It wont be a shock to me Djoko cant do what fedal does.

mistik

Hall of Fame
I mean turn back from injury problems and still turn back to no 1 and win slams. The most important shots off the game is service and forehand.He lacks in that department compare to Fedal. It still going to be very interesting to watch. Fed and Nadal forehands are legendary. Djokovic as great player as he is his forehand is a good shot not all that great.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I mean turn back from injury problems and still turn back to no 1 and win slams. The most important shots off the game is service and forehand.He lacks in that department compare to Fedal. It still going to be very interesting to watch. Fed and Nadal forehands are legendary. Djokovic as great player as he is his forehand is a good shot not all that great.
Djokovic doesn't lack in the service department compared to Nadal. He has the better serve and return, both are key to shortening points.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Novak certainly has it in him to make a remarkable comeback like Nadal and Federer have many times. His serve is pretty damn good and his bh is one of the greatest shots you'll ever see. His movement on HC is also incredible. Tennis elbow however is a VERY difficult injury to overcome. Only time will tell, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at the top.
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
Odds are he doesn't. Say it takes him four-to-five months to get into a flow. At that point, it will basically be two years since he has played good tennis. How many players in their 30s have ever returned to the top after a two year dropoff/layoff? Even with Fed and Nadal, a year ago, you would have bet against them doing what they have done, and Djoker's not Fed or Nadal. Just because they did it doesn't mean he will. He's not wired like they are.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
He lacks in service? Did you not watch tennis in 2015?
He isnt a Sampras Fed type of server. When players at the top their game sometimes everything can look great but that doesnt mean it is their natural weapon.Djokovic isnt big service big forehand guy.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Odds are he doesn't. Say it takes him four-to-five months to get into a flow. At that point, it will basically be two years since he has played good tennis. How many players in their 30s have ever returned to the top after a two year dropoff/layoff? Even with Fed and Nadal, a year ago, you would have bet against them doing what they have done, and Djoker's not Fed or Nadal. Just because they did it doesn't mean he will. He's not wired like they are.
You know ı am not saying he cant do it no chance to do it but it wont a big shock to me that he doesnt. His forehand isnt all that big.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Common sense to me. You would have bet against Fed and Nadal doing it as well.
Rafa always have his RG and Roger Wimbledon.I mean they are just too good on their surfaces. AO Djokovic pet slam is hardcourt slam which makes the things more difficult for him. I never sold on to the the idea that Djokovic is invincible in AO.
 

VolleyHelena

Semi-Pro
Rafa always have his RG and Roger Wimbledon.I mean they are just too good on their surfaces. AO Djokovic pet slam is hardcourt slam which makes the things more difficult for him. I never sold on to the the idea that Djokovic is invincible in AO.
He has won 5 out of last 7 Australian GS
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Rafa always have his RG and Roger Wimbledon.I mean they are just too good on their surfaces. AO Djokovic pet slam is hardcourt slam which makes the things more difficult for him. I never sold on to the the idea that Djokovic is invincible in AO.
He won 5/6 AOs in 2011-16, his only loss happening in an extended 5th set. No invincibility at all there.
 

Kalin

Legend
Novak needs to fix what's between his ears... the rest shouldn't be undoable.

His hug-the-line counterpunching style would have worked well against Rafa this USO... it works well pretty much vs anybody on any surface.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
He won 5/6 AOs in 2011-16, his only loss happening in an extended 5th set. No invincibility at all there.
Lets be clear Nadal declined too much he still won RG without losing a set and Fed also declined so much he still won Wimbledon without losing a set. Even in darkest moments Nadal fans always feel he has one more RG in him Fed fans feel one more Wimbledon.Djokovic in AO not the same thing.I dont think he cant it is just more complicated.
 

Sartorius

Hall of Fame
Odds are he doesn't. Say it takes him four-to-five months to get into a flow. At that point, it will basically be two years since he has played good tennis. How many players in their 30s have ever returned to the top after a two year dropoff/layoff? Even with Fed and Nadal, a year ago, you would have bet against them doing what they have done, and Djoker's not Fed or Nadal. Just because they did it doesn't mean he will. He's not wired like they are.
Yep. AO in particular, you can almost call it a fluke of some sorts, even for Fed. I think Fed himself has said so at one point. So AO may actually be Nole' best venue, but I would be surprised if he pulls off something similar there. Perhaps with a good draw. As the year goes on it will be more telling where he's going to end up.

The crucial thing here is that Federer and Nadal's base level (or indeed how they are "wired") are higher than anyone else's. Add that the determination and professionalism, it's probably easier for them to get on a roll.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Lets be clear Nadal declined too much he still won RG without losing a set and Fed also declined so much he still won Wimbledon without losing a set. Even in darkest moments Nadal fans always feel he has one more RG in him Fed fans feel one more Wimbledon.Djokovic in AO not the same thing.I dont think he cant it is just more complicated.
Djokovic peaked later and also declined after Fed and Rafa did so we still need to see how he does in his 30s, he's just beginning to experience the slump that they went through a while ago. The reason it's going to be more complicated is because competition on hard courts is better than on clay and grass, not because Novak at his favorite tournament or in general is inferior to his two great rivals.
 

Pyrolysis

Rookie
Novak certainly has it in him to make a remarkable comeback like Nadal and Federer have many times. His serve is pretty damn good and his bh is one of the greatest shots you'll ever see. His movement on HC is also incredible. Tennis elbow however is a VERY difficult injury to overcome. Only time will tell, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at the top.
I don't think TE is the same as a bone bruise, although based on my own experiences with TE your analysis of that condition is correct.
 

TheAverageFedererFan

Professional
I believe he should be able to win 1 more Aussie Open and 1 More US Open. And another WTF and some masters at Indian Wells, Miami, Canada, Shanghai, Paris.
So from next year and beyond this is how he ends his career.
7 Australian Open
1 French Open
3 Wimbledon
3 US Opens
6 World Tour Finals Titles
37 Masters (1 More at Indian Wells, Canada, Shanghai, 2 More at Miami and Paris)
 

DerekNoleFam1

Hall of Fame
Djokovic peaked later and also declined after Fed and Rafa did so we still need to see how he does in his 30s, he's just beginning to experience the slump that they went through a while ago. The reason it's going to be more complicated is because competition on hard courts is better than on clay and grass, not because Novak at his favorite tournament or in general is inferior to his two great rivals.
This.
But Novak also has 3 Wimbledon's and an RG, he is just as capable of pulling off a Channel Slam as another hard court slam.
In saying that, even the most hardcore Novak fans are not expecting miracles next year.
He has to come back ultra-motivated, and watching Fedal clean up the slams this year one would think should be more than enough, to really get back to the top of the game again.
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
He has to come back ultra-motivated, and watching Fedal clean up the slams this year one would think should be more than enough, to really get back to the top of the game again.
He was still on the court while most of it was going on. If watching Fed and Nadal dominate lit some sort of a fire under Djoker, I certainly didn't notice it. When you look at the Thiem RG match, I would say it was quite the opposite. Mentally, he checked out.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
novak lacks in the serve department compared to nadal? lol. in any case there is a point to OP's statement, even if I think the reasoning is off. Novak is just as capable of, imo, doing what fedal did. He might not go on the same winning stream but i believe he is full capable of winning tournaments and even slams. The only difference is what novak would have to compete with. Novak wasn't the only player who was injured this year. Murray was not a contender and neither was stan really the 2nd half of the year. I assume both will be healthy. One has to take into account that fedal will also be determined to be as healthy as they can be at the start of next year having learned from this year. Add to that the progress, albeit slowly" that next gen/lost gen have made this year, I'm sure they will want to continue and add to it. I'm sure zverev will be looking to improve upon his results and same for all the others. There are a lot of factors to take into consideration.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
He was still on the court while most of it was going on. If watching Fed and Nadal dominate lit some sort of a fire under Djoker, I certainly didn't notice it. When you look at the Thiem RG match, I would say it was quite the opposite. Mentally, he checked out.
its probably difficult to feel motivated while you are still in a certain head space that novak probably was while he was still playing. being removed from it will probably add another layer of motivation
 

Rago

Hall of Fame
The reason it's going to be more complicated is because competition on hard courts is better than on clay and grass, not because Novak at his favorite tournament or in general is inferior to his two great rivals.
Man, those US Open finals losses are starting to hurt; he could have easily had 4/5 titles by now. That might end up proving costly in the slam race but oh well just got to let it go I guess. :(
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Man, those US Open finals losses are starting to hurt; he could have easily had 4/5 titles by now. That might end up proving costly in the slam race but oh well just got to let it go I guess. :(
He could have also been the one to vulture this year's joke of a tournament if he was fully fit. But I think he will win a 3rd eventually.
 

titoelcolombiano

Hall of Fame
Djoker is an all time great so I can see him playing well and contending for slams until the age of 34, maybe 35. Since 2008 he has averaged 1.1 slams per year and since 2011 he has averaged 1.5 slams per year. As he ages it is normal he won't be as completely dominant as 2011 so I think it is reasonable to assume he is capable of averaging 1 slam a year for the next 5 years. I think Djoker finishing on 17 would be fitting considering his career - he has been amazing.
 

upchuck

Professional
Odds are he doesn't. Say it takes him four-to-five months to get into a flow. At that point, it will basically be two years since he has played good tennis. How many players in their 30s have ever returned to the top after a two year dropoff/layoff? Even with Fed and Nadal, a year ago, you would have bet against them doing what they have done, and Djoker's not Fed or Nadal. Just because they did it doesn't mean he will. He's not wired like they are.
According to who and what?
 

vex

Hall of Fame
I mean turn back from injury problems and still turn back to no 1 and win slams. The most important shots off the game is service and forehand.He lacks in that department compare to Fedal. It still going to be very interesting to watch. Fed and Nadal forehands are legendary. Djokovic as great player as he is his forehand is a good shot not all that great.
Honestly I think Djoker is at home watching the end of 2017 just throwing remotes thru his tv, bringing in a new tv and promptly throwing another remote thru it. I think he'll come roaring back. He tends to be driven by slights and emotions.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Djokovic as great player as he is his forehand is a good shot not all that great.
Djoker has strengths that neither Roger or Rafa have and he's beaten them both on the biggest stages of the sport. I personally think he's mentally fried and will never again reach his form of 2011 or 2015. But I've been wrong plenty of times!
 
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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Djoko has already done something Fedal have never been able to do : holding all 4 slams at once. He doesn't have anything to prove.
 

MugOpponent

Hall of Fame
Have we learned nothing?
Rafa and Roger have made everyone look like fools. I would say their obstacles seemed a lot more daunting than what Djokovic will be returning from.

Djokovic was getting it together mentally prior to Wimbledon. There's no doubt that if his body didn't fail him, he would have defeated Berdych. Fed would have likely won the SF but would it really have been that surprising if Djoker pulled it off or pushed Roger to five sets?

I suspect the Djoker will get a slam next year but it might not be the AO. I think he will win one of Wimbledon or US Open.
 

iChen

Semi-Pro
Djoker has strengths that neither Roger or Rafa have and he's beaten them both on the biggest stages of the sport. I personally think he's mentally fried and will never again reach his form of 2011 or 2015. But I've been wrong plenty of times!
I don't know about fried but clearly mental issues or personal life is an issue for him. When it's right, he's clearly incredible. But it seems he can't keep the right mentality or really get the right mentality going into a match sometimes.
 
I mean turn back from injury problems and still turn back to no 1 and win slams. The most important shots off the game is service and forehand.He lacks in that department compare to Fedal. It still going to be very interesting to watch. Fed and Nadal forehands are legendary. Djokovic as great player as he is his forehand is a good shot not all that great.
Clearly you forget that Djokovic recently won all 4 slams in a row! He more than anyone can come back and win more. Just like fed and rafa
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Djoker has strengths that neither Roger or Rafa have and he's beaten them both on the biggest stages of the sport. I personally think he's mentally fried and will never again reach his form of 2011 or 2015. But I've been wrong plenty of times!
Yup, even during 2015 I noticed he wasn't carrying the stress well match to match. The expectation to win, to never lose. He crashed hard after completing the career slam. If he doesn't get his mind right and come back completely obsessed and focused with being the best he can be, he'll struggle.
 
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