It saddens me to no limit that

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
I bet it didn't "sadden you to no limit" that Nadal had no threats at Roland Garros for well over a decade
Nadal is just too good for anyone on clay BO5 when in good form, put Djokovic-federer-guga-borg all in succession and it won't matter.
But Djokovic isn't even that good at Wimbledon and AO and is still winning it. 2019 wim, 2020 & 2021 ao were Lowest quality tennis displays by him and he yet won because of no young competition, gentleman.

The only time rafa won RG despite not playing god alike, is 2011.
 
I bet it didn't "sadden you to no limit" that Nadal had no threats at Roland Garros for well over a decade
Fedovic never counted now, lol.
Basically, until 2017 Nadal couldn't play mediocre and routinely get away with it. Fedovic required him to maintain a fairly high level and he obliged. Yes I mean mediocre by general slam-winning standard like 2019 WB, not like 2011 RG which was only mediocre by Nadal's own standards. Now Djokovic probably doesn't even need to be at the 2019 final level since only oldies know how to grass and they are all heavily declined themselves. Expecting him to sleepwalk to any amount of titles as long as he remains motivated and uninjured.
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
We will know Roger's level only after 1R match. Still his fitness level will always be a suspect. So I think players like Berrettini, Cilic, Zverev should be bigger threats than Federer. But if Roger brings his best form - there is no doubt he is second best grass Court player even at 40. But he has to win 6 Bo5 matches to make it to Djokovic - which will tough for him.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Nadal is just too good for anyone on clay BO5 when in good form, put Djokovic-federer-guga-borg all in succession and it won't matter.
But Djokovic isn't even that good at Wimbledon and AO and is still winning it. 2019 wim, 2020 & 2021 ao were Lowest quality tennis displays by him and he yet won because of no young competition, gentleman.

The only time rafa won RG despite not playing god alike, is 2011.
In fairness, Rafa did dominate RG in 2017-2020 because of lack of competition. Don't think he was too good like when he was younger.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
We will know Roger's level only after 1R match. Still his fitness level will always be a suspect. So I think players like Berrettini, Cilic, Zverev should be bigger threats than Federer. But if Roger brings his best form - there is no doubt he is second best grass Court player even at 40. But he has to win 6 Bo5 matches to make it to Djokovic - which will tough for him.
First round won't tell us anything.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
In fairness, Rafa did dominate RG in 2017-2020 because of lack of competition. Don't think he was too good like when he was younger.
I thought RG 2020 was the Djokovic Open....

Wait, I thought Thiem was an ATG, but unlucky....

I guess Novak's not a GOAT candidate, since he didn't provide any competition.....
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I thought RG 2020 was the Djokovic Open....

Wait, I thought Thiem was an ATG, but unlucky....

I guess Novak's not a GOAT candidate, since he didn't provide any competition.....
Novak played such a lousy final last year. He clearly didn't provide the competition needed to push Rafa.

This year he didn't falter and Rafa ran out of gas first.
 

Jai

Professional
I thought RG 2020 was the Djokovic Open....

Wait, I thought Thiem was an ATG, but unlucky....

I guess Novak's not a GOAT candidate, since he didn't provide any competition.....
Nice try :) by that logic, Rafa didn't provide any competition to Novak in AO '19 final, though ofc he was expected to. Taking one match to determine a whole career worth of achievement is.....shall we say, plainly reductive?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Old man roger is still the one and only big threat to Nole's Wimbledon triumph this year, despite several factors making him almost a non-factor. Other than him, there's no one in hindsight to stop nole on grass.

Dark times for tennis indeed.
Competition on grass has been terrible for quite some time.

It probably hit rock bottom in 2016 or thereabouts.
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Well the tour is big a brawny on hard courts and need to work on the lithe and limber grass game.
But whatever it does not matter anyway.
 
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Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Old man roger is still the one and only big threat to Nole's Wimbledon triumph this year, despite several factors making him almost a non-factor. Other than him, there's no one in hindsight to stop nole on grass.

Dark times for tennis indeed.
Tsitsipas nearly beat Djoker at RG and is looking to raise his game on grass where his big serve will be even more effective. He is a much bigger threat to Djoker than Fed.
 

3loudboys

Legend
Novak can only beat what’s in front of him and he’s done it time and again. To suggest that his achievements are somehow easier than Fedal is unfair. He’s not my fave but I appreciate his incredible performances. Double career slam with more slams to come.

Not his fault that there aren’t any good grass courters out there and he’ll take full advantage of it as would anyone.
 
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Street

Semi-Pro
Old man roger is still the one and only big threat to Nole's Wimbledon triumph this year, despite several factors making him almost a non-factor. Other than him, there's no one in hindsight to stop nole on grass.

Dark times for tennis indeed.
Man, people really think Federer is a threat to Djokovic, have you seen their matches this year? One is much better than the other right now.
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Not enough people have seen pro's play live. Can't appreciate skills of non-favourite players
I think you are on to something.
I learned from a former pro who got to the us open.
Surrounded by better players than I was who played the game.
Try returning a pros serve.
Also they would school me when i thought a player was awesome and invincible.
Totally break down their games.
Like you said go to the US Open and other tournaments too.
Just always loved the game since i was prob 5.
 

MrFlip

Professional
I think you are on to something.
I learned from a former pro who got to the us open.
Surrounded by better players than I was who played the game.
Try returning a pros serve.
Also they would school me when i thought a player was awesome and invincible.
Totally break down their games.
Like you said go to the US Open and other tournaments too.
Just always loved the game since i was prob 5.
Idolising players also creates an inflated and unfounded sense of ability

Tournament hasn't even begun and they're writing off everyone but Djok and Fed
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
Old man roger is still the one and only big threat to Nole's Wimbledon triumph this year, despite several factors making him almost a non-factor. Other than him, there's no one in hindsight to stop nole on grass.

Dark times for tennis indeed.
Too bad Rafa is just not good enough to compete.
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Nadal is just too good for anyone on clay BO5 when in good form, put Djokovic-federer-guga-borg all in succession and it won't matter.
But Djokovic isn't even that good at Wimbledon and AO and is still winning it. 2019 wim, 2020 & 2021 ao were Lowest quality tennis displays by him and he yet won because of no young competition, gentleman.

The only time rafa won RG despite not playing god alike, is 2011.
Not sure how to respond to this.
If nadal had to face all those players in a row even nadal would fall.
He is not the best at facing multiple mega players in a row.
1 or 2 he is a killer. Even 2 requires much effort.
 

3loudboys

Legend
My son saw Berrettini at the final of Queens and was amazed at how hard he hit the ball. He didn’t think it was hugely entertaining but certainly effective. He may go deep at Wimby.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Were you saying this when Federer was hoovering up freebie NID slams facing Bagdhatis, Gonzalez, Kiefer, Philippousis, Roddick?

Djokovic projected SF/F is Tsitsipas-Zverev. Not easy by any stretch, but we will see how the draw plays out.
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
The only time rafa won RG despite not playing god alike, is 2011.
2018-2020 were all worse and by some margin.

2011 only looked like that because of lighter balls enabling Isner and Fed to take it to Nadal. In reality 2011 it's only below his best runs and ahead of many others.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Nadal is just too good for anyone on clay BO5 when in good form, put Djokovic-federer-guga-borg all in succession and it won't matter.
But Djokovic isn't even that good at Wimbledon and AO and is still winning it. 2019 wim, 2020 & 2021 ao were Lowest quality tennis displays by him and he yet won because of no young competition, gentleman.

The only time rafa won RG despite not playing god alike, is 2011.
:censored:
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
Man, people really think Federer is a threat to Djokovic, have you seen their matches this year? One is much better than the other right now.
And that's the biggest thing bugging me, the grass field is so so so weak that still only federer stands as somewhat of a competition, none of the young guys have any chance, gentleman.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
2018-2020 were all worse and by some margin.

2011 only looked like that because of lighter balls enabling Isner and Fed to take it to Nadal. In reality 2011 it's only below his best runs and ahead of many others.
2018 was one of the best displays of controlled agression and defence.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
*Compared to nadal at RG.

Djokovic required extreme levels of luck & opponents messing up huge leads & chances to win his last 4 slams, very subpar level apart from a couple of displays of utterly Brilliant tennis. Last time Djokovic deservedly won a slam playing good tennis was AO2019, gentleman.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
Last time Federer was a threat, it was in 2019. Since his injury he’s a threat to no one. Even when/if he regains his fitness he will be a fit old man. I wish we could stop overhyping him and think in a rational way. Djokovic is not in a great shape himself. He needed two toilet breaks to win RG and god knows what he did during these breaks to regain his energy. Based on recent results I think the favorite should be someone new as long as there is no funny stuff in the toilets.
His level was upped for sure, but Musetti & Stefanos gave up for sure.
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
2018 was one of the best displays of controlled agression and defence.
I don't know what people look for when differentiating any of 2018-2020 RG runs from each other. And what's with you and the underrating of 2011-2014 Nadal on clay? It's almost like you do it on purpose.

We are talking about the Nadal that beat Soderling and a good Murray in straights, before taking on a red hot Federer and beating him in 4 sets with a breadstick.
 
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