinner ends up with better statistics than Fedal, then the only entirely objective way we can compare prime Sinner's level to that of prime Fedal would be to simply compare their dominance in their best tennis seasons – which are measured by statistics. We will never have any data of Sinner's matches against prime Fedal.

Now, this is very different in the case of Djokovic, because even though he did end up statistically surpassing Fedal in the majority of the significant metrics, it is nearly impossible for his fans to reasonably argue that he played at a "far higher level" than prime Fedal – because the Big 3 all played each other in real life countless times and their primes have overlapped in one way or the other. For instance, Djokovic played prime/peak Federer many times and lost much more often than he won. And when Djokovic was in his prime while Federer was well past his, Federer still pushed him to very close matches and sometimes defeated him, even convincingly at times. There is therefore a very strong argument that Federer peaked higher than Djokovic. This is not hypothetical at all. We have those matches in history.
But what about if we were to compare prime Sinner to prime Federer? Oh wait, we can't, because their primes were never remotely close to overlapping. So that gives Sinner fans the luxury to argue all they want that Sinner's prime level is far higher than Federer's, and there really is no objective way for Fedfans to argue against it.
And if Sinner really does end up breaking Fedal's records, there won't be anything stopping him from being unanimously considered better than Fedal. "Matches played against prime Fedal" can never be used against him, unlike Djokovic's case.
Sinner fans have the ultimate No Limits Fallacy card.

Unfortunately, you guys are not helping your idols' legacy at all by siding with Sinner.
If anything, you are only weakening it.
Federer is still the biggest name in tennis. Most Federer fans I think are Alcaraz fans as Alcaraz brings the same wow factor Federer brought in his pomp.

Nadal is widely seen as the Greatest Evernand Nadal fans rested easy after RG 2022. It was job done. Nadal fans are it seems more in the Sinner camp as Alcaraz is a threat to Rafas status as Spains greatest ever sportsman so its natural Rafa fans (I lean more to Alcaraz as it happens) may prefer Sinner.

Djokovic is irrelevant to who Fedal fans now prefer. He isn't remotely close to Sinner or Alcaraz now so Djokovic is respected but its obvious Djokovic is now a shadow of what he was so most are largely ambivalent towards hims as we have seen in the matches he has played this season in terms of fans in the stadium
 
I like Sinner's ball striking.
I like Alcaraz when he looks like he's having fun.
When either are off, they don't have enough to keep me interested.
 
In 2004-07, tennis was played at a ridiculously high level by young Fed. In 2018-23, old Djok managed to stomp the Zedmedpas Ruudblev gen.

While the end result was the same, the dynamics and optics were completely different.
Ridiculously high level, how come Federer only managed one slam post-2011?

In 2004-07, his favorite body bag was Roddick, which didn't prove anything! When Nadal and Djokovic came of age, they took everything away from him!

But I'm not inclined to argue over this with you.
 
Ridiculously high level, how come Federer only managed one slam post-2011?

In 2004-07, his favorite body bag was Roddick, which didn't prove anything! When Nadal and Djokovic came of age, they took everything away from him!

But I'm not inclined to argue over this with you.

why is Djokovic is not able to win against Sinner now ?
 
The number of people here saying Alcaraz's play style is similar to Federer's is a far worse crime than anything related to Federer and Sinner.
 
At RG I was rooting for Alcaraz, at Wimbledon I was for Sinner, in this USO, I want Alcaraz to win.

All that to say that I'd like to see an unpredictable and competitive rivalry.
 
the OP sounds contradictory
fedal fans shall not be glory hunter
fedal are already behind on records
the suggestion that fedal fans turn into sinner fans who wish sinner can pass djoker does not make sense coz it would just add one more player ahead of fedal
 
Looking at lack of new talents gives us a pretty good picture of future
Talents develop differently. A new guy can break through out of nowhere. Look at Fed's record at a young age and then out of a sudden he exploded. Are you tracking all 15-16 years old who could in 5 years become ATGs calibre players and beat Sinneraz?
 
I don't understand why it should be so important to cheer for records never being broken in the first place.

The Big 3 era is over (no matter if Djokovic still wins more Slams or not), and Fedal don't have that many records left anyway. So why not cheering for Sinner and/or Alcaraz if you like them?

I was a Sampras fan back then, and yet later I cheered for Federer breaking his records.

Another example: If you were a Usain Bolt fan, why not still cheering for someone at least coming close to challenge his times one day? Doesn't change the joy you had back then when watching those legends.
 
Many Federer fans like myself can relate to Sinner. The demeanor , class and consistency of Sinner attracts Fed fans, reminds them of peak Fed.

Similarly Alcatraz's endless energy and joyous nature attracts Nadal fans. This Spanish bull reminds them of the earlier Spanish bull.

Isn't that most logical.
And its not about records. Those are anyway far far away

For djokovic fans , they will start looking around when he retires
 
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Talents develop differently. A new guy can break through out of nowhere. Look at Fed's record at a young age and then out of a sudden he exploded. Are you tracking all 15-16 years old who could in 5 years become ATGs calibre players and beat Sinneraz?

Can you name players who are 4-5 years younger than Sinnercraz who you see challenging them?
 
The better question is, why would ANYONE prefer Sinner over Alcaraz? Alcaraz is a 10 times more exciting player to watch. Not to mention that he is an honest, unspoiled kid, who is genuinely likeable. Sinner has the charisma of a dead fish. All the comparisons with Novak are completely ridiculous, telling a lot about the people making them.
 
The better question is, why would ANYONE prefer Sinner over Alcaraz? Alcaraz is a 10 times more exciting player to watch. Not to mention that he is an honest, unspoiled kid, who is genuinely likeable. Sinner has the charisma of a dead fish. All the comparisons with Novak are completely ridiculous, telling a lot about the people making them.

Slay bestie!

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The better question is, why would ANYONE prefer Sinner over Alcaraz? Alcaraz is a 10 times more exciting player to watch. Not to mention that he is an honest, unspoiled kid, who is genuinely likeable. Sinner has the charisma of a dead fish. All the comparisons with Novak are completely ridiculous, telling a lot about the people making them.
It would be a little boring if everyone cheered for the same player though ;)
 
Like the title says, it makes no sense to me why so many Fedal fans suddenly turned into Sinner fans.

I get that you guys are delighted about the rise of a young ATG who can finally routinely beat Djokovic to prevent the Serb from winning more Slams and accumulating more weeks at #1.
And to be honest, given his progress and his level relative to the field so far, it seems very likely that he will eventually break all of Djokovic's statistical records. Sounds great to you Fedal fans, right? After years of seeing Djokovic defeat your idols in the biggest matches many times and even take away their most precious records, it feels justified to want to see Djokovic get the taste of his own medicine. I get it.

But then, you should also consider: what if Sinner ends up breaking nearly all of Federer's and Nadal's records too?
The only significant record that I do not see him breaking is Nadal's RG title record (although to be fair, anything related to clay has never been what really bothered Nadal fans over the years).
Other than that, all the other major Fedal records seems to be well within reach.
8 Wimbledon titles? Seems quite doable.
5 USO titles? Even more doable and Sinner may even break Bill Tilden's all-time title record at the USO.
237 consecutive weeks at #1? This one is definitely the toughest, but given that the only one in the world so far who can challenge Sinner is Alcaraz, whose level is surprisingly prone to fluctuating, I would not count on Alcaraz stealing the #1 spot from Sinner anytime soon unless the latter suffers MAJOR illnesses or injuries (which is unlikely, given his access to top-notch physiotherapists and medical staff).
6 ATP Finals? Seems to be the easiest of them all by far, as even Alcaraz is hardly a threat to Sinner on indoor HC.
103 ATP titles? If Sinner maintains his current winning rate over the next 10 years, he might pass 103 ATP titles comfortably, especially if he is motivated enough to play more additional smaller tournaments like 250s and 500s (which he is almost sure to steamroll).
And the list goes on and on.

The point is, Sinner is not just threatening Djokovic's records, but also those of Federer and Nadal. The Big 3 are all under the threat of having their spotlight in history books overtaken by Sinner.

And above all else, here is arguably THE most significant reason why the legacy of Fedal is under threat if Sinner ends up breaking their records: Sinner and Fedal never had to face each other in their primes.
Not even close.
Federer never played a single match against Sinner. And Nadal only played three times against Sinner, but all those matches took place during 2020-2021 (when Sinner was FAR from his prime).
This can really strengthen the argument by Sinner fans that "prime Sinner played at a far higher level than prime Fedal."
It's basically No Limits Fallacy. If prime Fedal have never demonstrated how well they would do against prime Sinner, but if Sinner ends up with better statistics than Fedal, then the only entirely objective way we can compare prime Sinner's level to that of prime Fedal would be to simply compare their dominance in their best tennis seasons – which are measured by statistics. We will never have any data of Sinner's matches against prime Fedal.

Now, this is very different in the case of Djokovic, because even though he did end up statistically surpassing Fedal in the majority of the significant metrics, it is nearly impossible for his fans to reasonably argue that he played at a "far higher level" than prime Fedal – because the Big 3 all played each other in real life countless times and their primes have overlapped in one way or the other. For instance, Djokovic played prime/peak Federer many times and lost much more often than he won. And when Djokovic was in his prime while Federer was well past his, Federer still pushed him to very close matches and sometimes defeated him, even convincingly at times. There is therefore a very strong argument that Federer peaked higher than Djokovic. This is not hypothetical at all. We have those matches in history.
But what about if we were to compare prime Sinner to prime Federer? Oh wait, we can't, because their primes were never remotely close to overlapping. So that gives Sinner fans the luxury to argue all they want that Sinner's prime level is far higher than Federer's, and there really is no objective way for Fedfans to argue against it.
And if Sinner really does end up breaking Fedal's records, there won't be anything stopping him from being unanimously considered better than Fedal. "Matches played against prime Fedal" can never be used against him, unlike Djokovic's case.
Sinner fans have the ultimate No Limits Fallacy card.

Unfortunately, you guys are not helping your idols' legacy at all by siding with Sinner.
If anything, you are only weakening it.
Yeah makes no sense. It's almost as if it's not about the big 3 this time.
 
Like the title says, it makes no sense to me why so many Fedal fans suddenly turned into Sinner fans.

I get that you guys are delighted about the rise of a young ATG who can finally routinely beat Djokovic to prevent the Serb from winning more Slams and accumulating more weeks at #1.
And to be honest, given his progress and his level relative to the field so far, it seems very likely that he will eventually break all of Djokovic's statistical records. Sounds great to you Fedal fans, right? After years of seeing Djokovic defeat your idols in the biggest matches many times and even take away their most precious records, it feels justified to want to see Djokovic get the taste of his own medicine. I get it.

But then, you should also consider: what if Sinner ends up breaking nearly all of Federer's and Nadal's records too?
The only significant record that I do not see him breaking is Nadal's RG title record (although to be fair, anything related to clay has never been what really bothered Nadal fans over the years).
Other than that, all the other major Fedal records seems to be well within reach.
8 Wimbledon titles? Seems quite doable.
5 USO titles? Even more doable and Sinner may even break Bill Tilden's all-time title record at the USO.
237 consecutive weeks at #1? This one is definitely the toughest, but given that the only one in the world so far who can challenge Sinner is Alcaraz, whose level is surprisingly prone to fluctuating, I would not count on Alcaraz stealing the #1 spot from Sinner anytime soon unless the latter suffers MAJOR illnesses or injuries (which is unlikely, given his access to top-notch physiotherapists and medical staff).
6 ATP Finals? Seems to be the easiest of them all by far, as even Alcaraz is hardly a threat to Sinner on indoor HC.
103 ATP titles? If Sinner maintains his current winning rate over the next 10 years, he might pass 103 ATP titles comfortably, especially if he is motivated enough to play more additional smaller tournaments like 250s and 500s (which he is almost sure to steamroll).
And the list goes on and on.

The point is, Sinner is not just threatening Djokovic's records, but also those of Federer and Nadal. The Big 3 are all under the threat of having their spotlight in history books overtaken by Sinner.

And above all else, here is arguably THE most significant reason why the legacy of Fedal is under threat if Sinner ends up breaking their records: Sinner and Fedal never had to face each other in their primes.
Not even close.
Federer never played a single match against Sinner. And Nadal only played three times against Sinner, but all those matches took place during 2020-2021 (when Sinner was FAR from his prime).
This can really strengthen the argument by Sinner fans that "prime Sinner played at a far higher level than prime Fedal."
It's basically No Limits Fallacy. If prime Fedal have never demonstrated how well they would do against prime Sinner, but if Sinner ends up with better statistics than Fedal, then the only entirely objective way we can compare prime Sinner's level to that of prime Fedal would be to simply compare their dominance in their best tennis seasons – which are measured by statistics. We will never have any data of Sinner's matches against prime Fedal.

Now, this is very different in the case of Djokovic, because even though he did end up statistically surpassing Fedal in the majority of the significant metrics, it is nearly impossible for his fans to reasonably argue that he played at a "far higher level" than prime Fedal – because the Big 3 all played each other in real life countless times and their primes have overlapped in one way or the other. For instance, Djokovic played prime/peak Federer many times and lost much more often than he won. And when Djokovic was in his prime while Federer was well past his, Federer still pushed him to very close matches and sometimes defeated him, even convincingly at times. There is therefore a very strong argument that Federer peaked higher than Djokovic. This is not hypothetical at all. We have those matches in history.
But what about if we were to compare prime Sinner to prime Federer? Oh wait, we can't, because their primes were never remotely close to overlapping. So that gives Sinner fans the luxury to argue all they want that Sinner's prime level is far higher than Federer's, and there really is no objective way for Fedfans to argue against it.
And if Sinner really does end up breaking Fedal's records, there won't be anything stopping him from being unanimously considered better than Fedal. "Matches played against prime Fedal" can never be used against him, unlike Djokovic's case.
Sinner fans have the ultimate No Limits Fallacy card.

Unfortunately, you guys are not helping your idols' legacy at all by siding with Sinner.
If anything, you are only weakening it.
Wait a second.
One guy is 38 and has 24 slams.
The other guy is 24 and has four slams.

Those are big gaps, and that is a lot of time for crazy, unpredictable, disadvantageous things (e.g. injuries, bans, boredom, accidents, girlfriends, pandemics, etecetera) to happen.

Let’s just wait and see.
 
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He has 24 slams (just to name one of his records). In what world is Sinner very likely to win 25 slams?
If the era stays like this and sinner/Alcaraz stay healthy they will go close I feel.

That said I feel things will change at somepoint you imagine. They are clearly head and shoulders above rest now so need to make hay while the sun shines.

I still bet against it because they so far back but a lot depends on their competition and on their health in next 6-8 years. It possible they do it.
 
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why is Djokovic is not able to win against Sinner now ?
Sinner is better now. I admit that. Let’s see if he can keep it up for several years though to take the records. He will need to keep beating rivals younger than him to do this as well as Alcaraz right now.

It will be interesting to see how his career goes and what heights him and Alcaraz reach.
 
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Like the title says, it makes no sense to me why so many Fedal fans suddenly turned into Sinner fans.

I get that you guys are delighted about the rise of a young ATG who can finally routinely beat Djokovic to prevent the Serb from winning more Slams and accumulating more weeks at #1.
And to be honest, given his progress and his level relative to the field so far, it seems very likely that he will eventually break all of Djokovic's statistical records. Sounds great to you Fedal fans, right? After years of seeing Djokovic defeat your idols in the biggest matches many times and even take away their most precious records, it feels justified to want to see Djokovic get the taste of his own medicine. I get it.

But then, you should also consider: what if Sinner ends up breaking nearly all of Federer's and Nadal's records too?
The only significant record that I do not see him breaking is Nadal's RG title record (although to be fair, anything related to clay has never been what really bothered Nadal fans over the years).
Other than that, all the other major Fedal records seems to be well within reach.
8 Wimbledon titles? Seems quite doable.
5 USO titles? Even more doable and Sinner may even break Bill Tilden's all-time title record at the USO.
237 consecutive weeks at #1? This one is definitely the toughest, but given that the only one in the world so far who can challenge Sinner is Alcaraz, whose level is surprisingly prone to fluctuating, I would not count on Alcaraz stealing the #1 spot from Sinner anytime soon unless the latter suffers MAJOR illnesses or injuries (which is unlikely, given his access to top-notch physiotherapists and medical staff).
6 ATP Finals? Seems to be the easiest of them all by far, as even Alcaraz is hardly a threat to Sinner on indoor HC.
103 ATP titles? If Sinner maintains his current winning rate over the next 10 years, he might pass 103 ATP titles comfortably, especially if he is motivated enough to play more additional smaller tournaments like 250s and 500s (which he is almost sure to steamroll).
And the list goes on and on.

The point is, Sinner is not just threatening Djokovic's records, but also those of Federer and Nadal. The Big 3 are all under the threat of having their spotlight in history books overtaken by Sinner.

And above all else, here is arguably THE most significant reason why the legacy of Fedal is under threat if Sinner ends up breaking their records: Sinner and Fedal never had to face each other in their primes.
Not even close.
Federer never played a single match against Sinner. And Nadal only played three times against Sinner, but all those matches took place during 2020-2021 (when Sinner was FAR from his prime).
This can really strengthen the argument by Sinner fans that "prime Sinner played at a far higher level than prime Fedal."
It's basically No Limits Fallacy. If prime Fedal have never demonstrated how well they would do against prime Sinner, but if Sinner ends up with better statistics than Fedal, then the only entirely objective way we can compare prime Sinner's level to that of prime Fedal would be to simply compare their dominance in their best tennis seasons – which are measured by statistics. We will never have any data of Sinner's matches against prime Fedal.

Now, this is very different in the case of Djokovic, because even though he did end up statistically surpassing Fedal in the majority of the significant metrics, it is nearly impossible for his fans to reasonably argue that he played at a "far higher level" than prime Fedal – because the Big 3 all played each other in real life countless times and their primes have overlapped in one way or the other. For instance, Djokovic played prime/peak Federer many times and lost much more often than he won. And when Djokovic was in his prime while Federer was well past his, Federer still pushed him to very close matches and sometimes defeated him, even convincingly at times. There is therefore a very strong argument that Federer peaked higher than Djokovic. This is not hypothetical at all. We have those matches in history.
But what about if we were to compare prime Sinner to prime Federer? Oh wait, we can't, because their primes were never remotely close to overlapping. So that gives Sinner fans the luxury to argue all they want that Sinner's prime level is far higher than Federer's, and there really is no objective way for Fedfans to argue against it.
And if Sinner really does end up breaking Fedal's records, there won't be anything stopping him from being unanimously considered better than Fedal. "Matches played against prime Fedal" can never be used against him, unlike Djokovic's case.
Sinner fans have the ultimate No Limits Fallacy card.

Unfortunately, you guys are not helping your idols' legacy at all by siding with Sinner.
If anything, you are only weakening it.
Bro, I've never seen someone so consumed with Fedal fans. You way overthought it. People like Sinner and he's a great player. That's all there is to it. Stop overthinking it.
 
I agree, their games are too different. Logic dictates that a Federer fan (such as myself) should naturally become an Alcaraz fan. He has the flair and creative shotmaking ability.
 
why is Djokovic is not able to win against Sinner now ?
Did you even check their birth years? There are two whole tennis generations between them, 14 years! What separated Federer and Djokovic, a mere 6 years!

If the separation between Djokovic and Sinner were half, 7 years, Djokovic would make inroads!
 
Did you even check their birth years? There are two whole tennis generations between them, 14 years! What separated Federer and Djokovic, a mere 6 years!

If the separation between Djokovic and Sinner were half, 7 years, Djokovic would get absolutely pummeled every time and would win far less Grand Slam titles!
Fixed it for you
 
It's almost like fans choose players based on who they like, and not how it affects some glory hunting equation.

As a Fed fan, life went on after Djokovic broke some of Fed's most important records. I won't root for Sinner to win 5-6 USOs, but I'm not scared of it either. If it happens, it happens. I'm not a Sinner fan, but it certainly isn't out of any fear about potentially breaking Federer records in like 2033.

And if he can break the consecutive #1 record while sharing the scene with Alcaraz then more power to him. But it's hard to see that happening, I expect Alcaraz to reclaim #1 by the end of the year, so Sinner would have to start an entirely new streak from scratch.
 
Did you even check their birth years? There are two whole tennis generations between them, 14 years! What separated Federer and Djokovic, a mere 6 years!

If the separation between Djokovic and Sinner were half, 7 years, Djokovic would make inroads!
Excuses .
 
I always like records to be broken . And it is not like 2018-23, where there is one player and no competition.

With such a beautiful rivalry and where tennis is being taken to new levels , I am all for Sinneraz to demolish all records , does not matter if it is Djokovic’s or Fedal’s

I don't think there will be another career inflation era when the entire players born in one decade managed to win only 2 slams. The chances of having another CIE in another century is extremely remote. But who knows, lightning can strike twice !
 
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